NBA Trade Thread

youngthegiant · Post #1881 » by **youngthegiant** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:11 pm

What do you guys think Dunn will cost in a s&t? Denver could use a defensive guard like him, also how does he do against SFs?

Charlesareed · Post #1882 » by **Charlesareed** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:14 pm

I say trade everyone keep coby he’s a Pg who plays defense and can score sign Brandon Ingram to a super max draft obi sign whiteside & then figure out rest later

kodo · Post #1883 » by **kodo** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:51 pm

youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think Dunn will cost in a s&t? Denver could use a defensive guard like him, also how does he do against SFs?

Probably nothing valuable if the board is in charge, most people don't want him on the team. It's tough to say what the new president thinks.

kodo · Post #1884 » by **kodo** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:02 am

sco wrote:Given the statements made by Philly about keeping Simmons and Embiid, I am doubting anything happens with either guy.

What about a deal to "help them" - trading Lauri and Hutch for Thybulle, Korkmaz and #21?

Yeah they fired their coach, that already tells everyone how they're going to handle next season in the short term. They're not going to sell low on Simmons/Embiid without seeing what a new coach brings. Probably tweak roleplayers.

sco · Post #1885 » by **sco** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:05 am

kodo wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think Dunn will cost in a s&t? Denver could use a defensive guard like him, also how does he do against SFs?

Probably nothing valuable if the board is in charge, most people don't want him on the team. It's tough to say what the new president thinks.

Please, we're done with Dunn! Let Denver have him for nothing!

scottyg · Post #1886 » by **scottyg** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:24 am

I still think the bulls need to Make a splash and move up from # 4 to #1 and draft Anthony Edwards to play at the SF spot next to Lavine and Coby White, or possibly offer Lauri Markannen and future Protected pick for the pick !

Charlesareed · Post #1887 » by **Charlesareed** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 3:57 am

scottyg wrote:I still think the bulls need to Make a splash and move up from # 4 to #1 and draft Anthony Edwards to play at the SF spot next to Lavine and Coby White, or possibly offer Lauri Markannen and future Protected pick for the pick !

Me and my coworkers have talked about this last week it’s best if we have 2 top 4 picks I’d also trade Lavine for the best package we can get he’s a no defense ball hog chucker

PlayerUp · Post #1888 » by **PlayerUp** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 5:54 am

youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think Dunn will cost in a s&t? Denver could use a defensive guard like him, also how does he do against SFs?

Won't work.

Since the Denver Nuggets aren't expect to have any cap space with the cap space potentially lowering upwards of $30m, that means we'd need to take on salary. Problem is you don't have any movable pieces and I highly doubt Kris Dunn accepts the MLE when he can just accept the qualifying offer, make more money and play out his contract.

sco · Post #1889 » by **sco** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 11:52 am

PlayerUp wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think Dunn will cost in a s&t? Denver could use a defensive guard like him, also how does he do against SFs?

Won't work.

Since the Denver Nuggets aren't expect to have any cap space with the cap space potentially lowering upwards of $30m, that means we'd need to take on salary. Problem is you don't have any movable pieces and I highly doubt Kris Dunn accepts the MLE when he can just accept the qualifying offer, make more money and play out his contract.

Oh - good point, I need to start rooting for the Bulls not to make the QO on Dunn. Dunn is the definition of a vet min player. As folks know here, I am rooting hard for Shaq to be our defensive specialist (preferably on a vet min deal). The key differentiator between Dunn and Shaq is that I have seen Shaq improve while here and Dunn got worse.

sco · Post #1890 » by **sco** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 1:16 pm

Here's one that I would go for:

Chicago: Lauri, Kornet for Minn: #17, Culver, Layman

gobullschi · Post #1891 » by **gobullschi** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 8:24 pm

Chicago Trades:
Otto Porter Jr., Chandler Hutchison, 2020 1st (#4), & 2020 2nd (#44)

Chicago Receives:
Al Horford, 2020 1st (#8), 2020 1st (#21), 2020 2nd (#34), & 2021 1st (NY - top 4 protected)

Philadelphia Trades:
Al Horford, 2020 1st (#21), & 2020 2nd (#34)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr. & 2020 2nd (#44)

New York Trades:
Kevin Knox, 2020 1st (#8), & 2021 1st (NY - top 4 protected)

New York Receives:
2020 1st (#4) & Chandler Hutchison

PG: Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
SG: Zach LaVine / Adam Mokono
SF: Devin Vassell / Kevin Knox
PF: Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
C: Al Horford / Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford

+ Jaden McDaniels (#21), Aleksei Pokusevski (#34), & 2 2021 1st Round Picks (NY & CHI)

I don’t believe the Bulls will be a prioritized free agency destination when Otto Porter Jr.’s contract expires. Chicago already has the cold weather that detracts many stars, but not making the playoffs since the 2016-2017 season will be the main factor. This is why I think the Bulls should use Otto Porter Jr.’s large expiring contract in a deal where Chicago absorbs a large contract for draft assets. Philadelphia could use Otto’s outside shooting and WCJ can be mentored by the guy we all wish he could turn into.

