Bears 12.0

[NZB2323]

You might be right. But he wasn't actually good in his debut outside the fourth quarter...and I think it's more to do with the Bears blowing it.
We'll see!!

Agree with this.

I totally get how if you watched this game you were disappointed in Caleb. I don't get watching this game and thinking "boy that McCarthy kid is a stud". The Bears just collapsed on themselves in that game. McCarthy looked pretty awful most of the game, and the Bears complete ineptitude gave him enough chances to get a win.

Like if the Bears don't go for it on fourth down and kick the FG and then make the other FG they miss, then they win this game. I'd still think Caleb played bad and McCarthy also played bad.

Usually rookie QBs on the road in their first start are atrocious, and that includes HOF QBs. I’m not saying McCarthy is a stud, but what he did was impressive.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Him being bad for 3 quarters (in his first NFL start on the road ffs) is what makes his 4th quarter performance so impressive. This is a young kid that was telling his veteran sideline they were gonna win the entire game. Stay in there. After the pick six he was telling them he’s ok, stay in there. And so, they did. It’s not the 4th quarter performance, its an unshakable belief mentality that he fomented under duress at such a young age that he personally backed up in the clutch himself that is really something.

Seems a little bit like hyperbole lul. He's only played at football powerhouses. Nazareth is one of the best football schools in the state, then he played for that goofy IMG Academy then UMich. He kinda just seems like some guy to me, I don't know that he's had some real emotional story about overcoming adversity or whatever. Good high school player, good college player where he probably received a lot of good training...I don't actually get the appeal but your passion for him is kind of endearing. Like I said, I hope an Illinois guy does well! I just don't have any insight into his brain.

I think Josh Allen has a really great story on the other hand, definitely clawed his way to relevance. Kinda just played at some random high school, no D1 offers, had to work his way up from junior college. Russell Wilson and Jalen Hurts too. Arguably Lamar. Not super hyped coming out of college.

[fleet]

Him being bad for 3 quarters (in his first NFL start on the road ffs) is what makes his 4th quarter performance so impressive. This is a young kid that was telling his veteran sideline they were gonna win the entire game. Stay in there. After the pick six he was telling them he’s ok, stay in there. And so, they did. It’s not the 4th quarter performance, its an unshakable belief mentality that he fomented under duress at such a young age that he personally backed up in the clutch himself that is really something.

Seems a little bit like hyperbole lul. He's only played at football powerhouses. Nazareth is one of the best football schools in the state, then he played for that goofy IMG Academy then UMich. He kinda just seems like some guy to me, I don't know that he's had some real emotional story about overcoming adversity or whatever. Good high school player, good college player where he probably received a lot of good training...I don't actually get the appeal but your passion for him is kind of endearing. Like I said, I hope an Illinois guy does well! I just don't have any insight into his brain.

I think Josh Allen has a really great story on the other hand, definitely clawed his way to relevance. Kinda just played at some random high school, no D1 offers, had to work his way up from junior college. Russell Wilson and Jalen Hurts too. Arguably Lamar. Not super hyped coming out of college.

Referring to leading Vikings veterans on the sideline to stay up. And that they actually responded to him. He’s just a kid with no skins on the wall. It’s not easy

[dougthonus]

You might be right. But he wasn't actually good in his debut outside the fourth quarter...and I think it's more to do with the Bears blowing it.
We'll see!!

Agree with this.

I totally get how if you watched this game you were disappointed in Caleb. I don't get watching this game and thinking "boy that McCarthy kid is a stud". The Bears just collapsed on themselves in that game. McCarthy looked pretty awful most of the game, and the Bears complete ineptitude gave him enough chances to get a win.

Like if the Bears don't go for it on fourth down and kick the FG and then make the other FG they miss, then they win this game. I'd still think Caleb played bad and McCarthy also played bad.

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I mean I know he won the award, I don't know how you watch that game and think he deserved it. He threw for a pathetic 143 yards with a pick-6. He failed on 3 2pt conversion passing attempts, and the "good" was something like 5 total completions and 1 run in the 3 TD scores in the fourth quarter.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Referring to leading Vikings veterans on the sideline to stay up. And that they actually responded to him. He’s just a kid with no skins on the wall. It’s not easy

Fair

[molepharmer]

Ben J just finished his presser and he was not at all pleased with P Finley bringing up last week's kickoff, again [by my count it may have been at least the third time Finley has brought up the kickoff]. Finley asks many silly questions (IMHO) but that one struck a nerve with Ben and he pretty much was irritated by Finley and for the remainder of the presser.

Then somebody asked about TJ and if he was healthy, etc. Not sure what they expected, but in no way was Ben going to reveal if TJ would be able to play on Sunday and Ben was pretty short in his response to the question.

