NBA Trade Thread #2

[NecessaryEvil]

Coby White, WCJ, Otto Porter (expiring) & a future first round pick (top ten protections) for :

Bradley Beal & Robin Lopez

Wiz get two young promising players to start the rebuild aside Deni, Hachimura, Bertans etc. w/ Westbrook at the helm.

Bulls get two of the top 5 scorer's in the entire NBA (Beal & Lavine) sharing a backcourt with Lopez returning to a now winning situation. Also the departure of Otto gives P-Will more development minutes THIS season.


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Lavine / Sato / Arci
Beal / Valentine
Pat Williams / Temple
Lauri Markkanen / Young
Lopez / Gafford



Honorable mention trade :

WCJ & a 2nd rounder for Marvin Bagley III

I like the idea of going after Beal, but I think trading for Beal while rationalizing it as giving PWill development time are conflicting ideas. If you get Beal, you need to start winning a lot immediately, not develop younger players.

Sooo developing Pat Williams conflicts with winning how? We're talking about one rookie here.

[nomorezorro]

you'd have to take off the protections and throw in 4 additional picks/pick swaps to make that beal trade work

(i'd still do it, and i still don't think washington would)

[gobullschi]

Keeping tabs on KATs situation in Minnesota and Beals situation in Washington makes a lot of sense. Both teams have younger all-stars stuck on teams that are off to a bad start. Both situations seem destined for an eventual conflict. Time is on the Bulls side because that may take a year or two. Hopefully the focus on player development will have paid off by then and guys trade values go up significantly.

This is another reason the Bulls should target Andre Drummond in the offseason. He’s a good enough piece to be included in a swap later down the road.

I’m pretty sure KAT and Zach are friends from their Timberwolves days together and we know Beal has a good relationship with Billy Donovan. That’s enough to get you in the door.

[TheFinishSniper]

It would be interesting for NBA and Bulls for having two elite SG playing both guard position. This is not something NBA has seen. We do have scoring PG's in league now, but having two true SG's I think changes dynamic a bit. I am all in for trade for Beal mainly because I think if we trade for him we will be willing to adjust and play for Donovan in any role he asking him. As for Wolves I think they will be asking too much for KAT.

Finding quality role playing big man who can defend is much easier to aquire than good guard.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Keeping tabs on KATs situation in Minnesota and Beals situation in Washington makes a lot of sense. Both teams have younger all-stars stuck on teams that are off to a bad start. Both situations seem destined for an eventual conflict. Time is on the Bulls side because that may take a year or two. Hopefully the focus on player development will have paid off by then and guys trade values go up significantly.

This is another reason the Bulls should target Andre Drummond in the offseason. He’s a good enough piece to be included in a swap later down the road.

I’m pretty sure KAT and Zach are friends from their Timberwolves days together and we know Beal has a good relationship with Billy Donovan. That’s enough to get you in the door.

Starting lineup with White,Lavine,Kat possibly Lauri have potential to be worst defensive team ever. Right on pace with this years Kings.

[sco]

I wonder if a deal of White, Carter, Lauri, Otto and our unprotected 1st could net us Rubio and KAT?

Rubio, Zach, PWill, Thad, KAT would be interesting to watch!

[gobullschi]

Keeping tabs on KATs situation in Minnesota and Beals situation in Washington makes a lot of sense. Both teams have younger all-stars stuck on teams that are off to a bad start. Both situations seem destined for an eventual conflict. Time is on the Bulls side because that may take a year or two. Hopefully the focus on player development will have paid off by then and guys trade values go up significantly.

This is another reason the Bulls should target Andre Drummond in the offseason. He’s a good enough piece to be included in a swap later down the road.

I’m pretty sure KAT and Zach are friends from their Timberwolves days together and we know Beal has a good relationship with Billy Donovan. That’s enough to get you in the door.

Starting lineup with White,Lavine,Kat possibly Lauri have potential to be worst defensive team ever. Right on pace with this years Kings.

That’s not necessarily the worst thing. Guys who excel on the offensive end have more value than defensive players. AK could move pieces around for a more balanced roster.

[NecessaryEvil]

Beal / Robin Lopez


That’s the move to make.


Anything but Zach & Pat.



Lauri, Coby, Gafford, WCJ, Valentine, Porter and Felicio’s expirings etc.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Bradley Beal + Robin Lopez + Danny Green + Mike Scott + Terrence Ferguson + 2021 2nd (NY via PHI)

Washington Receives:
Coby White + Wendell Carter Jr. + Cristiano Felicio + 5 1st (4 via CHI & 1 via PHI) + 4 pick swaps (CHI)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.

Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Bradley Beal / Denzel Valentine / Terrence Ferguson
Patrick Williams / Danny Green / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young / Mike Scott
Daniel Gafford / Robin Lopez

Swing for the fences. Bulls would have enough cap space to sign Andre Drummond in free agency when Green, Lopez, & Scott expire + Young & Sato’s partially guaranteed deals.

[Butler4thewin]

Chicago Receives:
Bradley Beal + Robin Lopez + Danny Green + Mike Scott + Terrence Ferguson + 2021 2nd (NY via PHI)

Washington Receives:
Coby White + Wendell Carter Jr. + Cristiano Felicio + 5 1st (4 via CHI & 1 via PHI) + 4 pick swaps (CHI)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.

Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Bradley Beal / Denzel Valentine / Terrence Ferguson
Patrick Williams / Danny Green / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young / Mike Scott
Daniel Gafford / Robin Lopez

Swing for the fences. Bulls would have enough cap space to sign Andre Drummond in free agency when Green, Lopez, & Scott expire + Young & Sato’s partially guaranteed deals.

hmmmmm i like it .....either that or trade lavine and pick cade

[Chicagoat]

Chicago Receives:
Bradley Beal + Robin Lopez + Danny Green + Mike Scott + Terrence Ferguson + 2021 2nd (NY via PHI)

Washington Receives:
Coby White + Wendell Carter Jr. + Cristiano Felicio + 5 1st (4 via CHI & 1 via PHI) + 4 pick swaps (CHI)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.

Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Bradley Beal / Denzel Valentine / Terrence Ferguson
Patrick Williams / Danny Green / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young / Mike Scott
Daniel Gafford / Robin Lopez

Swing for the fences. Bulls would have enough cap space to sign Andre Drummond in free agency when Green, Lopez, & Scott expire + Young & Sato’s partially guaranteed deals.

I am sick. I will always hate the idea of trading that many picks and pick swaps for a player. (Except for a top 5 player in their prime and if our roster wouldn't be shafted after the trade.) It makes me even more nauseous for a player like Beal. Who isn't a top 5 caliber player. No disrespect though, Beal is still an all-star. But the teams that would need to trade for Beal are teams that have the ability to be a consistent playoff team without him and need another key player to make another jump. Teams like Miami, Philly, and maybe Dallas.

The season is still early and the Bulls could still start to lose steam. AKME said this season would be the season to scope things out and let the dust settle. But then again, that could be lip service. Personally, I want the Bulls to be sellers at the trade deadline. But that's another topic entirely.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Bradley Beal + Robin Lopez + Danny Green + Mike Scott + Terrence Ferguson + 2021 2nd (NY via PHI)

Washington Receives:
Coby White + Wendell Carter Jr. + Cristiano Felicio + 5 1st (4 via CHI & 1 via PHI) + 4 pick swaps (CHI)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.

Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Bradley Beal / Denzel Valentine / Terrence Ferguson
Patrick Williams / Danny Green / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young / Mike Scott
Daniel Gafford / Robin Lopez

Swing for the fences. Bulls would have enough cap space to sign Andre Drummond in free agency when Green, Lopez, & Scott expire + Young & Sato’s partially guaranteed deals.

I am sick. I will always hate the idea of trading that many picks and pick swaps for a player. (Except for a top 5 player in their prime and if our roster wouldn't be shafted after the trade.) It makes me even more nauseous for a player like Beal. Who isn't a top 5 caliber player. No disrespect though, Beal is still an all-star. But the teams that would need to trade for Beal are teams that have the ability to be a consistent playoff team without him and need another key player to make another jump. Teams like Miami, Philly, and maybe Dallas.

The season is still early and the Bulls could still start to lose steam. AKME said this season would be the season to scope things out and let the dust settle. But then again, that could be lip service. Personally, I want the Bulls to be sellers at the trade deadline. But that's another topic entirely.

This type of deal gets done in the offseason. Assuming Washington finishes as a bottom 5 team - forcing Beal's hand to request a trade. (Split the deal into 2 separate moves)

I don't love moving all of those draft picks either (maybe the price is less?), but there is a reason why these types of deals have become a trend in the NBA. You have to create the best opportunity available to put yourself in a situation where you can have three all-star caliber players on your roster.

