OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[Bulls69]

The democrats had some strong debaters on stage with Biden, and everyone kept expecting Biden to lose ground when he had to debate. But it didn't really happen. All he had to do was not completely fall on his face, and he managed to do that in all the democrats debates, for the most part. I expect it will be the same with Trump- Trump will try to use his name calling and his bullying tactics, and Biden will just let them roll off, or he'll respond and give it back. Either way, I think Biden will hold his own, and Trump is just going to look like the bellicose idiot that he is.

Plus, this time around Trump has to run on his record these past 3 years, and that's not going to be in his favor- 1) being impeached, 2) doing a terrible job with the pandemic, and 3) seeing the economy shed 20 million jobs or so.

trump is not capable of "clowning" anybody in a debate

"when his show didn't get an emmy, he claimed the emmys were rigged" - clinton
"should've gotten it" - trump

"putin, from what i see, has no respect for hillary"
"that's because he would rather have a puppet as president"
"i'm not a puppet. you're the puppet"

"i think my strongest asset by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament"

"under a president clinton we will have a 2nd amendment that is a small replica of what it is today"

"i know nothing about russia"

"you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life" - trump to clinton

donald trump the debater

He mucks it up so that it's impossible for the other party to win. That's his super talent. He's going to muck it up against biden and biden is going to forget what's going on.

You must be a Bernie supporter I would Biden over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We have a sitting President basically given up on a deadly virus only carrying about winning an a election.

[dice]

9 out of the first 10 people made aware of this likely knew it was a huge mistake, but there is no way in hell they were going to put their job on the line by pointing out that it was even a slight possibility.
Then they went home to talk to their spouse.

"holy crap, nascar is all over the news, whats the story on the noose?"
"(unplugs alexa) "don't repeat this to anyone, but it was just a piece of string"
"seriously? what did you say?"
"nothing, absolutely nothing, Its a bad time to be unemployed"
"so what did you do"
"I did what I was told, and called the FBI"

This is almost certainly what happened.

The evidence has become overwhelming that we are in a full throat moral panic. Riots, tearing down statutes, firing/cancelling people for utterly benign behavior, attempting to find racism in every single nook and cranny of human life, advocating absolutely insane policies like eliminating police, etc. The radical left is in the process of completely overtaking the democratic party, and I can't help but notice that it has become a cult-like movement with no toleration for even the most minimal of dissent.

I'm hoping moderate liberals can push back on this insanity, but it seems like a lost cause at this point.

when people advocate for defunding police, it is rarely a call for eliminating police. 'cause if people wanted to eliminate police departments, they'd say something like, i dunno..."we should eliminate police departments"

the tearing down of racist statues is 100% justified and long, LONG overdue

you continue to grossly exaggerate the part in bold in a transparent attempt to avoid dealing with a complicated issue

and if the democratic party was a cult, there would not be such disparate major presidential candidates as we saw this year. use yer noggin

and everybody, including NASCAR and the FBI, characterized it as a noose. learn something. completely measured individual:

Watch on YouTube

[dice]

trump is not capable of "clowning" anybody in a debate

"when his show didn't get an emmy, he claimed the emmys were rigged" - clinton
"should've gotten it" - trump

"putin, from what i see, has no respect for hillary"
"that's because he would rather have a puppet as president"
"i'm not a puppet. you're the puppet"

"i think my strongest asset by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament"

"under a president clinton we will have a 2nd amendment that is a small replica of what it is today"

"i know nothing about russia"

"you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life" - trump to clinton

donald trump the debater

He mucks it up so that it's impossible for the other party to win. That's his super talent. He's going to muck it up against biden and biden is going to forget what's going on.

You must be a Bernie supporter I would Biden over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We have a sitting President basically given up on a deadly virus only carrying about winning an a election.

and for those on both the right wing and the far left who keep trying to diagnose biden as senile by cherry picking times when he mangles his words (not nearly sufficient for such a diagnosis, as evidenced by dubya doing it a lot when he was president), here's an interview from last week. not a hint of senility. and his handlers sure as hell wouldn't let him sit down for a 20 minute interview right now if they didn't think he was all there:

Watch on YouTube

[MGB8]

They don't retest everyday after your initial positive in the hospital, there's still a short supply of PCR tests nationwide and it would be a huge waste to test every day a patient is admitted in the hospital, not to mention that it makes zero sense to test everyday when you already know he's covid positive.

