The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

logical_art · Post #1881 » by **logical_art** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 3:44 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
logical_art wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:In no way does PWill have a full toolkit. That's just flatly wrong.

The entire appeal of PWill is that he's very good physically (although not great), and he's young enough (he's super young) that there's legit hope that he can develop his tools significantly. We've already seen improvements in his skills since college. He also seems solid/bright in his interviews.

I think the odds of him becoming a straight-up star are low (although not zero) as he'd need Kawhi/Butler outlier development. We'll know more on that front next season after he's had an entire offseason to train. But he seems a reasonable bet to becoming an above average starter on a playoff team at a position of value/versatility.

I don't think full toolkit means that someone is a perfect player. It means they have a bunch of tools available, especially adjusting for age. Do you disagree.

I disagree with the adjusting for age part. Things don't get graded on a scale on an NBA court.

Tools are improved over time in the NBA so in projecting a prime toolkit, you do grade on a scale.

TheSuzerain · Post #1882 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 3:55 pm

logical_art wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
logical_art wrote:
I don't think full toolkit means that someone is a perfect player. It means they have a bunch of tools available, especially adjusting for age. Do you disagree.

I disagree with the adjusting for age part. Things don't get graded on a scale on an NBA court.

Tools are improved over time in the NBA so in projecting a prime toolkit, you do grade on a scale.

If you're saying PWill "will have" or "can have" a full toolkit, I'm not going to jump in and disagree.

But he certainly doesn't have it at 19.

Post #1883 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 10:50 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #1884 » by **kulaz3000** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 11:22 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:

Read on Twitter

That's hilarious. Definitely put a smile on my face.

madvillian · Post #1885 » by **madvillian** » Tue Jan 5, 2021 11:30 pm

His hands are massive. I like that.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1886 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:54 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
logical_art wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:I disagree with the adjusting for age part. Things don't get graded on a scale on an NBA court.

Tools are improved over time in the NBA so in projecting a prime toolkit, you do grade on a scale.

If you're saying PWill "will have" or "can have" a full toolkit, I'm not going to jump in and disagree.

But he certainly doesn't have it at 19.

How many players do have that at 19? Not many. I see potential for him to be a great two-way player.

Clocian · Post #1887 » by **Clocian** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:36 am

Watch on YouTube

Our Rookie. Go Crazy Pat!

Dez · Post #1888 » by **Dez** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:44 am

I'm liking him more and more every game, kid is going to be good. Real good.

Post #1889 » by **kulaz3000** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 8:06 am

Remember when Bulls fans were up in arms about him choosing to wear number 9?

PlayerUp · Post #1890 » by **PlayerUp** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 8:10 am

Quality talent. Something Gar/Pax knew 0 about from 2012-2019.

RSP83 · Post #1891 » by **RSP83** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:34 pm

That pull up floater is already his signature move.

Just_Bullz · Post #1892 » by **Just_Bullz** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:50 pm

Android Pat has that poise not seen often for a 19 year old, so non-chalant. Most youngsters would have been yelling and jumping around too much.

ZOMG · Post #1893 » by **ZOMG** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:55 pm

RSP83 wrote:That pull up floater is already his signature move.

Last year, he would've been benched after attempting the first one.

Still not crazy about Pat's overall shot selection - although I'm not against utilizing the midrange, the contested pull-ups are rarely good decisions.

Hangtime84 · Post #1894 » by **Hangtime84** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:04 pm

After watching Portland. I hope works on side step 3s.

Bankshot · Post #1895 » by **Bankshot** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:23 pm

ZOMG wrote:
RSP83 wrote:That pull up floater is already his signature move.

Last year, he would've been benched after attempting the first one.

Still not crazy about Pat's overall shot selection - although I'm not against utilizing the midrange, the contested pull-ups are rarely good decisions.

What contested pull ups, not seeing what your saying at all...plus he's shooting 46% on 3's...the arrow is straight up for Pat

gobullschi · Post #1896 » by **gobullschi** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:26 pm

‘Project Pat’ is an awesome nickname. Gives me terminator vibes.

ZOMG · Post #1897 » by **ZOMG** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:42 pm

Bankshot wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
RSP83 wrote:That pull up floater is already his signature move.

Last year, he would've been benched after attempting the first one.

Still not crazy about Pat's overall shot selection - although I'm not against utilizing the midrange, the contested pull-ups are rarely good decisions.

What contested pull ups, not seeing what your saying at all...plus he's shooting 46% on 3's...the arrow is straight up for Pat

You know, the midrange pull up jumpers he takes that are contested.

Those ones. And I’m including the long, one handed floaters in this category as well.

Outside of a few three pointers, that’s like 90% of his offensive output.

FriedRise · Post #1898 » by **FriedRise** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:49 pm

Watch on YouTube

Man he plays the right way. He takes the shots that are given to him, doesn't force anything. When left open, he shoots. If somebody closes out, he attacks and goes for the pull-up jumper/floater. If they're packing the paint, he passes it out. He looks comfortable scoring from anywhere too. And on the other end, he defends. The sky's the limit for this kid.

Post #1899 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 4:51 pm

ZOMG wrote:
Bankshot wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
Last year, he would've been benched after attempting the first one.

Still not crazy about Pat's overall shot selection - although I'm not against utilizing the midrange, the contested pull-ups are rarely good decisions.

What contested pull ups, not seeing what your saying at all...plus he's shooting 46% on 3's...the arrow is straight up for Pat

You know, the midrange pull up jumpers he takes that are contested.

Those ones. And I’m including the long, one handed floaters in this category as well.

Outside of a few three pointers, that’s like 90% of his offensive output.

I was about to take your side about the contested jumpers until you wrote this. Why would you include uncontested floaters he creates off the dribble in the definition of “contested midrange jumpers”? Just because a beat defender is still somewhat proximate?

Anyway, he does take some occasional contested mid range jumpers and I’d like to see him do less of that for sure.

Bankshot · Post #1900 » by **Bankshot** » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:02 pm

DuckIII wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
Bankshot wrote:
What contested pull ups, not seeing what your saying at all...plus he's shooting 46% on 3's...the arrow is straight up for Pat

You know, the midrange pull up jumpers he takes that are contested.

Those ones. And I’m including the long, one handed floaters in this category as well.

Outside of a few three pointers, that’s like 90% of his offensive output.

I was about to take your side about the contested jumpers until you wrote this. Why would you include uncontested floaters he creates off the dribble in the definition of “contested midrange jumpers”? Just because a beat defender is still somewhat proximate?

Anyway, he does take some occasional contested mid range jumpers and I’d like to see him do less of that for sure.

Show me one contested jumper from last night, just 1...I'll be here waiting