NBA Trade Thread # 3

[ChiefILL53]

What do you guys think it takes to get Turner from the Pacers? I like his 3D ability next to Vuc.

[sco]

What do you guys think it takes to get Turner from the Pacers? I like his 3D ability next to Vuc.

We have almost nothing to trade. I would be fine if a Lauri S&T plus White/Sato/Thad gets us there. He's about as durable as Lauri though.

[leo921]

IF and yes i know huge IF... If we got lucky enough to get the 1st pick would you keep Cade or would you trade him for SGA or Ben Simmons?

Think either Simmons or SGA would make us extra dangerous and take us to a contender level as long as we can put solid role players around them, Lavine and Vuc.

[sco]

IF and yes i know huge IF... If we got lucky enough to get the 1st pick would you keep Cade or would you trade him for SGA or Ben Simmons?

Think either Simmons or SGA would make us extra dangerous and take us to a contender level as long as we can put solid role players around them, Lavine and Vuc.

You don't trade magic beans for cows on this board!

[ChettheJet]

If they were to fall into the #1 pick they could ask what other teams would offer. The point is to improve your team either with the pick or whatever somebody is willing to give up for it. If anybody offered 2 starters signed for a couple of years making less than max contracts you consider it but what team has a pair of players that good who they want to ditch for a raw rookie? Maybe you can get one starter signed for a couple of years and move down in the top 10, again that's needle in a haystack time.

[Chi town]

You’d have to think about trading the #1 for Morant.

Don’t know if Grizz would bite.

[gobullschi]

We know Nick Nurse is a big fan of Lauri Markkanen. What about Chris Boucher? He would be a great fit next to Nikola Vucevic.

Read on Twitter

Chicago:
Chris Boucher & Rodney Hood

Toronto:
Lauri Markkanen

Tomas Satoransky / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Troy Brown Jr.
Patrick Williams / Rodney Hood
Chris Boucher / Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic / Daniel Theis

[sco]

We know Nick Nurse is a big fan of Lauri Markkanen. What about Chris Boucher? He would be a great fit next to Nikola Vucevic.

Read on Twitter

Chicago:
Chris Boucher & Rodney Hood

Toronto:
Lauri Markkanen

Tomas Satoransky / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Troy Brown Jr.
Patrick Williams / Rodney Hood
Chris Boucher / Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic / Daniel Theis

Don't they have the capspace to sign him outright and not give up Boucher, who is exactly the sort of guy you'd want next to him?

[gobullschi]

We know Nick Nurse is a big fan of Lauri Markkanen. What about Chris Boucher? He would be a great fit next to Nikola Vucevic.

Read on Twitter

Chicago:
Chris Boucher & Rodney Hood

Toronto:
Lauri Markkanen

Tomas Satoransky / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Troy Brown Jr.
Patrick Williams / Rodney Hood
Chris Boucher / Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic / Daniel Theis

Don't they have the capspace to sign him outright and not give up Boucher, who is exactly the sort of guy you'd want next to him?

The Bulls could always match their offer.

I’m not sure what Toronto’s plan with Boucher is. With Lowry likely leaving, will they rebuild with a 28 year old Boucher? He will be a free agent after this season.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I’m a big Robert Williams fan, think he’s underrated. Also think he fits in perfectly as a 4 next to Vuc. Quick enough to defend 4s, and will be down low while Vuc operates around the perimeter.

And the Celtics may try and dump Kemba. What about a sign and trade of Lauri and Young for Kemba and Williams?

Kemba, Sato
Lavine, Coby
Pat Williams, TBJ
Robert Williams, Pat
Vuc, Robert Williams

[shrink]

Hi guys - MIN fan lurking. I saw some Rubio trades here, so I thought I would give you guys some perspective from the Wolves side.

If Rosas determines that Anthony Edwards will develop without Rubio, Rosas may look to trade him. Ricky’s first half next to DLo was pretty bad, and his improved number with and without Russell alongside may be unsustainable with MIN’s guard glut. The Wolves will be struggling to stay under the lux, particularly if they retain the salary from their Top Three protected pick. Sato makes some sense as a cheaper back up with Russell healthier. Thad could return too, with Jaden McDaniels moving to SF. But MIN would also value salary cap relief, or even a second rounder in next year’s draft, since they have no picks at all this summer.