They test you in the beginning, and if your positive and you have symptoms, they treat you until your symptoms go away. After your symptoms are gone and other tests return to normal, they will retest for covid in order to get discharged, and usually that test will be negative. Sometimes you still do get a positive result, in which case the patient might stick around for a bit longer under observation, but generally those tests will be negative. It's rare and a waste of supplies/reagents to get someone tested more than 4-5 times in one hospital stay.

SOURCE: I'm a lab specialist for a hospital.

That isn't the experience of folks I know who tested positive (some who had relatives who went to the hospital re the same spreading incident, some of whom didn't make it). NYC metro area.

It's possible that the folks you talked to were confusing other tests being given that had similar collection techniques (MRSA, flu, etc). It's possible as well that those patients were transfers, in which case some hospitals require a retest. Otherwise, there's no clinical significance in retesting after they've tested positive on a near daily basis until the patient's symptoms have subsided. I do know that nursing home patients need a double negative in order to be discharged, and there are some cases where patients continue to show positive even after all their symptoms have subsided for several days or even weeks. Those tend to be the exceptions rather than the rule.

From what I was told, the folks who tested positive but didn't have any serious symptoms got re-tested something like once a week, maybe a little less than that, in large part because they were largely self-isolating from other family members in the house and needed to know when to stop. I think they also did the two negatives to clear thing.

The folks who went to the hospital, well the one who was very quickly in bad shape and didn't make it, I don't know his testing regimen (note, I know several people who passed from CV-19 either directly or via other people, but only one from this incident - clarifying since my earlier post may have suggested more than one from this gathering, which was pre-lockdowns). The other who I was told about, at least as reported to me, was tested every 2 or 3 days until she cleared and got sent home. Both were older, the man with additional pre-existings...

Granted, I could be mis-remembering (though I don't think so) or they could have been confused (but also don't think so).

[Ccwatercraft]

That isn't the experience of folks I know who tested positive (some who had relatives who went to the hospital re the same spreading incident, some of whom didn't make it). NYC metro area.

It's possible that the folks you talked to were confusing other tests being given that had similar collection techniques (MRSA, flu, etc). It's possible as well that those patients were transfers, in which case some hospitals require a retest. Otherwise, there's no clinical significance in retesting after they've tested positive on a near daily basis until the patient's symptoms have subsided. I do know that nursing home patients need a double negative in order to be discharged, and there are some cases where patients continue to show positive even after all their symptoms have subsided for several days or even weeks. Those tend to be the exceptions rather than the rule.

From what I was told, the folks who tested positive but didn't have any serious symptoms got re-tested something like once a week, maybe a little less than that, in large part because they were largely self-isolating from other family members in the house and needed to know when to stop. I think they also did the two negatives to clear thing.

The folks who went to the hospital, well the one who was very quickly in bad shape and didn't make it, I don't know his testing regimen (note, I know several people who passed from CV-19 either directly or via other people, but only one from this incident - clarifying since my earlier post may have suggested more than one from this gathering, which was pre-lockdowns). The other who I was told about, at least as reported to me, was tested every 2 or 3 days until she cleared and got sent home. Both were older, the man with additional pre-existings...

Granted, I could be mis-remembering (though I don't think so) or they could have been confused (but also don't think so).

I think all of us would agree that there is a tremendous amount of inconsistency regarding facts about testing , hospitalizations and deaths. This is an issue locally, statewide, and with countries, so whatever, who cares about
+ or - 200 cases in a region, it really means nothing.

hospitalizations and deaths are there in serious numbers, so any minor tweaks dont reduce the big picture.

Setting political spin aside that tends to muddy the waters, it should be expected to have consistencies and even if you add or delete percentages either way it's still obvious that we're dealing with a dangerous situation. Most of us have gone from paranoid to relaxed and back to paranoid twice already.

