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Post#1861 » by cjbulls » Thu Jun 6, 2019 1:56 am

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Leslie Forman wrote:The way NAW is talked about, you'd think he was some four-year player who just became this good as a senior. It doesn't seem to make sense that the guy is projected in the teens while Reddish is top-10, when he was actually way better as a freshman than Reddish, too. I've never even seen NAW play, but just the way he's described…how is he not ranked higher?

I could see this draft being like the 2011 draft. After Kyrie Irving, the top-10 was filled with crap, meanwhile you had Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson, Tobias Harris and Chandler Parsons all go 10s-30s.


Because it's not about the season stats?

This is the most basic explanation for NAW vs. Coby.

NAW is a really solid player right now. But his weakness is his athleticism, something you can't change and keeps him from ever reaching anything other than run-of-the-mill starter status.

White is also a really solid player right now. His weakness is he plays so fast that he makes bad decisions. Decision making is the single easiest prospect-to-pro transition. He will get better if he fixes that correctable issue.


Please explain to me what this is based off of? Never ever heard someone say you can just fix decision making.


TOs are the easiest stat correction for young players. I am not going to dig this up for you. Not only is it inherently obvious, but it’s a common refrain for young players
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Post#1862 » by Moosegary » Thu Jun 6, 2019 2:36 am

A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.
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Post#1863 » by Jvaughn » Thu Jun 6, 2019 2:44 am

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Because it's not about the season stats?

This is the most basic explanation for NAW vs. Coby.

NAW is a really solid player right now. But his weakness is his athleticism, something you can't change and keeps him from ever reaching anything other than run-of-the-mill starter status.

White is also a really solid player right now. His weakness is he plays so fast that he makes bad decisions. Decision making is the single easiest prospect-to-pro transition. He will get better if he fixes that correctable issue.


Please explain to me what this is based off of? Never ever heard someone say you can just fix decision making.


TOs are the easiest stat correction for young players. I am not going to dig this up for you. Not only is it inherently obvious, but it’s a common refrain for young players


There's nothing to dig up, because there's no such thing as a decision making stat. Turnovers are only a small part of decision making. White's turnovers aren't even that high.

Making the right pass to the right player, knowing when to shoot, knowing when to pull the ball out and slow the game down all go into "decision making." Now you're talking about overall IQ. And while experience helps with that, there's no way to tell how a player will end up. You have 10+ year vets in the league now who don't have high turnovers but still make awful decisions.

White's issues aren't even really his turnovers. His issues are not knowing how to use his speed or when to be a scorer vs a facilitator. He takes awful contested shots and tends to go 1 on 5. Can he fix this? Sure. Is it an easy fix that we can accept as a forgone conclusion? Absolutely not.
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Post#1864 » by cjbulls » Thu Jun 6, 2019 2:49 am

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Please explain to me what this is based off of? Never ever heard someone say you can just fix decision making.


TOs are the easiest stat correction for young players. I am not going to dig this up for you. Not only is it inherently obvious, but it’s a common refrain for young players


There's nothing to dig up, because there's no such thing as a decision making stat. Turnovers are only a small part of decision making. White's turnovers aren't even that high.

Making the right pass to the right player, knowing when to shoot, knowing when to pull the ball out and slow the game down all go into "decision making." Now you're talking about overall IQ. And while experience helps with that, there's no way to tell how a player will end up. You have 10+ year vets in the league now who don't have high turnovers but still make awful decisions.

White's issues aren't even really his turnovers. His issues are not knowing how to use his speed or when to be a scorer vs a facilitator. He takes awful contested shots and tends to go 1 on 5. Can he fix this? Sure. Is it an easy fix that we can accept as a forgone conclusion? Absolutely not.


That’s where his upside lies. He went from a sg to a pg for one of the toughest coaches and handled it reasonably well. It’s fair to expect he will keep improving, it’s just a matter of how much. Back to my original point: he is more likely to overcome his obstacles than NAWs athleticism problem.
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Post#1865 » by jump » Thu Jun 6, 2019 3:35 am

Moosegary wrote:A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.


