Around The NBA : 2023-24 Season #3

[sco]

Fox is under contract for one more year. If need be the Kings could've re-visited this in the off season. No need to rush if the deal isn't ideal.

Zach's not a bad player and I don't think getting him was a bad idea for the Kings. But with DDR there....that makes it not so good. I also don't think the picks they got were that great.

If the Spurs said no to giving up better stuff then so be it. Fox can continue to be on the Kings the rest of the year.

The Kings got 2 unprotected firsts, 5 seconds plus Lavine. Are you getting a better deal from someone else? The Rockets can but they also seem to have their sights set on Booker/KD since they own the Suns' picks. The fit isn't there with OKC. The Kings would still need another suitor, without that they'd be losing leverage to the Spurs by waiting.

Is the 2027 Spurs pick that great? The Minnesota 2031 might be interesting, but thats 6 years from now.

He'd still have value if they waited in the off season. They also didn't have to trade him to the Spurs. He's under contract.

I remember Damian Lillard saying he wanted to go to Miami, but ended up in Milwaukee, so you never know. However, it's a good idea to ask around the league before making a decision.

Kings fell for the same trap we did. A non-3pt shooting non-defending C is the EZ-pass to NBA mediocrity. The Sabonis trade for Hali absolutely killed them. Ever since then they've been making the same sort of bone-headed moves we have. We all knew Demar was a mistake. The Fox trade wasn't terrible if they really thought they'd be losing him, but the guy they should have moved was Sabonis.

[Chi town]

The Kings got 2 unprotected firsts, 5 seconds plus Lavine. Are you getting a better deal from someone else? The Rockets can but they also seem to have their sights set on Booker/KD since they own the Suns' picks. The fit isn't there with OKC. The Kings would still need another suitor, without that they'd be losing leverage to the Spurs by waiting.

Is the 2027 Spurs pick that great? The Minnesota 2031 might be interesting, but thats 6 years from now.

He'd still have value if they waited in the off season. They also didn't have to trade him to the Spurs. He's under contract.

I remember Damian Lillard saying he wanted to go to Miami, but ended up in Milwaukee, so you never know. However, it's a good idea to ask around the league before making a decision.

Kings fell for the same trap we did. A non-3pt shooting non-defending C is the EZ-pass to NBA mediocrity. The Sabonis trade for Hali absolutely killed them. Ever since then they've been making the same sort of bone-headed moves we have. We all knew Demar was a mistake. The Fox trade wasn't terrible if they really thought they'd be losing him, but the guy they should have moved was Sabonis.

Yep.

They are beyond lost.

[Ice Man]

Eh, it's not as if Hali is leading the Pacers to greatness. Also, Sabonis should be paired with a rim protector. I mean, it's the Kings. They're not going to get it right.

[Dan Z]

"Patrick Beverley parts ways with Israeli team in wake of public spat".

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/patrick_beverley_parts_ways_with_israeli_team_in_wake_of_public_spat/s1_14822_41751859

[WesPeace]

Kings fans finding out

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Their reddit sounds exactly like ours 2 years ago.

Once they realize derozan has gone cold they gotta move on to someone else. Have a few others score then derozan will be good to hit another shot.
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That's how it was in Chicago, Demar will ice the whole team with his ISO game
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How many shots did DeMar miss in a row at the end? Seriously
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He never passed the last 4 possessions to end the 4th…
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It was hard seeing iso ball at the end when Zach was hot.
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The Kings didn't sign him for his defense obviously.
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Zach was driving really good, but they just let Demar dribble for 20 seconds every possesion in the last 3 minutes and take a tough shot when he was clearly ice cold.

I like Demar especially when he was here but yeah last night he over did it with the iso and kept missing too. He has plenty of options offensively and really didn’t need to force things by himself.

Once Fox was shipped out Demar took the opportunity to establish himself as the new alpha over Sabonis who has been there a while and over Zach.

There will be arguments on their team if Demar doesn’t change his ways. He can obviously make big shots but when he has teammates who can also score you can’t just go iso on every play down the stretch. How long will Zach be ok with taking the back seat to Demar?

If they want to take at least half semi step forward, DeMar needs to take a back seat OR be gone in offseason.. he still thinks he is MJ lol

DeMar for point guard trade in offseason is a must

[2weekswithpay]

The Kings got 2 unprotected firsts, 5 seconds plus Lavine. Are you getting a better deal from someone else? The Rockets can but they also seem to have their sights set on Booker/KD since they own the Suns' picks. The fit isn't there with OKC. The Kings would still need another suitor, without that they'd be losing leverage to the Spurs by waiting.

Is the 2027 Spurs pick that great? The Minnesota 2031 might be interesting, but thats 6 years from now.

He'd still have value if they waited in the off season. They also didn't have to trade him to the Spurs. He's under contract.

I remember Damian Lillard saying he wanted to go to Miami, but ended up in Milwaukee, so you never know. However, it's a good idea to ask around the league before making a decision.

Kings fell for the same trap we did. A non-3pt shooting non-defending C is the EZ-pass to NBA mediocrity. The Sabonis trade for Hali absolutely killed them. Ever since then they've been making the same sort of bone-headed moves we have. We all knew Demar was a mistake. The Fox trade wasn't terrible if they really thought they'd be losing him, but the guy they should have moved was Sabonis.

It isn't easy, but the Kings are stuck because they never got the proper players to support Sabonis on that end. Sengun has similar defensive issues as Sabonis, but the Rockets are in a much better position.

[bledredwine]

Question because I haven’t paid attention. Do we have any good picks? Thats my only interest with this team these days.