I found it surprisingly difficult to find accurate and current hospitalization figures for my city/county aside from random articles that usually just give %'s not numbers. Limited hospital data for sure, but case/death counts are updated every 12 hours or so. There is a massive window in between there that is very difficult to track.

[musiqsoulchild]

It's possible that the folks you talked to were confusing other tests being given that had similar collection techniques (MRSA, flu, etc). It's possible as well that those patients were transfers, in which case some hospitals require a retest. Otherwise, there's no clinical significance in retesting after they've tested positive on a near daily basis until the patient's symptoms have subsided. I do know that nursing home patients need a double negative in order to be discharged, and there are some cases where patients continue to show positive even after all their symptoms have subsided for several days or even weeks. Those tend to be the exceptions rather than the rule.

From what I was told, the folks who tested positive but didn't have any serious symptoms got re-tested something like once a week, maybe a little less than that, in large part because they were largely self-isolating from other family members in the house and needed to know when to stop. I think they also did the two negatives to clear thing.

The folks who went to the hospital, well the one who was very quickly in bad shape and didn't make it, I don't know his testing regimen (note, I know several people who passed from CV-19 either directly or via other people, but only one from this incident - clarifying since my earlier post may have suggested more than one from this gathering, which was pre-lockdowns). The other who I was told about, at least as reported to me, was tested every 2 or 3 days until she cleared and got sent home. Both were older, the man with additional pre-existings...

Granted, I could be mis-remembering (though I don't think so) or they could have been confused (but also don't think so).

I think all of us would agree that there is a tremendous amount of inconsistency regarding facts about testing , hospitalizations and deaths. This is an issue locally, statewide, and with countries, so whatever, who cares about
+ or - 200 cases in a region, it really means nothing.

hospitalizations and deaths are there in serious numbers, so any minor tweaks dont reduce the big picture.

Setting political spin aside that tends to muddy the waters, it should be expected to have consistencies and even if you add or delete percentages either way it's still obvious that we're dealing with a dangerous situation. Most of us have gone from paranoid to relaxed and back to paranoid twice already.

I found it surprisingly difficult to find accurate and current hospitalization figures for my city/county aside from random articles that usually just give %'s not numbers. Limited hospital data for sure, but case/death counts are updated every 12 hours or so. There is a massive window in between there that is very difficult to track.

Then why not just wear a mask? I genuinely want to know why there are many people who make it a political thing

[Ccwatercraft]

From what I was told, the folks who tested positive but didn't have any serious symptoms got re-tested something like once a week, maybe a little less than that, in large part because they were largely self-isolating from other family members in the house and needed to know when to stop. I think they also did the two negatives to clear thing.

The folks who went to the hospital, well the one who was very quickly in bad shape and didn't make it, I don't know his testing regimen (note, I know several people who passed from CV-19 either directly or via other people, but only one from this incident - clarifying since my earlier post may have suggested more than one from this gathering, which was pre-lockdowns). The other who I was told about, at least as reported to me, was tested every 2 or 3 days until she cleared and got sent home. Both were older, the man with additional pre-existings...

Granted, I could be mis-remembering (though I don't think so) or they could have been confused (but also don't think so).

I think all of us would agree that there is a tremendous amount of inconsistency regarding facts about testing , hospitalizations and deaths. This is an issue locally, statewide, and with countries, so whatever, who cares about
+ or - 200 cases in a region, it really means nothing.

hospitalizations and deaths are there in serious numbers, so any minor tweaks dont reduce the big picture.

Setting political spin aside that tends to muddy the waters, it should be expected to have consistencies and even if you add or delete percentages either way it's still obvious that we're dealing with a dangerous situation. Most of us have gone from paranoid to relaxed and back to paranoid twice already.

I found it surprisingly difficult to find accurate and current hospitalization figures for my city/county aside from random articles that usually just give %'s not numbers. Limited hospital data for sure, but case/death counts are updated every 12 hours or so. There is a massive window in between there that is very difficult to track.

