2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[sco]

A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.

Great job...not great news. I was pining for Brogdon, but at least you didn't kick me in the Ball(s).

Sounds like Plan B:
- Draft BPA's
- Sign Beverly + bench big under cap
- Sign lesser big for MLE

[CoreyVillains]

Threw together my first mock. Obviously what Cleveland decides to do determines the back half of the top 5, and for some reason it just feels like Cam Reddish is such a Cleveland type pick.

[panthermark]

A little news from my Bulls source. Of course they wanted one of the top two picks but think there’s value in seven. Also like both Garland and White. Nothing to overwhelming about the draft. Now the Bad News! Bulls will only offer two year contracts to perspective free agents this summer. So for fans like me who wanted Brogdon or Rozier doesn’t sound like the Bulls are interested. Hope my source is wrong because Brogdon in a Bulls uniform would of been ideal.

Normally I ignore post about sources.....but that part about the two year sounds exactly like something our FO would do.

What's wrong with a possible FA plan in 2 years? A lot of things can change in two years. But, when the time comes, we will have Felicia, Porter, and this year FAs off the book. That's about 80-90 mil of cap space. If Lavine ends up being a star at 22-23 Per and Lauri is a 25-27 PER superstar with WCJ and our rookie this year being above average NBA player or stars, this team has the potential to be a major FA attraction to a guy like Giannis.

I fully support the front office decision not to lock long term money into role players. I'm glad that they have a plan bc if Lauri, Zach, and our young players outperform our expectations, we have the possibility of adding two max FAs with a loaded roster.

Because we've heard about these "(insert year here) plan" for years now. Two full boat free agents, yada, yada, yada....
If any star player really wants to come here, they will find their way here via trade right before their contract expires.

What I don't want to see is the Bulls restrict themselves to lesser talent by only offering shorter contracts, while selling fans on the "2021 plan". That is very Bulls-like.

[jump]

Normally I ignore post about sources.....but that part about the two year sounds exactly like something our FO would do.

What's wrong with a possible FA plan in 2 years? A lot of things can change in two years. But, when the time comes, we will have Felicia, Porter, and this year FAs off the book. That's about 80-90 mil of cap space. If Lavine ends up being a star at 22-23 Per and Lauri is a 25-27 PER superstar with WCJ and our rookie this year being above average NBA player or stars, this team has the potential to be a major FA attraction to a guy like Giannis.

I fully support the front office decision not to lock long term money into role players. I'm glad that they have a plan bc if Lauri, Zach, and our young players outperform our expectations, we have the possibility of adding two max FAs with a loaded roster.

Because we've heard about these "(insert year here) plan" for years now. Two full boat free agents, yada, yada, yada....
If any star player really wants to come here, they will find their way here via trade right before their contract expires.

What I don't want to see is the Bulls restrict themselves to lesser talent by only offering shorter contracts, while selling fans on the "2021 plan". That is very Bulls-like.

Realistically, what is a FO supposed to do? The conditions are that the team is still very young and not strong enough yet to attract the top FAs. Also, we only have about $20 million to spend. So, this year is not going be the year to make a big move. The only other option is to plan ahead. And the time frame that makes most sense is to look to two years from now. As has been noted, the young players will be further along, the FO will better know who we really have, key salaries will be up for renewal, and we will be in the position of having significant cash to spend. It's not like the FO is "selling" a 2021 plan. It's that 2021 is the year that many key issues will become clear.

[Red Larrivee]

People may be tired of it, but punting for flexibility is the best move. Keep your options open so you don't lock yourself into contracts you may regret immediately.

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[panthermark]

What's wrong with a possible FA plan in 2 years? A lot of things can change in two years. But, when the time comes, we will have Felicia, Porter, and this year FAs off the book. That's about 80-90 mil of cap space. If Lavine ends up being a star at 22-23 Per and Lauri is a 25-27 PER superstar with WCJ and our rookie this year being above average NBA player or stars, this team has the potential to be a major FA attraction to a guy like Giannis.

I fully support the front office decision not to lock long term money into role players. I'm glad that they have a plan bc if Lauri, Zach, and our young players outperform our expectations, we have the possibility of adding two max FAs with a loaded roster.

Because we've heard about these "(insert year here) plan" for years now. Two full boat free agents, yada, yada, yada....
If any star player really wants to come here, they will find their way here via trade right before their contract expires.

What I don't want to see is the Bulls restrict themselves to lesser talent by only offering shorter contracts, while selling fans on the "2021 plan". That is very Bulls-like.