If your source is correct about two year contracts, then we are surely looking at Rubio or Collison or Beverly types at pg. For front court depth it seems like Taj or Morris or Ed Davis types, which makes sense. Solid vet depth and draft talent would be the strategy. That sounds ok but not an aggressive move to shoot for the playoffs.
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Post#1866 » by Chi town » Thu Jun 6, 2019 3:39 am

Moosegary wrote:A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.


Thanks. This is what I’ve figured.

Beverley and Taj. White at 7.

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Post#1867 » by Darius Miles Davis » Thu Jun 6, 2019 3:39 am

Moosegary wrote:A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.


And now...the 2021 plan. Go for Beverley or Rubio in that case.


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Post#1868 » by panthermark » Thu Jun 6, 2019 3:50 am

Moosegary wrote:A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.


Normally I ignore post about sources.....but that part about the two year sounds exactly like something our FO would do. :nonono:
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Post#1869 » by cjbulls » Thu Jun 6, 2019 3:57 am

To be fair, the FO can’t win at this point. People will complain no matter which path they choose: go for broke on AD, sign Brogdon/Russell, or wait it out for two more years.

And if this is really the “plan”, they might as well go for Conley and his remaining two years
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Post#1870 » by Chicagoat » Thu Jun 6, 2019 4:00 am

Romeo Langford needs to be considered highly on our draft board. Trade down and snag Langford. He has alot untapped potential in him. I've been starting to get more sold on Langford the more I read and watch.

Every coach and staff member raves about this kid. What really caught my eye was that game he took it to Zion in high school. Plus who the hell can shoot with a torn ligament in hand? Kid has stones to play with that chit all year for his teammates and still get 16.5 points. Healthy hand and he's easily a 20 plus bucket man. He has the mechanics to be a good shooter. Romeo's a true sleeper right now going under the radar.

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Coming into college, Romeo Langford was a five-star recruit and the second-ranked shooting guard in the country. At New Albany High School in his hometown, the Indiana native decided to play all four years there instead of choosing the prep school route.

Langford’s natural ability to score the ball and make plays for others garnered plenty of national attention and elevated him to the 2018 McDonald’s All-American Game, where the world was introduced to his talents on a grander stage. The impressive, young swingman went on to be recognized as his home state’s Mr. Basketball in his senior season before committing to the area’s most popular school, Indiana University.

Hoosier Nation was absolutely thrilled to have Langford join their family. Not only was he a local, but he was also a star in the making that could likely propel Indiana to the top of the Big Ten as a freshman. Unfortunately for both parties, though, the season didn’t turn out to be what they had hoped for.

Langford had to battle through multiple injuries from the beginning of the year, including a lingering torn ligament on his shooting hand that clearly affected and hindered his capability to knock down shots. While he could have gone down an easier path by sitting out, Langford decided to play through the pain and show his teammates that he wasn’t going to school just for a one-way ticket to the NBA.

Alas, Indiana needed him to be healthier. After starting the season 12-2, the team went on to win just one of its next 13 games. There were losing streaks of seven and five during the stretch from early January to late February. And despite closing the season by winning four in a row, a first-round conference tournament loss sent the Hoosiers to the National Invitation Tournament. It would be Langford’s final game wearing the candy stripes.

The next stop for Langford is the NBA. Most mock drafts seem to have him ranged between the lower end of the lottery and the middle of the first round.

“I guess you could say I’m under the radar now,” Langford said at the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago. “So now I gotta just earn my respect back, and I feel like when I have my respect back and I’m fighting for these positions, fighting to be a higher pick. I feel like that shows that I am passionate about the game and I enjoy it.

“It really doesn’t surprise me based off what they saw. That’s what they’re going off of. But I feel like it doesn’t really matter what number you get picked. It matters what team and the fit and where you produce once you get there.”

According to a staffer at Indiana, the best may be yet to come for the standout 19-year-old guard.

With the NBA Draft only 16 nights away, Basketball Insiders is giving you an Insider’s Look at Romeo Langford through the eyes of this staffer, who spent a great amount of time with him during the season in Bloomington.



The second that Langford arrived on campus, it was clear he was special.

In the first month of practice, the confident freshman didn’t take long to cement his presence in the program. Indiana’s coaching staff uses a point system in their drills. At the end of the sessions, the leader in points gets bragging rights and is allowed to give his input on a few things regarding practice methods.