Use the two 2021 1st round draft picks & either Markkanen and/or WCJ to get a young star player and develop a young core that’s locked up long term on cheap contracts (White, Vassell, McDaniels, Knox, Pokusevski, & Gafford).

MrSparkle · Post #1892 » by **MrSparkle** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 8:56 pm

gobullschi wrote:Chicago Trades:
Otto Porter Jr., Chandler Hutchison, 2020 1st (#4), & 2020 2nd (#44)

Chicago Receives:
Al Horford, 2020 1st (#8), 2020 1st (#21), 2020 2nd (#34), & 2021 1st (NY - top 4 protected)

Philadelphia Trades:
Al Horford, 2020 1st (#21), & 2020 2nd (#34)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr. & 2020 2nd (#44)

New York Trades:
Kevin Knox, 2020 1st (#8), & 2021 1st (NY - top 4 protected)

New York Receives:
2020 1st (#4) & Chandler Hutchison

PG: Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
SG: Zach LaVine / Adam Mokono
SF: Devin Vassell / Kevin Knox
PF: Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
C: Al Horford / Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford

+ Jaden McDaniels (#21), Aleksei Pokusevski (#34), & 2 2021 1st Round Picks (NY & CHI)

I don’t believe the Bulls will be a prioritized free agency destination when Otto Porter Jr.’s contract expires. Chicago already has the cold weather that detracts many stars, but not making the playoffs since the 2016-2017 season will be the main factor. This is why I think the Bulls should use Otto Porter Jr.’s large expiring contract in a deal where Chicago absorbs a large contract for draft assets. Philadelphia could use Otto’s outside shooting and WCJ can be mentored by the guy we all wish he could turn into.

Use the two 2021 1st round draft picks & either Markkanen and/or WCJ to get a young star player and develop a young core that’s locked up long term on cheap contracts (White, Vassell, McDaniels, Knox, Pokusevski, & Gafford).

Horford is 34yo and has $80m/3y guaranteed. You want to take that and drop 4 spots in this year's draft, drastically improve Philadelphia by giving them a colossal upgrade in Otto over Al (not to mention a much better trade asset), and basically hope that Thibs gets us a protected lotto pick in a weak Eastern conference that must land between 5-12 for it be worthwhile? Kevin Knox is G-League material. He was outplayed last year by Mokoka, Shaq and Arci.

gobullschi · Post #1893 » by **gobullschi** » Tue Sep 1, 2020 10:05 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Chicago Trades:
Otto Porter Jr., Chandler Hutchison, 2020 1st (#4), & 2020 2nd (#44)

Chicago Receives:
Al Horford, 2020 1st (#8), 2020 1st (#21), 2020 2nd (#34), & 2021 1st (NY - top 4 protected)

Philadelphia Trades:
Al Horford, 2020 1st (#21), & 2020 2nd (#34)

Philadelphia Receives:
Otto Porter Jr. & 2020 2nd (#44)

New York Trades:
Kevin Knox, 2020 1st (#8), & 2021 1st (NY - top 4 protected)

New York Receives:
2020 1st (#4) & Chandler Hutchison

PG: Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
SG: Zach LaVine / Adam Mokono
SF: Devin Vassell / Kevin Knox
PF: Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
C: Al Horford / Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford

+ Jaden McDaniels (#21), Aleksei Pokusevski (#34), & 2 2021 1st Round Picks (NY & CHI)

I don’t believe the Bulls will be a prioritized free agency destination when Otto Porter Jr.’s contract expires. Chicago already has the cold weather that detracts many stars, but not making the playoffs since the 2016-2017 season will be the main factor. This is why I think the Bulls should use Otto Porter Jr.’s large expiring contract in a deal where Chicago absorbs a large contract for draft assets. Philadelphia could use Otto’s outside shooting and WCJ can be mentored by the guy we all wish he could turn into.

Use the two 2021 1st round draft picks & either Markkanen and/or WCJ to get a young star player and develop a young core that’s locked up long term on cheap contracts (White, Vassell, McDaniels, Knox, Pokusevski, & Gafford).