I like Ricky in CHI organizing your offense, even more after your deadline moves. Everyone knows what Ricky can and cannot do, but there are two advantages for CHI that I don’t see people talking about. First, the last three years, Ricky has been there to help stardom improvements in Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, and Anthony Edwards. I would love to see if he can help LaVine improve to true stardom, and remember - he already knows where LaVine likes to receive the ball.

The other plus for CHI is financial. I know there is a lot of dreaming about turning cap space into a free agent star, but there are few stars left after all the extensions last year, and competition will be tight. Contracts will be high this year on stars, and even lesser players, who will want three guaranteed years, If CHI wants to retain flexibility for next year, and keep their powder dry, Ricky’s expiring may be more useful than a three year deal now. Ricky might be a good Plan B or C.

Lastly, avoid Wiggins. In CHI, I suspect his mind will wander again. And remember, if you are salary matching by sending the Warriors a sign-and-trade, you will hardcapped them again, and I think they are pretty tired of that.

Have a good season ..and off-season!

[TheStig]

We know Nick Nurse is a big fan of Lauri Markkanen. What about Chris Boucher? He would be a great fit next to Nikola Vucevic.

Read on Twitter

Chicago:
Chris Boucher & Rodney Hood

Toronto:
Lauri Markkanen

Tomas Satoransky / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Troy Brown Jr.
Patrick Williams / Rodney Hood
Chris Boucher / Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic / Daniel Theis

Would love to do a Lauri for Lowry sign and trade.

[ChettheJet]

thanks shrink for the long look from out of state. If MINN really sees Markkanen as their long term answer at PF this would be the time to get him while Towns and Russell are now veterans but still young enough to slightly shift their games to add someone new to start to win. Any more lottery seasons and they'll be looking at their own future and how to get of of MN. Thad might be a solid backup 4-5 for one year. I tend to be ready for the Bulls to move on from him because going into his 15th season you wonder about his stamina and durability. With Lauri and previously Carter and Porter being injured so frequently he piled up a lot of minutes for a guy that's been around as long as he has

I’m a big Robert Williams fan, think he’s underrated. Also think he fits in perfectly as a 4 next to Vuc. Quick enough to defend 4s, and will be down low while Vuc operates around the perimeter.

And the Celtics may try and dump Kemba. What about a sign and trade of Lauri and Young for Kemba and Williams?

Kemba, Sato
Lavine, Coby
Pat Williams, TBJ
Robert Williams, Pat
Vuc, Robert Williams

Williams is a player that you can get suckered into at times. He hasn't played heavy minutes or put up numbers in BOS but much of that could be tied to them having Tatum, Brown and Walker so they probably don't run plays for him when he does play. So if the Bulls bring hm over with Walker and add them to Vucevic, Lavine and Patrick who they barely ran plays for this year will RW be able to do any more than he did in BOS? A change of scenery can help players but if they just change teams and are still the forgotten 5th option how will the results be any different?


I'm not afraid to get Kemba Walker, he's only slightly less expensive than John Wall. He is injury prone but if it's only 5 games here and 10 there what the Bulls need is some young kid, maybe Devon Dotson or a young SG to take some minutes while Coby moves to start at PG in place of KW during those short term injuries.

[Chi town]

We know Nick Nurse is a big fan of Lauri Markkanen. What about Chris Boucher? He would be a great fit next to Nikola Vucevic.

Read on Twitter

Chicago:
Chris Boucher & Rodney Hood

Toronto:
Lauri Markkanen

Tomas Satoransky / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Troy Brown Jr.
Patrick Williams / Rodney Hood
Chris Boucher / Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic / Daniel Theis

Would love to do a Lauri for Lowry sign and trade.

Sign me up.

[shrink]

thanks shrink for the long look from out of state. If MINN really sees Markkanen as their long term answer at PF this would be the time to get him while Towns and Russell are now veterans but still young enough to slightly shift their games to add someone new to start to win. Any more lottery seasons and they'll be looking at their own future and how to get of of MN. Thad might be a solid backup 4-5 for one year. I tend to be ready for the Bulls to move on from him because going into his 15th season you wonder about his stamina and durability. With Lauri and previously Carter and Porter being injured so frequently he piled up a lot of minutes for a guy that's been around as long as he has.

I agree. And while I don’t want to turn your trade thread into a Timberwolves offshoot, I’ll give you a little more info because I think the Bulls and Wolves are likely trade partners this summer.