According to the staffer, who wishes to remain anonymous, as soon as Langford learned about the competition, he went right at the team’s veteran leader—6-foot-8, 232-pound forward Juwan Morgan.

“He was competing at the highest level against a senior – who’d been there for four years, who’s bigger and stronger,” the staffer told Basketball Insiders. “It didn’t take long for [Romeo] to start winning the practice points. You could tell right away just given his body, his athleticism, his length, his speed, everything that is his package. He’s just different, that’s why he’s gonna be a lottery pick.”

Despite the ailing thumb, Langford was never shy to attack the basket. Using his 6-foot-6, 215-pound frame, he drove past guys and finished with grace with both hands, making it look like he wasn’t even trying. The size and length are big reasons why, and he’s able to control it well.

The staffer recalls two memorable games that stuck out to him during the season.

“At Penn State in the first half,” the staffer said. “He scored like eight straight on some silly shots – stepback in the corner over Mike Watkins, stepback to the top of the key. That was definitely one. He had a moment probably every game. He’d rip baseline when the baseline wasn’t even open and he’d tight-rope it and finish at the rim. You’d just wonder, ‘How’d he do that?’

“Another moment was in the Maryland game [where he dropped 28 points]. In the second half, he was cookin’. There was flashes every game with a stepback or a one-dribble from the NBA line to get to the rim. Whatever it was, he just makes it look so easy.”

There is no question about Langford’s work ethic. The staffer asserts he’s very coachable, is a great teammate, isn’t confrontational and certainly isn’t “soft” as some perceive him to be. Rather, Langford experienced the hardships of a tough season with the Hoosiers and grinding through the injuries was one of the first times he had dealt with adversity. Yet, Langford managed and made the best out of it.

“He averaged 16.5 points in arguably the best league in America,” the staffer said. “Whoever was guarding him, their number one objective was to stop Romeo Langford and he still averaged 16.5. So when people say if he ever backed away from a challenge, his numbers kinda spoke for themselves.”

Langford also tied for the top usage percentage (26.1) among freshman in the Big Ten with Ignas Brazdeikis and boasted the 11th-best in the conference overall. Looking at ball screen and pick-and-roll statistics on Synergy, he and Michigan State’s Cassius Winston were two of the top players in the country.

Mind you, this was all with the weight of the state and university on his hampered shoulders.

“Obviously in the state of Indiana, there’s a ton of pressure on him, and I thought he handled that like a true pro, whether it was signing autographs, taking pictures, whatever it may be,” the staffer said. “He never gave the cold shoulder to any kids or anything like that and I kinda think that speaks volumes about how he was brought up and raised and all that type of stuff.”



Langford is extremely close to his family. He came up through the church, knows the difference between right and wrong and is as respectful as they come. We’re talking about “Yes, sir” and “No, ma’am” type of manners. Yes, there are some nights where he stays up late or plays Fortnite for a little too long, but he doesn’t smoke or drink, isn’t rude, didn’t miss class or rebel against anybody.

As far as his circle goes, it’s pretty tight. Due to the bond he has with his mother (Sabrina), father (Tim) and sisters (Tiffany and Tisha), Langford is well-protected. His personal trainers, Jonathan Jeanty and Kenneth Dion Lee, are good friends of the family and have been around Romeo since he was in elementary school. Tim seems to be “running his show” when it comes to making decisions and determining who is a positive influence on his son.

Romeo is inspired by everyone in his family and wants to make them proud.

“I feel like they have a big part in me being the man I am today,” Langford said. “And one of the reasons I am playing this sport [is] just so I can be able to provide and help my family in the long run. They’ve helped me a lot. Just being there for me. If I have any questions, I can go to them and talk.”

Family is where Langford gets his personality from too. He’s a quiet individual and it’s not easy to hear him when he speaks in a crowded room. He isn’t much of a talker in the first place. Even so, he is easy to get along with and very likable.

“At first, he’ll probably come off as shy and softspoken, but once he gets comfortable around you and trusts that his best interest is in your hands, [he’ll open up],” the staffer said.

“He has a lot of people kinda pulling him, so he’s able to identify who’s there for him and who’s trying to use him. He has a really good sense of that. So once he kinda gets past that initial shy stage, he’s a really, really good kid about the right things.”