Realistically, what is a FO supposed to do? The conditions are that the team is still very young and not strong enough yet to attract the top FAs. Also, we only have about $20 million to spend. So, this year is not going be the year to make a big move. The only other option is to plan ahead. And the time frame that makes most sense is to look to two years from now. As has been noted, the young players will be further along, the FO will better know who we really have, key salaries will be up for renewal, and we will be in the position of having significant cash to spend. It's not like the FO is "selling" a 2021 plan. It's that 2021 is the year that many key issues will become clear.

The only way you are building a contender through pure free agency is if the top stars WANT to go to said team. LA sucks. NY Sucks. Both are much larger draws for top FA's right now.

What tier FA's will be looking for 2 year deals on a 22 win team?

[Red8911]

Threw together my first mock. Obviously what Cleveland decides to do determines the back half of the top 5, and for some reason it just feels like Cam Reddish is such a Cleveland type pick.

I see you picked Culver and that honestly would be a great pick up for the bulls. I know they need a PG first but they also need a wing player.

Right now all we have at SF is Porter and Hutchinson off the bench. Do we trust Hutchinson enough to be first guy off the bench or even start when Porter is out? I’m not so sure about that so they definitely need another player there especially one who can defend and shoot. Valentine is there too but who knows in what kind of condition he will be,after missing a year he needs a lot of time to get back.

[jump]

Because we've heard about these "(insert year here) plan" for years now. Two full boat free agents, yada, yada, yada....
If any star player really wants to come here, they will find their way here via trade right before their contract expires.

What I don't want to see is the Bulls restrict themselves to lesser talent by only offering shorter contracts, while selling fans on the "2021 plan". That is very Bulls-like.

Realistically, what is a FO supposed to do? The conditions are that the team is still very young and not strong enough yet to attract the top FAs. Also, we only have about $20 million to spend. So, this year is not going be the year to make a big move. The only other option is to plan ahead. And the time frame that makes most sense is to look to two years from now. As has been noted, the young players will be further along, the FO will better know who we really have, key salaries will be up for renewal, and we will be in the position of having significant cash to spend. It's not like the FO is "selling" a 2021 plan. It's that 2021 is the year that many key issues will become clear.

The only way you are building a contender through pure free agency is if the top stars WANT to go to said team. LA sucks. NY Sucks. Both are much larger draws for top FA's right now.

What tier FA's will be looking for 2 year deals on a 22 win team?

We're not going to be a 22 win team in two years. Get it?

[MeloRoseNoah]

Because we've heard about these "(insert year here) plan" for years now. Two full boat free agents, yada, yada, yada....
If any star player really wants to come here, they will find their way here via trade right before their contract expires.

What I don't want to see is the Bulls restrict themselves to lesser talent by only offering shorter contracts, while selling fans on the "2021 plan". That is very Bulls-like.

Realistically, what is a FO supposed to do? The conditions are that the team is still very young and not strong enough yet to attract the top FAs. Also, we only have about $20 million to spend. So, this year is not going be the year to make a big move. The only other option is to plan ahead. And the time frame that makes most sense is to look to two years from now. As has been noted, the young players will be further along, the FO will better know who we really have, key salaries will be up for renewal, and we will be in the position of having significant cash to spend. It's not like the FO is "selling" a 2021 plan. It's that 2021 is the year that many key issues will become clear.

The only way you are building a contender through pure free agency is if the top stars WANT to go to said team. LA sucks. NY Sucks. Both are much larger draws for top FA's right now.

What tier FA's will be looking for 2 year deals on a 22 win team?

Nobody wants to come to a 22 W team but a lot can change in two seasons. What happened if we end up being a playoff team in 2 years on the play of Lauri and WCJ who made serious improvements to their games?

You will be the same person that complained about us capping our potential bc we locked into overpaid contracts for role players.

[Jcool0]

People may be tired of it, but punting for flexibility is the best move. Keep your options open so you don't lock yourself into contracts you may regret immediately.

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Having cap space is great in theory except when all the A list talent say no and you give max money to a B list player.... Like giving Boozer 80 million....

[NewEra21]

People may be tired of it, but punting for flexibility is the best move. Keep your options open so you don't lock yourself into contracts you may regret immediately.

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Having cap space is great in theory except when all the A list talent say no and you give max money to a B list player.... Like giving Boozer 80 million....

Yea, but you have to have the cap space first to even get a seat at the table.