The Bulls would have enough cap space to make a big signing in the offseason - but that doesn't mean they'll successfully land a top free agent. Fortunately, Bradley Beal and Andre Drummond are childhood friends. So if the Bulls are able to add Beal, that likely puts Chicago at the top of Drummond's list. That's three guys that are 27 years old or younger that have shown elite skills in the NBA. It might not be 'good enough' right away, but LeBron, Irving, Durant, Harden, Curry are all in their 30's. Basketball is a young man's game - and the next generation of players will be taking over in the next 2-3 years.

Plus, I really love the idea of having 4 great outside shooters with Drummond down low - cleaning the glass.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

No for Beal,Drummond,Kat. Yes for Cade,Green,Suggs,Mobley. Potentially better players on longterm deals on rookie scale salary. Add nice value through free agency sneaky moves like Garry Trent,J.Allen,Collins.

[PrimzyBulls81]

To get Beal And Drummond in offseason would be very very good. But it also would be good to have one good classic vet PG.

[cl2117]

What's the deal with Valentine and Temple? What would you be looking to get back if you moved either of them?

They seem like they serve the same purpose off the bench, was curious if either would be on the block for some minor assets since they're both expiring or if you'd rather hold on instead.

[weneeda2guard]

I like beal, but I just dont see the point of giving up multiple picks to get him here. Maybe 1 pick and a pick swap. 3-4 picks though? Thats a mortgage on your future and I just dont see beal as the kind of player to do that for. Other teams in a better position to compete now can do that. I just dont feel we are in that place right now.

Furthermore I think we could just be patient play this season out have a ton of cap space in the off season and see if we can add olidipo and Drummond and not have to give up any assets. I also fully believe we would get the same production from olidipo as we would from beal. I like beal here just dont think its worth a blockbuster for him.

Best I can go is a porter jr, coby. Lauri and a 1st kind of deal for him and lopez. Maybe add a pick swap that's it. Not 3-4 picks.

[weneeda2guard]

Chicago Receives:
Bradley Beal + Robin Lopez + Danny Green + Mike Scott + Terrence Ferguson + 2021 2nd (NY via PHI)

Washington Receives:
Coby White + Wendell Carter Jr. + Cristiano Felicio + 5 1st (4 via CHI & 1 via PHI) + 4 pick swaps (CHI)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.

Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Bradley Beal / Denzel Valentine / Terrence Ferguson
Patrick Williams / Danny Green / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young / Mike Scott
Daniel Gafford / Robin Lopez

Swing for the fences. Bulls would have enough cap space to sign Andre Drummond in free agency when Green, Lopez, & Scott expire + Young & Sato’s partially guaranteed deals.

I am sick. I will always hate the idea of trading that many picks and pick swaps for a player. (Except for a top 5 player in their prime and if our roster wouldn't be shafted after the trade.) It makes me even more nauseous for a player like Beal. Who isn't a top 5 caliber player. No disrespect though, Beal is still an all-star. But the teams that would need to trade for Beal are teams that have the ability to be a consistent playoff team without him and need another key player to make another jump. Teams like Miami, Philly, and maybe Dallas.

The season is still early and the Bulls could still start to lose steam. AKME said this season would be the season to scope things out and let the dust settle. But then again, that could be lip service. Personally, I want the Bulls to be sellers at the trade deadline. But that's another topic entirely.

This type of deal gets done in the offseason. Assuming Washington finishes as a bottom 5 team - forcing Beal's hand to request a trade. (Split the deal into 2 separate moves)

I don't love moving all of those draft picks either (maybe the price is less?), but there is a reason why these types of deals have become a trend in the NBA. You have to create the best opportunity available to put yourself in a situation where you can have three all-star caliber players on your roster.

The Bulls would have enough cap space to make a big signing in the offseason - but that doesn't mean they'll successfully land a top free agent. Fortunately, Bradley Beal and Andre Drummond are childhood friends. So if the Bulls are able to add Beal, that likely puts Chicago at the top of Drummond's list. That's three guys that are 27 years old or younger that have shown elite skills in the NBA. It might not be 'good enough' right away, but LeBron, Irving, Durant, Harden, Curry are all in their 30's. Basketball is a young man's game - and the next generation of players will be taking over in the next 2-3 years.

Plus, I really love the idea of having 4 great outside shooters with Drummond down low - cleaning the glass.

I think what's being missed is the kind of teams that make those deals. Houston, bucks, Brooklyn etc those teams are further in line as far as teams ready to compete for a title. As they saw it (Houston when they got cp3 etc) and others those picks will likely be low teens or in the 20s players coming from the draft who project at best to be role players and with leagues like the g league and 2 way contracts etc have become very expendable. So they will fork over 3-4 potential expendable picks.