On the court, Langford’s skill set is extremely versatile, making him the perfect fit for a constantly evolving league in the association.

“I just feel like my game translates real well for the NBA, where the NBA’s going right now and I’m just built for it,” Langford said.

“His athleticism and his size and his frame allow him to do a lot. I think right away, he’s gonna be able to be a two-way player,” the staffer said. “Obviously, he still has a lot to learn defensive side, but just given his measurables and his frame and his lateral ability and his quickness, his jumping ability – he, right away, will be able to guard the two and the three in the league at his size and his athleticism. So I think that’ll translate seamlessly.”

As specified by the staffer, Langford is at his best with the ball in his hands. He can operate in the two-man game as the handler, set solid ball screens and is adept at making sharp outlet passes in transition.

“He has good IQ,” the staffer continued. “He kinda knows what he’s looking for, whether to throw back off a ball screen, if they put two on the ball or if nobody hedges or shows, he can get in the lane, he’s got really good touch on the floater.”

In furthering his assessment, the staffer believes Langford has to improve his catch-and-shoot threes. The Indiana product is much better and visibly comfortable off the bounce on pull-up jumpers and stepbacks, and he personally agrees with both notions.

Langford plans to stay in the gym to continuously work on his shot. He knows that the thumb injury affected the way the numbers turned out. After all, if you can’t firmly grip and handle the basketball, how can you properly shoot it?

At the same time, he doesn’t use that as an excuse and understands his mechanics could still use some work.

“My form needs a couple things tweaked here and there,” Langford said. “But I can still shoot the ball. There’s no ifs, ands or buts about that…”

The staffer appreciates Langford’s candor and backs his claim.

“I do legit think that his thumb was an issue for him,” the staffer said. “Now, I also think that throughout the course of the year, he got better, he became a better shooter through our program, through the repetition, through everything that we were working with him on. He got better as the year progressed. It wasn’t necessarily his strong suit coming in because he’s just so talented.

“In the end, the jumper now – it’s almost like he didn’t really have to [have one] because he just gets by people and finishes at the rim. I think that was misconstrued a little bit. I think he’s gonna get better and better as a shooter. as his pro career kinda develops and he gets in the right system and he’s able to rep it out and his thumb gets healthy.”

Langford and the staffer both contend that it was a shame he couldn’t go through the full NBA Draft Combine process.

The staffer would’ve predicted him to finish in the top five in at least in every category. Langford would’ve bet on himself to place at the very top of the 2019 crop of prospects.

“Without a doubt, yes, sir,” Langford said.”I feel like I would’ve performed pretty well out there. At least I wish I could’ve [done] some of the testing.”



One particular question often comes up to the soon-to-be rookie: Do you really love the game of basketball?

Langford maintains this is a common misconception due to how he reacts to big plays and his calm, cool and collected manner on the hardwood.

“The main thing I want guys to realize is how much passion I have for the game, how much love I have for the game and how that dog mentality—actually having it, though it may not seem like it the way I carry myself,” Langford says.

“Just ‘cause I don’t show too much emotion out on the court on the outside doesn’t mean I don’t really love the game, which I actually do love. . . I’m not gonna change myself. Damian Lillard doesn’t really show too much emotion. He has a stone face most of the time, but people don’t question his passion and stuff for the game, so it really doesn’t bother me.”

Having observed him up close and personal, the staffer says Langford’s demeanor doesn’t define his palpable presence when he’s playing.

“He’s never gonna be like an overly emotional, rah-rah type guy,” the staffer said. “What you see is what you get with his personality. I would call it even-keeled whether we were up 20 or down 20, 10-game losing streak, five-game losing streak – just consistent with his everyday approach.”

When asked to compare himself to somebody, Langford didn’t want to say. Though, he was willing to say his playing style is similar to that of Bradley Beal. He envisions a similar type of career for himself and is confident he could play a role like the veteran Washington Wizards All-Star guard.

So what needs to happen in order for Langford to reach his fullest potential?

“It’s all about just development. That’s what it is these days,” the staffer said. “Obviously spending time with the coaches and understanding what they’re asking of him and him being on the same page, doing what they ask. And it’s gonna come down to just hard work. It takes time to mature at the end of the day. He’s 19 years old and what you don’t know is what you don’t know. So he’s still got a lot to learn.