[Axl Rose]

Question because I haven’t paid attention. Do we have any good picks? Thats my only interest with this team these days.

We have our picks and a highly protected non lottery Portland pick....so not really.

[cocktailswith_2short]

Question because I haven’t paid attention. Do we have any good picks? Thats my only interest with this team these days.

We will have a chance at the top pick .....check back when lotto balls have been tampered .

[samwana]

Question because I haven’t paid attention. Do we have any good picks? Thats my only interest with this team these days.

We will have a chance at the top pick .....check back when lotto balls have been tampered .

May, 12 is the Flagg day. That's out 20th anniversary and getting Flagg would be a great present!

[kodo]

It isn't easy, but the Kings are stuck because they never got the proper players to support Sabonis on that end. Sengun has similar defensive issues as Sabonis, but the Rockets are in a much better position.

Great point, they went hard after defense spending huge money on FVV and Dillon Brooks, and spending a very important #4 pick on a defender instead of scorer in Amen Thompson. Also went out and got an elite defensive coach.

Basically a competent FO with a plan on how to succeed.

[sco]

It isn't easy, but the Kings are stuck because they never got the proper players to support Sabonis on that end. Sengun has similar defensive issues as Sabonis, but the Rockets are in a much better position.

Great point, they went hard after defense spending huge money on FVV and Dillon Brooks, and spending a very important #4 pick on a defender instead of scorer in Amen Thompson. Also went out and got an elite defensive coach.

Basically a competent FO with a plan on how to succeed.

Great point. It was what we should have done day one with Vuc. To be fair, we did move on from Lauri in an attempt, but failed to follow through because Demar forced PWill (who failed as a pick) to the PF spot but he lacked the elite defensive chops to counter-act Vuc's defensive liabilities. To be fair to AK, he did try with Ball and Caruso, but didn't quite get there at PF.

[DuckIII]

It isn't easy, but the Kings are stuck because they never got the proper players to support Sabonis on that end. Sengun has similar defensive issues as Sabonis, but the Rockets are in a much better position.

Great point, they went hard after defense spending huge money on FVV and Dillon Brooks, and spending a very important #4 pick on a defender instead of scorer in Amen Thompson. Also went out and got an elite defensive coach.

Basically a competent FO with a plan on how to succeed.

By first tanking.

[MrSparkle]

They got a really strong return for Harden… Also got FRPs for Ariza, RoCo and even Westbrook (by taking Wall’s contract). Also they did a draft night trade, picking up Sengun.

You can’t just hope to land good draft picks by tanking. Jalen Green, Jabari Smith and Reed Sheppard aren’t a contending core. Amen looks like a big time piece. Four top-5 picks in a row. Good core, but not great for that much tanking.

But combined with their trades, it worked out well. They made good trades (after a rather disastrous Paul/Westbrook swap).

AKME have not done themselves any favors. They got nothing at all for Caruso, Zach and Demar (net-end of everything, we lost assets), and gave up a lot for Vuc - remains to see what grain of rice we get for him. Terrible asset management. FFF if that’s the opposite of AAA. I can’t even call the Zach trade a salvage trade. It’s like, a 2-year-of-waste find-a-direction trade.

So they can even draft a nice pick in the next draft (or not). Matas might develop (or not). Fact is, AKME put us way out of position for rapid improvement by killing assets. The depth chart sucks.

[pipfan]

I disagree-we got 3 years of fun play from DDR and Caruso-that counts for something

The Vuc trade was a bust-but I can't complain too much since it was almost the exact trade I'd wanted (only 1 first was what I wanted).

I want us to tank out the year, and get some lotto luck. I like Matas a lot, and Ayo/Smith are decent depth pieces

Let's hope we can trade White for something and start fresh kn 2026

[Dan Z]

I disagree-we got 3 years of fun play from DDR and Caruso-that counts for something

The Vuc trade was a bust-but I can't complain too much since it was almost the exact trade I'd wanted (only 1 first was what I wanted).

I want us to tank out the year, and get some lotto luck. I like Matas a lot, and Ayo/Smith are decent depth pieces

Let's hope we can trade White for something and start fresh kn 2026

The last two seasons were fun...?

The first few months with DDR was fun, but then it all fell apart.

The Vucevic trade wouldn't have been so bad had AK put better protections on the first pick. I'm sure the deal was done with the idea that Chicago would make the playoffs so I bet Orlando would still agree to the deal with better protections. Moving forward with Franz would change things.

[WesPeace]

I disagree-we got 3 years of fun play from DDR and Caruso-that counts for something

The Vuc trade was a bust-but I can't complain too much since it was almost the exact trade I'd wanted (only 1 first was what I wanted).

I want us to tank out the year, and get some lotto luck. I like Matas a lot, and Ayo/Smith are decent depth pieces

Let's hope we can trade White for something and start fresh kn 2026

3 years? Not even close.. only first half of season with Ball was fun and later in years few clutch wins with DeMar and hotshooting Lavine, but thats it in all those years.

AKME and Billy are 90% failure and we lost/we will lose years for mediocrity and bottoming.. disaster!

Too bad we have unserious team owners,otherwise these 3 clowns would be gone last year at latest

[Dan Z]

The Sixers just signed Lonnie Walker.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/279350/Lonnie-Walker-IV-Sixers-Agree-To-Two-Year-$3M-Deal

[Muzbar]

The Sixers just signed Lonnie Walker.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/279350/Lonnie-Walker-IV-Sixers-Agree-To-Two-Year-$3M-Deal

Maybe enough of a boost to push them over the Bulls?

[PistolP]

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Somewhere AK is salivating over the prospect of signing another guard