Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[Jcool0]

The acquisition reminds me a little of the Suns signing Steve Nash. Obviously they're different players and were in different stages of their careers, but the similarities are that they were both undervalued by their previous team and then joined a team that fully catered to their strengths and play styles. I still feel like we could have gotten more from OKC in this deal, but it seems inevitable that this trade will historically be viewed as a big win for AKME and the Bulls.

FWIW Steve Nash was a 2x All Star & 2x All NBA PG who was 30 when he went to Phoenix. He has a down year in age 29 year and Cubin didn't think a soon to be 30 yr old on the downswing was worth paying. He improved with the Suns in big part because of the offense Mike D'Antoni runs which also super charged James Harden in Houston, going from a 7.5 assists combo guard in 2016 to an 11.5 assist PG in 2017 & winning the MVP in 2018.

Giddey was a 21 year old player with upside not yet fully realized that got replaced with an MVP level player and became expendable. Billy doesn't strike me as a D'Antoni technician style coach. He kind of just let's his players do there thing.

[WindyCityBorn]

The acquisition reminds me a little of the Suns signing Steve Nash. Obviously they're different players and were in different stages of their careers, but the similarities are that they were both undervalued by their previous team and then joined a team that fully catered to their strengths and play styles. I still feel like we could have gotten more from OKC in this deal, but it seems inevitable that this trade will historically be viewed as a big win for AKME and the Bulls.

FWIW Steve Nash was a 2x All Star & 2x All NBA PG who was 30 when he went to Phoenix. He has a down year in age 29 year and Cubin didn't think a soon to be 30 yr old on the downswing was worth paying. He improved with the Suns in big part because of the offense Mike D'Antoni runs which also super charged James Harden in Houston, going from a 7.5 assists combo guard in 2016 to an 11.5 assist PG in 2017 & winning the MVP in 2018.

Giddey was a 21 year old player with upside not yet fully realized that got replaced with an MVP level player and became expendable. Billy doesn't strike me as a D'Antoni technician style coach. He kind of just let's his players do there thing.

So you’re giving all credit to Giddey for our switch from plodding half court iso ball to free flowing fastest tempo in the league? Donovan has no part in it?

Obviously it doesn’t work without Giddey(or Ball when playing), but Donovan is putting these guys in position to succeed.

[Jcool0]

The acquisition reminds me a little of the Suns signing Steve Nash. Obviously they're different players and were in different stages of their careers, but the similarities are that they were both undervalued by their previous team and then joined a team that fully catered to their strengths and play styles. I still feel like we could have gotten more from OKC in this deal, but it seems inevitable that this trade will historically be viewed as a big win for AKME and the Bulls.

FWIW Steve Nash was a 2x All Star & 2x All NBA PG who was 30 when he went to Phoenix. He has a down year in age 29 year and Cubin didn't think a soon to be 30 yr old on the downswing was worth paying. He improved with the Suns in big part because of the offense Mike D'Antoni runs which also super charged James Harden in Houston, going from a 7.5 assists combo guard in 2016 to an 11.5 assist PG in 2017 & winning the MVP in 2018.

Giddey was a 21 year old player with upside not yet fully realized that got replaced with an MVP level player and became expendable. Billy doesn't strike me as a D'Antoni technician style coach. He kind of just let's his players do there thing.

So you’re giving all credit to Giddey for our switch from plodding half court iso ball to free flowing fastest tempo in the league? Donovan has no part in it?

Obviously it doesn’t work without Giddey(or Ball when playing), but Donovan is putting these guys in position to succeed.

95% .... Billy puts players in good position to succeed but isn't running a system.

[GuardianEnzo]

Giddey is averaging 20.5/10.6/9.5 in March/April over 14 games.

[WindyCityBorn]

Giddey is averaging 20.5/10/6/9.5 in March/April over 14 games.

What is the 6?

[GuardianEnzo]

Giddey is averaging 20.5/10/6/9.5 in March/April over 14 games.

What is the 6?

Sorry, 10.6 (rebounds).

[Dan Z]

What's Utahs cap space situation like? If I'm Ainge, and they get Flagg, then I'd probably do what I could to go after Giddey.

Hopefully nobody goes after him and the Bull sign Giddey to a reasonable contract, but I could see scenarios where other teams might make an offer.

[PJSteven22]

Yes.

We won’t know until the postseason, it’s looks promising.

Why? That will likely be 1-6 games. Why would that matter more than 30 games? I’m not saying it’s irrelevant. But the notion that somehow what we’ve seen doesn’t really count or something until we see how he plays in a few postseason games with a woefully incomplete roster doesn’t land.