Ben obviously being pissed as opposed to his normal smiling self was certainly something to see.

[dougthonus]

Usually rookie QBs on the road in their first start are atrocious, and that includes HOF QBs. I’m not saying McCarthy is a stud, but what he did was impressive.

He had one of the lowest QBRs in the NFL, he threw for 143 yards including a pick 6. The outcome was impressive, but I don't think McCarthy played well at all and even that outcome he required a BS pass interference play to get, a missed FG by the bears, and on those 3 TD drives I believe they gained more total yards on the ground than in the air.

If you were impressed, it's not my job to convince you otherwise. I was not impressed. I think he sucked.

[jnrjr79]

Usually rookie QBs on the road in their first start are atrocious, and that includes HOF QBs. I’m not saying McCarthy is a stud, but what he did was impressive.

He had one of the lowest QBRs in the NFL, he threw for 143 yards including a pick 6. The outcome was impressive, but I don't think McCarthy played well at all and even that outcome he required a BS pass interference play to get, a missed FG by the bears, and on those 3 TD drives I believe they gained more total yards on the ground than in the air.

If you were impressed, it's not my job to convince you otherwise. I was not impressed. I think he sucked.

IMO, the biggest story of their comeback was in the 4th quarter the Vikings' ground game finally broke through - 6.3 yards per carry in the 4th.

I have no idea whether McCarthy will ultimately be good, but he was quite bad in that game.

[imagge]

Jonah Jackson gave up 5 pressures, had two false starts, and his PFF pass block grade was 22.6. Horrible

According to PFF he lost 15 snaps, the avg for OL is 5

[imagge]

Usually rookie QBs on the road in their first start are atrocious, and that includes HOF QBs. I’m not saying McCarthy is a stud, but what he did was impressive.

He had one of the lowest QBRs in the NFL, he threw for 143 yards including a pick 6. The outcome was impressive, but I don't think McCarthy played well at all and even that outcome he required a BS pass interference play to get, a missed FG by the bears, and on those 3 TD drives I believe they gained more total yards on the ground than in the air.

If you were impressed, it's not my job to convince you otherwise. I was not impressed. I think he sucked.

Conversely watching Kurt Warners breakdown of Caleb Williams tells that overall he played well. Yes he missed a few critical throws but the throw to DJ Moore that everyone blasted him for was broken down by Kurt as a low percentage completion capability. The play, based on the same play being ran earlier in the game suggest that DJ Moore was suppose to run a corner, when he threw up his hand that is not a general signal of I'm open but a signal of I'm changing the route mid-route. When he throws up his hand Caleb's footwork was taken him to bait the out and throw the corner. Changing his mechanics in mid throw to throw a fade is very difficult to do.

[dougthonus]

Conversely watching Kurt Warners breakdown of Caleb Williams tells that overall he played well. Yes he missed a few critical throws but the throw to DJ Moore that everyone blasted him for was broken down by Kurt as a low percentage completion capability. The play, based on the same play being ran earlier in the game suggest that DJ Moore was suppose to run a corner, when he threw up his hand that is not a general signal of I'm open but a signal of I'm changing the route mid-route. When he throws up his hand Caleb's footwork was taken him to bait the out and throw the corner. Changing his mechanics in mid throw to throw a fade is very difficult to do.

I've not watched the Kurt Warner breakdown (though I heard he was more high on Caleb). I'm not familiar with Kurt Warner breakdowns historically to have a feel for what he offers (obviously a great QB so certainly has a viable experience) to know how much to value it.

I was more concerned with how inaccurate Caleb was during his 10/10 when he had huge protection and all day to throw and completed short passes but was making poor throws on all of them.

[Dresden]

Tim Jenkins who has a podcast on You Tube, was a lot less enthusiastic about Caleb's performance. He highlighted numerous plays where Caleb had guys open and chose not to throw it to them, or just completely missed on the throw. Harrison Graham gave Caleb a C- for his play.

[Dresden]

Jonah Jackson gave up 5 pressures, had two false starts, and his PFF pass block grade was 22.6. Horrible

According to PFF he lost 15 snaps, the avg for OL is 5

What does it mean "he lost 15 snaps"?

[Dresden]

Bears sign the kicker the Niners just cut, Jake Moody. Big leg, inconsistent.

[kyrv]

Agree with this.

I totally get how if you watched this game you were disappointed in Caleb. I don't get watching this game and thinking "boy that McCarthy kid is a stud". The Bears just collapsed on themselves in that game. McCarthy looked pretty awful most of the game, and the Bears complete ineptitude gave him enough chances to get a win.

Like if the Bears don't go for it on fourth down and kick the FG and then make the other FG they miss, then they win this game. I'd still think Caleb played bad and McCarthy also played bad.

