Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[patryk7754]

I saw a headline that Jonah Jackson has been given permission to seek a trade by the rams. I thibk his cap hit would be less than 10m. Theoretically, that would be a huge bargain for some of his talent but, I think he only played one game last season due to injury. Not sure how serious his injuries may be but if we can get him for a 5th or 6th it might be worth it

[nomorezorro]

he had mediocre pff grades, a worse injury history than jenkins, and was benched post-injury in LA. i don't see any reason to give up any draft asset for him, even if it's a 6th or 7th.

if he gets cut and you wanna take a flyer on him as competition at LG with a rookie, sure, whatever

[fleet]

Likely to be a lot of tweets coming out today and tomorrow with tidbits of info. Bears have a formal interview set up with Jeanty and ...

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He’s not turning 21 until this summer iirc. Lots of room to grow in all ways

[panthermark]

Now that we have a new HC, unless other things change, we should rank in the top 10 next year in this survey, maybe even top 5. Which disproves the narrative some fans have that nobody wants to play for the Bears.

What are you talking about?
What narrative? What disproves what?

Seems like you are trying to create a strawman narrative to disprove?


What exactly disproves what based on a survey that happened after a new head coach was hired? And who are these fans saying this to begin with?

Does this disprove that players don't want to go to a losing team (all money being equal)? Or prefer warmer weather teams? Or what?

There were several posters here who made comments saying "no one will want to come to the Bears" either talking about players or coaches, for a variety of reasons- but mostly due to perceived disfunction in the front office. This survey, of players themselves, shows that the Bears are far from being viewed as a pariah. Thus, this notion that "no one wants to come here" seems to be more a case of fans' frustration than reality.

But the survey does not ask about dysfunction or team history weather or state taxes or even front office. The closest you would get would be ownership and head coaching.

Categories are:
Treatment of Families
Food/Dining Area
Nutritionist/Dietician
Locker Room
Training Room
Training Staff
Weight Room
Strength Coaches
Team Travel
Head Coach
Ownership

What I got from that is that the Bears have a really nice locker room and weight room facilities, and they seem to be happy with the owner, especially with BJ hired (but almost everyone surveyed was happy with their owner). But to be honest, I don't remember too many conversations about players not coming here in football. Maybe a couple of high profile, older guys as FA's that want to win...but nothing specific. The Bulls? Another story...

[fleet]

Now that we have a new HC, unless other things change, we should rank in the top 10 next year in this survey, maybe even top 5. Which disproves the narrative some fans have that nobody wants to play for the Bears.

What are you talking about?
What narrative? What disproves what?

Seems like you are trying to create a strawman narrative to disprove?


What exactly disproves what based on a survey that happened after a new head coach was hired? And who are these fans saying this to begin with?

Does this disprove that players don't want to go to a losing team (all money being equal)? Or prefer warmer weather teams? Or what?

I don’t recall seeing this “narrative” by “fans”. The Bears haven’t had any institutional problems attracting free agents to take their money. The closest thing that approaches this was the Lions getting Montgomery, and it’s definitely in media that Montgomery wasn’t interested in Chicago’s offer due to the Bears being the Bears, but I don’t recall the offer relative to Detroit’s offer. In football, players have short careers, and they don’t often pass up the highest offer on the table. However, all things not being equal, most players with options are gonna choose a winning team.

[fleet]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/news/bears-bengals-blockbuster-trade-proposal-21-million-star-picks/357fda6969cb617b78100153


Would you give up a 2nd and a 5th this year to acquire Trey Hendrickson? If it were a 3rd and a 5th I'd certainly be tempted. And I generally don't like to trade draft capital for high price veterans. But the dude led the league in sacks last year.

i'm not giving up 39 or 41 for a guy on the wrong side of 30 who wants a new contract. we should be in no rush to acquire a "finishing piece"-type player. wait until the team proves it's actually good before you sacrifice long-term building blocks for established short-term contributors

The Bears are not ready to put 30 year olds on new deals to good use. This is rushing the process. Trust the process.

[dice]

I was looking at different mock drafts and most seem to have us taking Banks Jr. from Texas. I actually wouldn't be surprised if we take Membou from Mizzou though. Incredible strength and agility for his size (6'3", 330 lb). The downside seems to be that he doesn't have ideal arm length to play tackle and he's never played guard before.