We are just not in that place yet and beal does not put us in that place. Also beal and lavine and Drummond does not make us a super team. It def makes us a top 4 team in the east but not a true contender. So do we give up multiple picks for a team that won't be able to get past Brooklyn the bucks or Boston?

And as I posted above we could just sign olidipo and Drummond outright in the off season and be in the same place. Without giving up all those picks.

[MisterRoy]

What's the deal with Valentine and Temple? What would you be looking to get back if you moved either of them?

They seem like they serve the same purpose off the bench, was curious if either would be on the block for some minor assets since they're both expiring or if you'd rather hold on instead.

Keep Temple. He is too good for our team to let go. Valentine, I am happy just to let him go. His arrogance is unwarranted. He can't support it. He makes timely 3s sometimes but then he thinks he is the next greatest star and tries doing things he shouldn't.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

[sco]

What's the deal with Valentine and Temple? What would you be looking to get back if you moved either of them?

They seem like they serve the same purpose off the bench, was curious if either would be on the block for some minor assets since they're both expiring or if you'd rather hold on instead.

Valentine for any of teague, edwards, nesmith or fall would be a huge win here. IMO, he will blossom once he gets half a season of being in a rotation. He's been out of ours too long.

[gobullschi]

I am sick. I will always hate the idea of trading that many picks and pick swaps for a player. (Except for a top 5 player in their prime and if our roster wouldn't be shafted after the trade.) It makes me even more nauseous for a player like Beal. Who isn't a top 5 caliber player. No disrespect though, Beal is still an all-star. But the teams that would need to trade for Beal are teams that have the ability to be a consistent playoff team without him and need another key player to make another jump. Teams like Miami, Philly, and maybe Dallas.

The season is still early and the Bulls could still start to lose steam. AKME said this season would be the season to scope things out and let the dust settle. But then again, that could be lip service. Personally, I want the Bulls to be sellers at the trade deadline. But that's another topic entirely.

This type of deal gets done in the offseason. Assuming Washington finishes as a bottom 5 team - forcing Beal's hand to request a trade. (Split the deal into 2 separate moves)

I don't love moving all of those draft picks either (maybe the price is less?), but there is a reason why these types of deals have become a trend in the NBA. You have to create the best opportunity available to put yourself in a situation where you can have three all-star caliber players on your roster.

The Bulls would have enough cap space to make a big signing in the offseason - but that doesn't mean they'll successfully land a top free agent. Fortunately, Bradley Beal and Andre Drummond are childhood friends. So if the Bulls are able to add Beal, that likely puts Chicago at the top of Drummond's list. That's three guys that are 27 years old or younger that have shown elite skills in the NBA. It might not be 'good enough' right away, but LeBron, Irving, Durant, Harden, Curry are all in their 30's. Basketball is a young man's game - and the next generation of players will be taking over in the next 2-3 years.

Plus, I really love the idea of having 4 great outside shooters with Drummond down low - cleaning the glass.

I think what's being missed is the kind of teams that make those deals. Houston, bucks, Brooklyn etc those teams are further in line as far as teams ready to compete for a title. As they saw it (Houston when they got cp3 etc) and others those picks will likely be low teens or in the 20s players coming from the draft who project at best to be role players and with leagues like the g league and 2 way contracts etc have become very expendable. So they will fork over 3-4 potential expendable picks.

We are just not in that place yet and beal does not put us in that place. Also beal and lavine and Drummond does not make us a super team. It def makes us a top 4 team in the east but not a true contender. So do we give up multiple picks for a team that won't be able to get past Brooklyn the bucks or Boston?

And as I posted above we could just sign olidipo and Drummond outright in the off season and be in the same place. Without giving up all those picks.

I agree - teams are usually farther along than this Bulls team before making this type of move but they might sneak into the playoffs.

The NBA landscape will have completely changed in three years and teams like the Nets and Bucks will be on the decline because James Harden will be 34 years old, Kevin Durant will be 35 years old, Kylie will 31 years old, Jrue Holiday will be 34 years old and Middleton will be 32. Guys usually start to fall off in their 30s.

I think the Bulls would match really well against Boston. Especially with a 34 year old Kemba Walker.

You can’t just say “they should just sign these two instead” because that’s not how it works. Free agents have to WANT to come here and it’s usually based on if a team is winning and/or if they have friends on the team. Building a team knowing Beals relationship with Drummond and Billy Donovan would be a strategic move that is realistic.

There’s been multiple reports that Oladipo wants to sign with Miami.