“But whoever gets him, if they develop him and spend time with him and get him into the gym and work on his shot mechanics and all that type of stuff, there’s a lot that he can do. He’s a smart player that has IQ, which sometimes you just get these uber-talented dudes that are ball dominant, know how to play, know what they’re looking for. Romeo just has a really good feel for what’s going on, who’s open, all that type of stuff. He is a sharp kid.”

Of course, situation and fit also play a crucial part in all of this at the pro level. Will he play off the bench? Will he start? Is there a vision the organization has for him? These are the factors that have great importance and make a difference.

“If he goes to a really, really bad team that needs him to play early, I think he’ll develop and mature and get better quicker than say if he goes to a playoff team that has a secure starting five, starting seven and he’s working his way in,” the staffer said.

“I think it’s very dependent on where he goes, who’s coaching him, what their needs are, what their vision is for him. It’s hard to predict if he’s gonna [make] an immediate impact like in college – be one of the best players, which he was not only in the Big Ten but in the country – obviously the NBA is very different when it comes to that.”

Regardless of who drafts Langford on June 20, the staffer sees a team being pleased with who he is as a person, his habits and his consistency.

“He’ll represent the program the right way,” the staffer said. “So I definitely think they’re gonna get a very talented guy that hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential. Just because, again, shooting the ball is everything in the NBA and I think he’s just gonna continue to get better and better. His body’s gonna continue to mature and get stronger.

“So I think he is very well-deserving of being projected in the top 14 or whatever it may be. . . I mean, he was a highlight show. He’s not like a power dunker or anything like that. It’s hard to say. He’s not gonna be like Miles Bridges and ripping off the rim, but he’s gonna make some shots in the NBA and do some things in the NBA that some people are gonna say, ‘Wow’ – but they’re gonna be like: ‘Woah, that looks really easy.'”



If the NBA allowed players to turn pro straight out of high school, Langford probably could’ve done so. If the option was there, he would’ve considered it.

But Langford doesn’t think he would’ve been ready and likely would’ve ended up where he did anyway. Plus, in one year with the Hoosiers, he changed and became more of a two-way player in preparation for the next level.

“I mean, I enjoyed myself in college and I felt like I learned a lot,” Langford said.” But that was a good stepping stone to go to the NBA.

“I just feel like my body matured. Obviously, I’ll be able to go against some guys that’s older than me. Instead of going straight to the NBA against guys that already have a name for themselves or are already grown men. But that time in college helped me mature as a young man, physically and mentally.”

That aforementioned season of setbacks at Indiana is a perfect example of a learning experience he wouldn’t have gotten had it not been for choosing the collegiate path.

“Had that little slump of shooting. Sometimes during the season or a game, things wouldn’t go my way. We didn’t win that much,” Langford said. “Hardest part was to keep working hard, see the light at the end of the tunnel and the reason why you wake up every day and work out in the morning. . .

“In high school, the majority of the time everything’s going your way. So now, once you keep going up a level of playing basketball—whether that’s college or NBA—you’re gonna go through the times where something’s not gonna go your way.

“That’s just the time for you to show just how resilient you are. Keep pushing. Don’t give up. Everything’s gonna be good in the long run if you just keep working hard.”



There are always going to be question marks with young players making the leap to the highest level in basketball.

Nobody’s perfect. Everybody’s learning curve differs. There’s just something that sticks out about that mild-mannered, polite young man from New Albany, though.

Maybe we should use his own words to paint the picture.
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Post#1871 » by tedwilliams1999 » Thu Jun 6, 2019 4:06 am

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Darius Miles Davis wrote:I’ve come to the conclusion that the guy who does the best draft prospect analysis is Cole Zwicker of thestepien.com and frequent guest of the Game Theory podcast. I believe his top 3 last year were Luka, Trae, and JJJ in that order, which seems spot on. He’s participating in a top 30 big board 3-part podcast series on Game Theory, and they’ve only done 30-21 in reverse order so far. I’m very curious what he says about the players in our range.


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He is absolutely the QB1 draft analyst right now.