He's an absolute mauler in the run game and has shown improvement in pass protection each of his college seasons. He just seems like a guy with a high RAS score and the type of player that Poles seems to like.

membou has skyrocketed to pass banks as #2 OT prospect

[dice]

If we drafted a LT, I'd wonder if Jones could bump inside to LG. He'd be a huge guard (6'5", 310), but that seems to be what BJ prefers. And that would solve 2 problems with 1 draft pick.

if poles is truly going to open LT to competition like he says, that telegraphs he's gonna take either membou or banks. one or both will very likely be available. loser of camp competition gets bumped in to guard. then he'll sign best RG he can in FA. if, on the other hand, he signs TWO starting guards in FA, that creates a more sticky situation for drafting a LT

[jnrjr79]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/news/bears-bengals-blockbuster-trade-proposal-21-million-star-picks/357fda6969cb617b78100153


Would you give up a 2nd and a 5th this year to acquire Trey Hendrickson? If it were a 3rd and a 5th I'd certainly be tempted. And I generally don't like to trade draft capital for high price veterans. But the dude led the league in sacks last year.

i'm not giving up 39 or 41 for a guy on the wrong side of 30 who wants a new contract. we should be in no rush to acquire a "finishing piece"-type player. wait until the team proves it's actually good before you sacrifice long-term building blocks for established short-term contributors

The Bears are not ready to put 30 year olds on new deals to good use. This is rushing the process. Trust the process.

I don’t agree that the Bears aren’t ready for 30 year-olds on new deals. Ben Johnson sure doesn’t seem to agree that this needs to be done slowly. But where I’m with you is I’d be very hesitant to trade good draft capital to acquire a 30 year-old who needs a new deal. If we’re signing those sorts of guys, I’d rather be aiming for free agency than trading & extending.

[dice]

simulated offseason - this time we raid the chiefs:

cut byard
re-sign sanborn - 1 yr, 4.5 mil

trey smith (RG) - age 26 - 4 yrs, 90 mil (45 guar.) - terrible idea
justin reid (S) - age 28 - 2 yrs, 42 mil - bad idea

chase young (EDGE) - age 26 - 2 yrs, 28 mil
mekhi becton (LG or LT) - 2 yrs, 23 mil
calais campbell (DT) - age 39 - 1 yr, 13.5 mil - huge outlier contract - elite run stopper, still has some pass rush juice
hollywood brown (WR) - age 28 - 2 yrs, 18.5 mil - missed nearly all of his only season w/ chiefs - nice fit at WR3

draft

1 TEN - hunter
2 CLE - carter
3 NYG - ward
4 pats - campbell
5 JAX - johnson
6 LVR - sanders
7 NYJ - warren (surprise pick)
8 CAR - graham
9 saints - pearce
10 bears - jeanty

[biggestbullsfan]

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I wouldn’t pass on him if he somehow fell to 10 but given our luck, he wouldn’t ever be healthy lol

[patryk7754]

There’s a decent chance Carter drops to us. I would not hesitate to take him. Poles mentioned he wouldn’t be against signing and drafting DEs. Signing a vet like Mack and easing Carter into the season makes perfect sense to me.

[Dresden]

From what I heard on ESPN, he won't need surgery.

[nomorezorro]

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i'm going to actually go out on a limb and guess they end up trading him still anyway. i don't think there's any way they can afford to keep him on the tag with their cap situation, and there's no incentive for him to take a team-friendly extension. we'll see though

(honestly don't think i'd love trading for him if things do play out that way, tbh. might just go hard on iOL guys in the draft and try to sign someone like zeitler as a stopgap)

[fleet]

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i'm going to actually go out on a limb and guess they end up trading him still anyway. i don't think there's any way they can afford to keep him on the tag with their cap situation, and there's no incentive for him to take a team-friendly extension. we'll see though

(honestly don't think i'd love trading for him if things do play out that way, tbh. might just go hard on iOL guys in the draft and try to sign someone like zeitler as a stopgap)

I definitely don’t know what the NFL contract rules are, but from what I thought, teams use the exclusive, non exclusive or transition tag rather than the franchise tag when they intend to trade. I could be very wrong though. Outside chance its a partial bluff in order to light a fire under the Bears to go all in and make a godfather virtual offer to stop the Chiefs from slapping on the franchise tag. Like, maybe the Bears are being cold right now.

[biggestbullsfan]

From what I heard on ESPN, he won't need surgery.

Could be Agent talk. He won’t get surgery until training camp and then miss most of the season

[jnrjr79]

From what I heard on ESPN, he won't need surgery.

Could be Agent talk. He won’t get surgery until training camp and then miss most of the season

Reports were that if he needs surgery at all, it's a screw in his foot and 8 weeks of recovery.

[molepharmer]

From what I heard on ESPN, he won't need surgery.

Could be Agent talk. He won’t get surgery until training camp and then miss most of the season

Reports were that if he needs surgery at all, it's a screw in his foot and 8 weeks of recovery.

Think he has his pro-day in four weeks. Supposedly it's a 'small' fracture that doesn't bother him. If he shies away from testing the foot during his pro-day, then it might be an issue and his draft stock could suffer.

[jnrjr79]

Could be Agent talk. He won’t get surgery until training camp and then miss most of the season

Reports were that if he needs surgery at all, it's a screw in his foot and 8 weeks of recovery.

Think he has his pro-day in four weeks. Supposedly it's a 'small' fracture that doesn't bother him. If he shies away from testing the foot during his pro-day, then it might be an issue and his draft stock could suffer.

Yeah, I assume he'll have to give out his scans in order to not drop.

[fleet]

Dennis Allen likely drooling

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