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I mean I know he won the award, I don't know how you watch that game and think he deserved it. He threw for a pathetic 143 yards with a pick-6. He failed on 3 2pt conversion passing attempts, and the "good" was something like 5 total completions and 1 run in the 3 TD scores in the fourth quarter.

I'll never look at that reward the same again. Crazy.

Fleet - come on, the Vikings didn't 'stay in it' because JJ told them to. They were a really good team and playoff team last season (with no JJ) and if any team is going to quit because of a pick six, probably aren't any, but if there are, it's not the Vikings.

Bears blew that game sadly. And two just absolutely huge bad calls both going against the Bears. Vikings took advantage, good on them.

[kyrv]

Jonah Jackson gave up 5 pressures, had two false starts, and his PFF pass block grade was 22.6. Horrible

According to PFF he lost 15 snaps, the avg for OL is 5

What does it mean "he lost 15 snaps"?

I'm assuming it means he didn't do his job on those 15 snaps, i.e. didn't successfully block Bob when he was supposed to block Bob.

[kyrv]

Usually rookie QBs on the road in their first start are atrocious, and that includes HOF QBs. I’m not saying McCarthy is a stud, but what he did was impressive.

He had one of the lowest QBRs in the NFL, he threw for 143 yards including a pick 6. The outcome was impressive, but I don't think McCarthy played well at all and even that outcome he required a BS pass interference play to get, a missed FG by the bears, and on those 3 TD drives I believe they gained more total yards on the ground than in the air.

If you were impressed, it's not my job to convince you otherwise. I was not impressed. I think he sucked.

IMO, the biggest story of their comeback was in the 4th quarter the Vikings' ground game finally broke through - 6.3 yards per carry in the 4th.

I have no idea whether McCarthy will ultimately be good, but he was quite bad in that game.

I agree and I mean that off player of the week award seems like a troll job.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

He had one of the lowest QBRs in the NFL, he threw for 143 yards including a pick 6. The outcome was impressive, but I don't think McCarthy played well at all and even that outcome he required a BS pass interference play to get, a missed FG by the bears, and on those 3 TD drives I believe they gained more total yards on the ground than in the air.

If you were impressed, it's not my job to convince you otherwise. I was not impressed. I think he sucked.

IMO, the biggest story of their comeback was in the 4th quarter the Vikings' ground game finally broke through - 6.3 yards per carry in the 4th.

I have no idea whether McCarthy will ultimately be good, but he was quite bad in that game.

I agree and I mean that off player of the week award seems like a troll job.

Almost smells fishy in MN after those calls and that award….hmmmmmm

[fleet]

Agree with this.

I totally get how if you watched this game you were disappointed in Caleb. I don't get watching this game and thinking "boy that McCarthy kid is a stud". The Bears just collapsed on themselves in that game. McCarthy looked pretty awful most of the game, and the Bears complete ineptitude gave him enough chances to get a win.

Like if the Bears don't go for it on fourth down and kick the FG and then make the other FG they miss, then they win this game. I'd still think Caleb played bad and McCarthy also played bad.

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I mean I know he won the award, I don't know how you watch that game and think he deserved it. He threw for a pathetic 143 yards with a pick-6. He failed on 3 2pt conversion passing attempts, and the "good" was something like 5 total completions and 1 run in the 3 TD
scores in the fourth quarter.

He impressed more than just one guy on RealGM. That’s all.

For me he checks all the boxes. And it’s not about stats or anything else in 1 game. In the 4th quarter in the clutch showed what he can do when or if his skills develop down the line. Furthermore, he has the look of a guy that has all the intangibles of a dude, and shows enough physical ability on top of those intangibles to develop into a winning NFL quarterback. That’s what I saw. May not happen this year, who knows. It may not happen at all. He should get get there because of the determination imo. And it’s all genuine. Not a fake bone in his body, nor has any teammate ever not been down with this quarterback

[dougthonus]

For me he checks all the boxes. And it’s not about stats or anything else in 1 game. In the 4th quarter in the clutch showed what he can do when or if his skills develop down the line. Furthermore, he has the look of a guy that has all the intangibles of a dude, and shows enough physical ability on top of those intangibles to develop into a winning NFL quarterback. That’s what I saw. May not happen this year, who knows. It may not happen at all. He should get get there because of the determination imo. And it’s all genuine. Not a fake bone in his body, nor has any teammate ever not been down with this quarterback

We'll see what happens wit him, I don't really care about McCarthy one way or the other, I'm not a Vikings fan so won't really be following him in particular. Not really trying to make any statement about his future, I personally wasn't impressed in this game. Obviously you aren't alone (even in the NFL given they gave him the award).