Horford is 34yo and has $80m/3y guaranteed. You want to take that and drop 4 spots in this year's draft, drastically improve Philadelphia by giving them a colossal upgrade in Otto over Al (not to mention a much better trade asset), and basically hope that Thibs gets us a protected lotto pick in a weak Eastern conference that must land between 5-12 for it be worthwhile? Kevin Knox is G-League material. He was outplayed last year by Mokoka, Shaq and Arci.

The last year in Horford’s deal is only partially guaranteed and there is a good chance that the amnesty clause gets brought back. Even at 34 years old, he might be the second best player on the Bulls. Regardless, the purpose of absorbing the salary is to add draft capital, which this deal accomplishes. I gave you my explanation on why I don’t think his salary will be an issue. What’s your reasoning for disagreement? Is it preventing the Bulls from doing something you want to see specifically?

The move does help Philadelphia right away, but OPJ will be an unrestricted free agent, so the timeframe is limited to one season of improvement.

Knicks probably do this deal for LaMelo Ball and he won’t have a drastic impact on wins and losses in his rookie season. I think the odds of the Knicks picking between 5-12 is pretty high and that draft class is much deeper than this one. My hope is the Bulls can package their 1st + Knicks 1st + (maybe other assets) to move into the top 5 in 2021 or a proven all star. IMO, it’s the most likely way the Bulls can get a difference maker.

Kevin Knox was the youngest player drafted in the 2018 draft and just turned 21 years old. He isn’t the cornerstone of the trade, so it’s an odd piece of the deal to criticize. There are a lot of Knicks fans who blame the coaching for Knoxs regression this season. It’s a good buy-low trade target.

Rose2Boozer · Post #1894 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 12:08 am

youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think Dunn will cost in a s&t? Denver could use a defensive guard like him, also how does he do against SFs?

Hopefully nothing. I think Dunn should be renounced. The Bulls have a strong three guard rotation with Lavine, White, and Satoransky. I wouldn't mind Valentine as the fourth, but he'll have to be playing on his QO. That being said, how AK feels is anyone's guess.

leo921 · Post #1895 » by **leo921** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 12:40 am

Boston probably wouldnt do it but as a Bulls fan would you do

Bulls trade White/4th pick/filler
for
Celtics trade Jaylen Brown/26th pick

Brown is a young 2 way stud, think Brown and Lavine would be hard to stop on the wings with Lauri spacing the floor. Dont think Boston would agree to the deal but this does a couple things for them like help there cap space outlook, controlled young assets, and depth.

tunit213 · Post #1896 » by **tunit213** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 4:33 am

Seems like the Warriors want to trade their 2nd pick. How about Markkanen to the Warriors for their 2nd pick? Who says no?

Bulls draft Ball and Wiseman. Carter has been complaining about wanting to play the 4.

Bulls
Ball
White
Lavine
Carter
Wiseman

Warriors
Curry
Thompson
Wiggins
Green
Markkanen

sco · Post #1897 » by **sco** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 12:08 pm

leo921 wrote:Boston probably wouldnt do it but as a Bulls fan would you do

Bulls trade White/4th pick/filler
for
Celtics trade Jaylen Brown/26th pick

Brown is a young 2 way stud, think Brown and Lavine would be hard to stop on the wings with Lauri spacing the floor. Dont think Boston would agree to the deal but this does a couple things for them like help there cap space outlook, controlled young assets, and depth.

White/#4/Lavine/Markkanen might be enough for Celts to discuss Brown.

sco · Post #1898 » by **sco** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 12:09 pm

tunit213 wrote:Seems like the Warriors want to trade their 2nd pick. How about Markkanen to the Warriors for their 2nd pick? Who says no?

Bulls draft Ball and Wiseman. Carter has been complaining about wanting to play the 4.

Bulls
Ball
White
Lavine
Carter
Wiseman

Warriors
Curry
Thompson
Wiggins
Green
Markkanen

You had me until you drafted Ball and Wiseman. :banghead:

drosereturn · Post #1899 » by **drosereturn** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 12:10 pm

youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think Dunn will cost in a s&t? Denver could use a defensive guard like him, also how does he do against SFs?

Hes worthless. I would renounce him so you can have him for free.
Its not like Denver has anything to give bc MPJ, Bol became stars overnight.

Hoop Student · Post #1900 » by **Hoop Student** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 2:01 pm

Sixers acquire: Beal, Bertans

Bulls acquire: Embiid, Richardson

WIzards acquire: Lavine, Lauri, 2 protected 1st round picks