Absolutely - he also coincidentally had WCJ pretty high up on his board as well. I forget the exact slot, but it was definitely a couple of spots higher than #7.
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Post#1872 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Thu Jun 6, 2019 4:46 am

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AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
Darius Miles Davis wrote:I’ve come to the conclusion that the guy who does the best draft prospect analysis is Cole Zwicker of thestepien.com and frequent guest of the Game Theory podcast. I believe his top 3 last year were Luka, Trae, and JJJ in that order, which seems spot on. He’s participating in a top 30 big board 3-part podcast series on Game Theory, and they’ve only done 30-21 in reverse order so far. I’m very curious what he says about the players in our range.


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He is absolutely the QB1 draft analyst right now.


Absolutely - he also coincidentally had WCJ pretty high up on his board as well. I forget the exact slot, but it was definitely a couple of spots higher than #7.


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Post#1873 » by Axolotl » Thu Jun 6, 2019 5:14 am

Leslie Forman wrote:I could see this draft being like the 2011 draft. After Kyrie Irving, the top-10 was filled with crap, meanwhile you had Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson, Tobias Harris and Chandler Parsons all go 10s-30s.


This is what I'm seeing too. The top is thin, but after that there's depth going all the way to the second round. Although it might also be case where the draft seems deep, because the projected mid-first rounders are closer than usual to the mid-lottery guys - not because the former are that good, but because the latter are not that good.

I wouldn't mind trading down for more first rounders.
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Post#1874 » by MeloRoseNoah » Thu Jun 6, 2019 5:50 am

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Moosegary wrote:A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.


Normally I ignore post about sources.....but that part about the two year sounds exactly like something our FO would do. :nonono:


What's wrong with a possible FA plan in 2 years? A lot of things can change in two years. But, when the time comes, we will have Felicia, Porter, and this year FAs off the book. That's about 80-90 mil of cap space. If Lavine ends up being a star at 22-23 Per and Lauri is a 25-27 PER superstar with WCJ and our rookie this year being above average NBA player or stars, this team has the potential to be a major FA attraction to a guy like Giannis.

I fully support the front office decision not to lock long term money into role players. I'm glad that they have a plan bc if Lauri, Zach, and our young players outperform our expectations, we have the possibility of adding two max FAs with a loaded roster.
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Post#1875 » by GimmeDat » Thu Jun 6, 2019 5:50 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
tedwilliams1999 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:

He is absolutely the QB1 draft analyst right now.


Absolutely - he also coincidentally had WCJ pretty high up on his board as well. I forget the exact slot, but it was definitely a couple of spots higher than #7.


4th.

https://www.thestepien.com/2018-individual-rankings/


Yep, Cole's the #1 guy I follow. Just came off working for the Suns as well. He's extremely good at this draft stuff.
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery 

Post#1876 » by Butler4thewin » Thu Jun 6, 2019 6:34 am

Moosegary wrote:A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.

Tell them to grab the first rounder from the thunder for cap space Haha
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Post#1877 » by GimmeDat » Thu Jun 6, 2019 8:18 am

Only offering 2 year deals sounds good to me. Opens up that 2021 FA window when Otto and Felicio expire.
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Post#1878 » by dumbell78 » Thu Jun 6, 2019 9:29 am

If the OKC rumor is true about trading their pick and us not wanting to sign guys for greater than two years, I wouldn't mind taking a chance on it and go after a kid like Cam Johnson.

Kid may have some flaws on D but he's an elite shooter that doesn't need a ton of touches. His advanced shooting stats are similar to what Klay was doing. I'm NOT saying he's Klay but he just might be the best shooter in the draft. He'll probably go in the 20's.
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Post#1879 » by samwana » Thu Jun 6, 2019 10:15 am

Moosegary wrote:A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.
Thanks Moosegary, much appreciated!

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Post#1880 » by JimmyJammer » Thu Jun 6, 2019 11:01 am

Brogdon's name sounds sexy to most fans now, but from the moment we sign him to a contract which starts at close to 25mil a season and realize he is not that special, I expect fans to start hating on him. Sometimes it's not about the player per se but it's more about their salary.

Back to the draft, my darkhorse for a trade down is Nickeil Alexander-Walker. This kid has size, can shoot, can pass, can defend and can finish. The only knock on him is he is not a super athlete, but who really is at the PG position these days? This kid's tape can put a lot of the big-time prospects to shame.

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