Then why not just wear a mask? I genuinely want to know why there are many people who make it a political thing

I am, I didnt before but the numbers increased locally on case counts as mentioned, not dramatically but enough.

Some days we even have 2 deaths in my county but its rare. Usually 1 or 0. Out of the last dozen the youngest was 72, typically mid-latr 70s.

As far anything being political, no clue, you'll have to ask around I guess.

[moorhosj]

As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.

Got any data (or analysis) to back this up? Or picking one specific instance to reinforce your beliefs?

If we are going by anecdotes, this one includes 3 racist police officers, so rest easy as supply is still pretty strong.

Later, according to the investigation, Piner told Moore that he feels a civil war is coming and that he is ready. Piner said he was going to buy a new assault rifle, and soon “we are just going to go out and start slaughtering them (expletive)” Blacks. “I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.” Moore responded that he wouldn’t do that.

Piner then told Moore that he felt a civil war was needed to “wipe them off the (expletive) map. That’ll put them back about four or five generations.” Moore told Piner he was “crazy,” and the recording stopped a short time later

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article243779512.html

[PrimzyBulls81]

yeah, sure people vote for child molester and pedophile Biden! Or even better just get Tony and John Podesta up there too

[Dresden]

In the middle of a pandemic, when health experts are saying we still aren't testing enough, Trump has decided to pull federal funding for 13 testing sties. I can't think of a better example than that to show how ill served we are by having this guy as our president.

[_txchilibowl_]

:banghead: yeah, sure people vote for child molester and pedophile Biden! Or even better just get Tony and John Podesta up there too

Got any facts/sources to back up this disgusting claim?

[TheStig]

He mucks it up so that it's impossible for the other party to win. That's his super talent. He's going to muck it up against biden and biden is going to forget what's going on.

You must be a Bernie supporter I would Biden over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We have a sitting President basically given up on a deadly virus only carrying about winning an a election.

and for those on both the right wing and the far left who keep trying to diagnose biden as senile by cherry picking times when he mangles his words (not nearly sufficient for such a diagnosis, as evidenced by dubya doing it a lot when he was president), here's an interview from last week. not a hint of senility. and his handlers sure as hell wouldn't let him sit down for a 20 minute interview right now if they didn't think he was all there:

Watch on YouTube

Yes, we get it. Everyone but the mainstream democrats are the problem. We made Hillary lose, we defeated Al Gore in Florida (even though I would have voted for him), we personally created Mitch McConnell...... yada... yada.... yada. Has absolutely nothing to do with Joe Biden having 3 other presidential run failures or being the consumate image of the political machine we don't like. It's all out fault. Why would they do anything to reach out to us and earn our vote? You could just guilt and demand! Worked great in 2016. Vote Blue no matter who elected....... Donald Trump lol.

[TheStig]

:banghead: yeah, sure people vote for child molester and pedophile Biden! Or even better just get Tony and John Podesta up there too

Got any facts/sources to back up this disgusting claim?

I mean a lot of them are connected to Epstein. That's why that whole scandal is going quietly. 30 years ago, that scandal would have brought down major power structures. It wouldn't be buried.

[the ultimates]

Just because Sanders has an I in front of his name instead of a D doesn't mean he isn't part of the political machine. Nobody who has served as long as he has as a politician doesn't. Would I have preferred Sanders as the nominee yes but Joe is going to win and he clearly provides a better option than the current president.

What baffles my mind is how Sanders has become this political outsider and not with the political machine when he has voted with the democrats a lot on major issues. Some of the main pillars of his campaign such as universal healthcare, free tuition, and higher corporate taxes have at various times been mentioned and had bills drafted by the democratic party. This bills unfortunately never made it into law but Sanders isn't some maverick introducing new ideas and laws that democrats who are part of the 'political machine" haven't tried to get passed before.

[PrimzyBulls81]

:banghead: yeah, sure people vote for child molester and pedophile Biden! Or even better just get Tony and John Podesta up there too

Got any facts/sources to back up this disgusting claim?

wau,really? Type in Google or Youtube - Biden child molester and you will find bunch of videos of that freak touching and smelling kids like candy..