Because the postseason has a higher degree of difficulty and teams actually game planning for him. If he can perform well under those circumstances then that bodes well for him more than likely.

[Dez]

We won’t know until the postseason, it’s looks promising.

Why? That will likely be 1-6 games. Why would that matter more than 30 games? I’m not saying it’s irrelevant. But the notion that somehow what we’ve seen doesn’t really count or something until we see how he plays in a few postseason games with a woefully incomplete roster doesn’t land.

Because the postseason has a higher degree of difficulty and teams actually game planning for him. If he can perform well under those circumstances then that bodes well for him more than likely.

Pretty naive to think teams haven't been game planning for him already.

[PJSteven22]

Why? That will likely be 1-6 games. Why would that matter more than 30 games? I’m not saying it’s irrelevant. But the notion that somehow what we’ve seen doesn’t really count or something until we see how he plays in a few postseason games with a woefully incomplete roster doesn’t land.

Because the postseason has a higher degree of difficulty and teams actually game planning for him. If he can perform well under those circumstances then that bodes well for him more than likely.

Pretty naive to think teams haven't been game planning for him already.

Not like in the postseason. Teams still leave him open from three and put smaller guys on him. It’s not naive. You’re always borderline insulting someone who doesn’t agree with you. It’s corny and childish.

[kodo]

Not like in the postseason. Teams still leave him open from three and put smaller guys on him. It’s not naive. You’re always borderline insulting someone who doesn’t agree with you. It’s corny and childish.

That would be a bad way to gameplan against the team's 2nd most accurate 3P shooter, but if Spo does it I'll take it. Giving a player space who can create doesn't mean Giddey just has to take a 3, being unguarded means he can charge into the paint and if a defender moves to cut him off it's almost automatically a foul since the defender by definition wasn't set. Drawing fouls has probably been one of his biggest strengths and but least talked about.

Post ASG Giddey has been better at drawing FTs than Jalen Williams, KAT, Curry, Lebron, Tatum, Durant, Booker. And a drawn foul is one of the only possessions better than an open 3.

Of course, with his age and non-star status he may just not get the calls. But that's always a possibility in the NBA you'll lose by officiating and there's nothing to do about it. Long term he & Coby just need to make the ASG.

[PJSteven22]

Not like in the postseason. Teams still leave him open from three and put smaller guys on him. It’s not naive. You’re always borderline insulting someone who doesn’t agree with you. It’s corny and childish.

That would be a bad way to gameplan against the team's 2nd most accurate 3P shooter, but if Spo does it I'll take it. Giving a player space who can create doesn't mean Giddey just has to take a 3, being unguarded means he can charge into the paint and if a defender moves to cut him off it's almost automatically a foul since the defender by definition wasn't set. Drawing fouls has probably been one of his biggest strengths and but least talked about.

Post ASG Giddey has been better at drawing FTs than Jalen Williams, KAT, Curry, Lebron, Tatum, Durant, Booker. And a drawn foul is one of the only possessions better than an open 3.

Of course, with his age and non-star status he may just not get the calls. But that's always a possibility in the NBA you'll lose by officiating and there's nothing to do about it. Long term he & Coby just need to make the ASG.

Yes but my bigger point that during most of this stretch still he’s not really treated like a guy that can score. Plus he hasn’t shown he can play at this level against elite teams like Cleveland or OKC.

[Almost Retired]

Not like in the postseason. Teams still leave him open from three and put smaller guys on him. It’s not naive. You’re always borderline insulting someone who doesn’t agree with you. It’s corny and childish.

That would be a bad way to gameplan against the team's 2nd most accurate 3P shooter, but if Spo does it I'll take it. Giving a player space who can create doesn't mean Giddey just has to take a 3, being unguarded means he can charge into the paint and if a defender moves to cut him off it's almost automatically a foul since the defender by definition wasn't set. Drawing fouls has probably been one of his biggest strengths and but least talked about.

Post ASG Giddey has been better at drawing FTs than Jalen Williams, KAT, Curry, Lebron, Tatum, Durant, Booker. And a drawn foul is one of the only possessions better than an open 3.

Of course, with his age and non-star status he may just not get the calls. But that's always a possibility in the NBA you'll lose by officiating and there's nothing to do about it. Long term he & Coby just need to make the ASG.

Yes but my bigger point that during most of this stretch still he’s not really treated like a guy that can score. Plus he hasn’t shown he can play at this level against elite teams like Cleveland or OKC.