Power forward remains a big hole for MIN, but the local secret is that Rosas is starting to change his views. For 1.5 years, he was determined to only play one big, even when bigger teams had clear advantages. When they brought in Chris Finch, he was given the opportunity to experiment, and he even played Naz Reid alongside KAT a bit. In his exit presser, Rosas said he was going to look for rim protection, pick-and-roll defense, and rebounding if he adds a big. I would add “three point shooting” to maintain KAT’s match up advantages, but to me, that may be more Thad than Markannen. Also, Rubio is the vet leader of the team, and Thad may be a one-year bonus off-court if Rubio is dealt. But I agree with you - Thad is pretty old for a starting gig, and the Wolves will probably try to bring back Vanderbilt as a back up PF, who has two of the four qualities.

Overall, I think there are many different combinations of deals between MIN and CHI that would help both teams, and I think CHI is Rubio’s best destination. However, while I think these deals would help a little, they aren’t Plan A.

[Am2626]

You’d have to think about trading the #1 for Morant.

Don’t know if Grizz would bite.

Why would the Grizzlies do that? No team is going to trade their franchise player especially one that has gotten his team into the playoffs this year.

In hindsight the Bulls probably should have traded Rose the second he tore his ACL but that was never going to happen. Morant isn’t even injured but my point is Franchise Players never get traded by their respective teams.

People are overthinking this. If the Bulls get a top 4 pick they keep it. It’s not realistic to get a good enough return for that pick.

[shrink]

We know Nick Nurse is a big fan of Lauri Markkanen. What about Chris Boucher? He would be a great fit next to Nikola Vucevic.

Chicago:
Chris Boucher & Rodney Hood

Toronto:
Lauri Markkanen

Would love to do a Lauri for Lowry sign and trade.

Sign me up.

Ok, I promise I will shut up, but there was a lot of popularity recently on the Trade Board about a Naz Reid for Boucher swap, in some form, and that could affect the Bulls, increasing the Raptors interest in Markannen. Moreover, if they traded Lowry, they could be interested in Rubio as well. It feels like there is a three teamer in here somewhere ..

CHI GETS: Lowry (S&T)
CHI GIVES: Markannen (S&T) + Sato

TOR GETS: Markannen + Naz Reid + Rubio
TOR GIVES: Lowry + Boucher

MIN GETS: Boucher + Sato
MIN GIVES: Naz Reid + Rubio

If Naz (super contract) or Boucher are close in value, most of the remaining players here have close to neutral trade value, as (non-max) sign-and-trades will usually get the highest contract offered by the market. Maybe a little something needs to go to TOR. Anyway, you can play with it, but this seems to fill the holes that are being created by the rest of the trade. ::shrug::

[TheStig]

Would love to do a Lauri for Lowry sign and trade.

Sign me up.

Ok, I promise I will shut up, but there was a lot of popularity recently on the Trade Board about a Naz Reid for Boucher swap, in some form. If that happened, TOR would have an increased need for Markannen. Moreover, if they traded Lowry, they could be interested in Rubio as well. It feels like there is a three teamer in here somewhere ..

CHI GETS: Lowry (S&T)
CHI GIVES: Markannen (S&T) + Sato

TOR GETS: Markannen + Naz Reid + Rubio
TOR GIVES: Lowry + Boucher

MIN GETS: Boucher + Sato
MIN GIVES: Naz Reid + Rubio

If Naz (super contract) or Boucher are close in value, most of the remaining players here have close to neutral trade value, as (non-max) sign-and-trades will usually get the highest contract offered by the market. Maybe a little something needs to go to TOR. Anyway, you can play with it, but this seems to fill the holes that are being created by the rest of the trade. ::shrug::

I can't see that happening to be honest. Too complex and I think Toronto really likes Bocher.

But if Toronto is interested. Lauri on a 4/80 ish deal for Lowry on a 3/60ish deal would help both teams.

[shrink]

Can Siakim, Boucher, and Markannen all get enough minutes?

The interest in Naz was that he was a center. Do you see Markannen as their center?

[Chi town]

You’d have to think about trading the #1 for Morant.

Don’t know if Grizz would bite.

Why would the Grizzlies do that? No team is going to trade their franchise player especially one that has gotten his team into the playoffs this year.

In hindsight the Bulls probably should have traded Rose the second he tore his ACL but that was never going to happen. Morant isn’t even injured but my point is Franchise Players never get traded by their respective teams.

People are overthinking this. If the Bulls get a top 4 pick they keep it. It’s not realistic to get a good enough return for that pick.

I agree. Unless a player of Morant’s caliber is available.