[moorhosj]

wau,really? Type in Google - Biden child molester and you will find bunch of videos of that freak touching and smelling kids like candy

So...you don't have any sources to back up your claim and you want us to do the work for you. Kinda proves how weak your claim is.

[PrimzyBulls81]

wau,really? Type in Google - Biden child molester and you will find bunch of videos of that freak touching and smelling kids like candy

So...you don't have any sources to back up your claim and you want us to do the work for you. Kinda proves how weak your claim is.

Oh im sorry, I didnt know you are soo busy, that you can only type here, not in google or youtube.
Grow up man and open your mind.

[Dresden]

You must be a Bernie supporter I would Biden over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We have a sitting President basically given up on a deadly virus only carrying about winning an a election.

and for those on both the right wing and the far left who keep trying to diagnose biden as senile by cherry picking times when he mangles his words (not nearly sufficient for such a diagnosis, as evidenced by dubya doing it a lot when he was president), here's an interview from last week. not a hint of senility. and his handlers sure as hell wouldn't let him sit down for a 20 minute interview right now if they didn't think he was all there:

Watch on YouTube

Yes, we get it. Everyone but the mainstream democrats are the problem. We made Hillary lose, we defeated Al Gore in Florida (even though I would have voted for him), we personally created Mitch McConnell...... yada... yada.... yada. Has absolutely nothing to do with Joe Biden having 3 other presidential run failures or being the consumate image of the political machine we don't like. It's all out fault. Why would they do anything to reach out to us and earn our vote? You could just guilt and demand! Worked great in 2016. Vote Blue no matter who elected....... Donald Trump lol.

I hear you on this. I'm a Bernie supporter, too, and my friends who are mainstream dems waste no opportunity to remind me over and over how the only reason Hillary lost was because Bernie supporters didn't get out to vote for her. And how Bernie supporters will be the reason Trump wins again, if that happens. No matter how inept the mainstream candidates are, no matter how badly they run their campaigns, no matter how many white, upper middle class surbanites decide to vote for Trump- it's still the fault of Bernie supporters.

Sometimes I like to ask them, "Ok, just tell me when I will be able to vote for someone who stands for what I believe in. If not this election, pick a future election, when I can finally vote for someone I can truly support. When will I be allowed to do that?" Because according to mainstream dems, the answer is "never"- there will always be a reason you have to support their candidate, and if you don't, it will be solely your fault we're stuck with 4 years of a schmuck like Trump or Bush.

[Dresden]

Just because Sanders has an I in front of his name instead of a D doesn't mean he isn't part of the political machine. Nobody who has served as long as he has as a politician doesn't. Would I have preferred Sanders as the nominee yes but Joe is going to win and he clearly provides a better option than the current president.

What baffles my mind is how Sanders has become this political outsider and not with the political machine when he has voted with the democrats a lot on major issues. Some of the main pillars of his campaign such as universal healthcare, free tuition, and higher corporate taxes have at various times been mentioned and had bills drafted by the democratic party. This bills unfortunately never made it into law but Sanders isn't some maverick introducing new ideas and laws that democrats who are part of the 'political machine" haven't tried to get passed before.

I don't think this is accurate. I would bet if you looked at his voting record, it is as far to the left as anyone in the Senate the past 12 years, or however long he's been in there. He was talking about universal healthcare long before it became mainstream. He's advocated for income redistribution before it became fashionable. Yes, other dems have supported these ideas as well, but Bernie has been consistently advocating for these very progressive goals across the board more than anyone else. He identifies as a socialist- if that's not an outsider, I don't know what is.

[Dresden]

:banghead: yeah, sure people vote for child molester and pedophile Biden! Or even better just get Tony and John Podesta up there too

Got any facts/sources to back up this disgusting claim?

wau,really? Type in Google or Youtube - Biden child molester and you will find bunch of videos of that freak touching and smelling kids like candy..

At least he's never talked about dating his own daughter. Or wondering out loud if her breasts are as big as her mothers'.