[Jcool0]

People may be tired of it, but punting for flexibility is the best move. Keep your options open so you don't lock yourself into contracts you may regret immediately.

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Having cap space is great in theory except when all the A list talent say no and you give max money to a B list player.... Like giving Boozer 80 million....

Yea, but you have to have the cap space first to even get a seat at the table.

And watch them give 100 million to Steven Adams.

[NewEra21]

Having cap space is great in theory except when all the A list talent say no and you give max money to a B list player.... Like giving Boozer 80 million....

Yea, but you have to have the cap space first to even get a seat at the table.

And watch them give 100 million to Steven Adams.

So you'd rather give all the money now to a bunch of C list and B list players instead of maybe having a shot at actual championship pieces?

[panthermark]

Realistically, what is a FO supposed to do? The conditions are that the team is still very young and not strong enough yet to attract the top FAs. Also, we only have about $20 million to spend. So, this year is not going be the year to make a big move. The only other option is to plan ahead. And the time frame that makes most sense is to look to two years from now. As has been noted, the young players will be further along, the FO will better know who we really have, key salaries will be up for renewal, and we will be in the position of having significant cash to spend. It's not like the FO is "selling" a 2021 plan. It's that 2021 is the year that many key issues will become clear.

The only way you are building a contender through pure free agency is if the top stars WANT to go to said team. LA sucks. NY Sucks. Both are much larger draws for top FA's right now.

What tier FA's will be looking for 2 year deals on a 22 win team?

Nobody wants to come to a 22 W team but a lot can change in two seasons. What happened if we end up being a playoff team in 2 years on the play of Lauri and WCJ who made serious improvements to their games?

You will be the same person that complained about us capping our potential bc we locked into overpaid contracts for role players.

If the young core is naturally improving to the point where THEY are carrying us to the play-offs with lesser FA's, how much better would we have been with higher level FA's initially? Or was it the role players (who capped us out) that carried us to the play-offs? And if that is the case, then it means the "core" isn't all that good and no FA's are coming here anyway.

[panthermark]

So you'd rather give all the money now to a bunch of C list and B list players instead of maybe having a shot at actual championship pieces?

If our "shot" involves banking on max FA's to come here, there isn't really a shot.

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This probably needs a separate thread....but I would like opinions on how much people believe in this core.

[Jcool0]

Yea, but you have to have the cap space first to even get a seat at the table.

And watch them give 100 million to Steven Adams.

So you'd rather give all the money now to a bunch of C list and B list players instead of maybe having a shot at actual championship pieces?

Who are these championship pieces? A 36 year old LeBron? A 32 year old Blake Griffin? 31 year old Paul George? Should they get the space for the one in a million shot at Giannis?

[Jcool0]

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[NewEra21]

And watch them give 100 million to Steven Adams.

So you'd rather give all the money now to a bunch of C list and B list players instead of maybe having a shot at actual championship pieces?

Who are these championship pieces? A 36 year old LeBron? A 32 year old Blake Griffin? 31 year old Paul George? Should they get the space for the one in a million shot at Giannis?

A 31 year old Paul George could be still be a damn good player. Players like Oladipo, Beal, Lillard, and yes even Giannis. Who knows who is going to want out in a couple years as well. You have to keep yourself flexible. Taking the one and a million percent shot at Giannis is better than blowing it all on 1st round playoff talent.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Hmm. Being opposed to 4 year contracts doesn’t make sense in a vacuum. Maybe there’s an underlying philosophy we’re not understanding? Like, only give 4 year deals to stars? Problem there is that doesn’t explain Zach’s deal. Or only give 4 year deals to wings (not PGs or big men)? In that case I don’t understand their willingness to burn top 10 draft capital on both positions.

The one explanation that doesn’t make sense is keeping the books clear for a star free agent in 2021. They should’ve learned their lesson about that by now. No star will want to come here unless this team gets WAY more competitive, and this team can’t get more competitive if they hamstring themselves with this “only 2 year deals” stuff.

I’m hoping this intel is coming from outside the Bulls’ inner decision-making circle. It flies in the face of KC’s reporting about the Bulls’ interest in Brogdon — and he’s usually not wrong about this stuff.

[Kurt Heimlich]

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I'm at a place where I think I'd rather take Cam over Hunter if Culver/Garland/White are all off the board. I just have never seen it with Hunter and being a 22yo rookie doesn't help things. But I will keep hoping someone in the top 5 loves him.