The kid is 22 years old. His level of improvement since Lavine was traded has been remarkable. On both ends. The Giddey-Caruso trade benefitted both teams. But Josh is 22. Caruso is 31. Josh is going to get better and he has a long career ahead of him. It might be the best trade AKME have pulled off since they took over.

[PJSteven22]

That would be a bad way to gameplan against the team's 2nd most accurate 3P shooter, but if Spo does it I'll take it. Giving a player space who can create doesn't mean Giddey just has to take a 3, being unguarded means he can charge into the paint and if a defender moves to cut him off it's almost automatically a foul since the defender by definition wasn't set. Drawing fouls has probably been one of his biggest strengths and but least talked about.

Post ASG Giddey has been better at drawing FTs than Jalen Williams, KAT, Curry, Lebron, Tatum, Durant, Booker. And a drawn foul is one of the only possessions better than an open 3.

Of course, with his age and non-star status he may just not get the calls. But that's always a possibility in the NBA you'll lose by officiating and there's nothing to do about it. Long term he & Coby just need to make the ASG.

Yes but my bigger point that during most of this stretch still he’s not really treated like a guy that can score. Plus he hasn’t shown he can play at this level against elite teams like Cleveland or OKC.

The kid is 22 years old. His level of improvement since Lavine was traded has been remarkable. On both ends. The Giddey-Caruso trade benefitted both teams. But Josh is 22. Caruso is 31. Josh is going to get better and he has a long career ahead of him. It might be the best trade AKME have pulled off since they took over.

If I had a dollar for every time someone said he’s 22…I never said that he’s not going to get better. I’m just pointing out that that the schedule was soft and I would like to see do it against better teams. That’s why I think it’s important for him to get into the playoffs so he can show that improvement at the highest level. Even Giddey has stated that he looks to redeem himself in the postseason for last year. Which is important to note because he’s a restricted free agent and will likely receive 25-30 million AAV. He’s improving which is great but he still has some ways to go.

[Indomitable]

Because the postseason has a higher degree of difficulty and teams actually game planning for him. If he can perform well under those circumstances then that bodes well for him more than likely.

Pretty naive to think teams haven't been game planning for him already.

Not like in the postseason. Teams still leave him open from three and put smaller guys on him. It’s not naive. You’re always borderline insulting someone who doesn’t agree with you. It’s corny and childish.

Teams use size on him. He destroys smaller guys by basically bullying past them.

Dallas guarded him with centers to neutralize his drive. Your post just shows you did not watch the Maverick series.

Giddey needs to have his outside shot going for the center has to play in space. Giddey is strong enough power drive through most sf/of but Gafford was to strong.

Gafford was able to get far enough off of him to neutralize the speed difference.

Plus he will have the ball unlike Shai in OKC.

[PJSteven22]

That went about as I expected.

[Wingy]

Giddey’s a really good basketball player, and also a massive, massive pyrite nugget.

Don’t post much about the Bulls anymore, but paying him big bucks is a big mistake. That AK will easily fall into as so many on the board have…cause, this fan base is absolutely desperate for any kind of hope.

Yet, they are still the Definition of Infinite Mid…and continuing to put the keys in a guy like Giddey’s hands, so he can be successful as an individual, is a great way to keep them right there. Which the Bulls will absolutely do because as always, AKME is a bottom of the bottom tier FO in the entire league.

Conundrum killer my ass.

[Jcool0]

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[kodo]

Bobby Marks: "the average starting point guard salary next season is $38M...Giddey had a heck of a year..."

So maybe you think Giddey wants too much so you let him walk in FA for nothing. Then you go get an average PG...so you trade your 1st round draft pick for Immanuel Quickley. He makes $33M. How much better is the team really.

Tough decisions coming up.

[Lunartic]

Giddey’s a really good basketball player, and also a massive, massive pyrite nugget.

Don’t post much about the Bulls anymore, but paying him big bucks is a big mistake. That AK will easily fall into as so many on the board have…cause, this fan base is absolutely desperate for any kind of hope.

Yet, they are still the Definition of Infinite Mid…and continuing to put the keys in a guy like Giddey’s hands, so he can be successful as an individual, is a great way to keep them right there. Which the Bulls will absolutely do because as always, AKME is a bottom of the bottom tier FO in the entire league.

Conundrum killer my ass.

What do you consider the max amount the Bulls should pay Giddey?

Do you consider Giddey a starter-level player?