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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1901 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:24 pm

Dresden wrote:To get real change, the American people have to want it, too. And you need the cooperation of both branches of congress.


100% agree.

You could make a solid argument that controlling the House and/or Senate is more important than having control of the White House.

Need more people in the middle and willing to break away from their parties to vote for the other parties proposals.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1902 » by the ultimates » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:30 pm

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the ultimates wrote:The Last of US 2 is actually pretty good. The gameplay and graphics are great. Naughty Dog said from the beginning it's a revenge tale so certain things you know have to happen.


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Honest question what is a user score supposed to mean on Amazon or metacritic when we know it's being review bombed. Are there some valid criticisms about the story and the way it's told yes. The vast majority of the negative user reviews aren't doing that it's the game must be bad because lesbians, social justice warrior and a character I like died so it must be bad bs.
Losing to get high draft picks and hoping they turn into franchise players is not some next level, genius move. That's what teams want to happen in any rebuild/tank or whatever you want to market it as.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1903 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:36 pm

the ultimates wrote:Honest question what is a user score supposed to mean on Amazon or metacritic when we know it's being review bombed. Are there some valid criticisms about the story and the way it's told yes. The vast majority of the negative user reviews aren't doing that it's the game must be bad because lesbians, social justice warrior and a character I like died so it must be bad bs.


Positive review bombed as well and paid critics?

You can't deny people are angry with the game. Excluding the social justice/lesbians which for me isn't a big deal, it's what happened at the beginning, poor story telling, playing characters you didn't want to play and depressing ending. Not the game we needed for 2020. Cyberpunk will save 2020.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1904 » by the ultimates » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:57 pm

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the ultimates wrote:Honest question what is a user score supposed to mean on Amazon or metacritic when we know it's being review bombed. Are there some valid criticisms about the story and the way it's told yes. The vast majority of the negative user reviews aren't doing that it's the game must be bad because lesbians, social justice warrior and a character I like died so it must be bad bs.


Positive review bombed as well and paid critics?

You can't deny people are angry with the game. Excluding the social justice/lesbians which for me isn't a big deal, it's what happened at the beginning, poor story telling, playing characters you didn't want to play and depressing ending. Not the game we needed for 2020. Cyberpunk will save 2020.



How was the storytelling poor at the beginning? Yes you play as a different character but that character other than having different guns and the ability to craft bullets plays the same as Ellie. Playing as that character helps flesh out their story and motivations. The ending may be depressing but you can say the same about the first game. This isn't the typical ending of a game or movie where a character gets revenge and moves on and the credits roll. This game shows how revenge and the fuel for it causes the loss of the close people around you and nearly losing yourself. Cyberpunk is looking good but it's going to have to have a hell of a story to tell.
Losing to get high draft picks and hoping they turn into franchise players is not some next level, genius move. That's what teams want to happen in any rebuild/tank or whatever you want to market it as.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1905 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:14 pm

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Dresden wrote:It seems insignificant until Israel announces Iran is close to a weapon and wants us to start a war on their behalf. It was a major breakthrough in relations with a bitter foe of ours in the ME.


Other countries are still part of the Iran Deal.


Yes, they are, but all the teeth went out of the deal when the US pulled out, and we re-imposed economic sanctions. Not to mention that it gave the conservative factions in Iran a big boost, as they were saying all along that you can't trust the US on anything. And Trump proved them right, and made the more moderate factions in Iran look stupid and naive.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1906 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:17 pm

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I think people like Obama the person more than the politician. Despite what right-wing media will tell you, he was pretty moderate as a President.

The other thing he has going for him is that 2 of the 3 most recent Presidents have performed pretty poorly in the public’s eye (based entirely on approval polling not legislation or tweets).


It's hard to say what he might have tried to do if he didn't have to spend his first two years pulling the country out of the worst recession since the 1920's, too. Digging out from that whole consumed a large part of his presidency.

A major accomplishment of his was the Iran Nuclear Deal, which Trump so blithely tore up.

Eh, I strongly suspect they teamed up with North Korea and just do it there. It was all to easy for them to give up something that big. I think Iran just found a way out of the sanctions. It wouldn't surprise me if they were still working on nuclear tech.


Evidence on this? And how would they get the nuclear fuel from NK back to Iran exactly? Nuclear material is not easy to transport without being detected.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1907 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:20 pm

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Dresden wrote:To get real change, the American people have to want it, too. And you need the cooperation of both branches of congress.


100% agree.

You could make a solid argument that controlling the House and/or Senate is more important than having control of the White House.

Need more people in the middle and willing to break away from their parties to vote for the other parties proposals.


Obamacare is a good example. It was passed without a single republican vote, and as a result, it has been challenged repeatedly, and was almost repealed. And Trump has been slowly gutting it.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1908 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:36 pm

the ultimates wrote:How was the storytelling poor at the beginning? Yes you play as a different character but that character other than having different guns and the ability to craft bullets plays the same as Ellie. Playing as that character helps flesh out their story and motivations. The ending may be depressing but you can say the same about the first game. This isn't the typical ending of a game or movie where a character gets revenge and moves on and the credits roll. This game shows how revenge and the fuel for it causes the loss of the close people around you and nearly losing yourself. Cyberpunk is looking good but it's going to have to have a hell of a story to tell.


I would need to go into depth here which I prefer not to talk about on this forum since it's mainly about politics and covid-19. However some youtubers also go into depth about this and explain the bulk of issues with this game. Overall just the story in general, the way they treated the original characters poorly and out of character and the direction this game went I don't agree with nor do I think the majority of the people who played it. You may have liked it but clearly most didn't.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1909 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm

Dresden wrote:and was almost repealed. And Trump has been slowly gutting it.


You can repeal it if you have a better alternative which we don't so it should stay in place for now.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1910 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:44 pm

Dresden wrote:Yes, they are, but all the teeth went out of the deal when the US pulled out, and we re-imposed economic sanctions. Not to mention that it gave the conservative factions in Iran a big boost, as they were saying all along that you can't trust the US on anything. And Trump proved them right, and made the more moderate factions in Iran look stupid and naive.


They should be able to adjust and figure out how to make this work without the US being involved. Do we have to be involved in every single deal which forces us to also pay the most $ as well? Trump is right that the US pays for too many things. We're going to eventually have to make cuts to slash the deficit and other countries need to participate more. I do hope if Biden wins he can continue working trade deals with these other countries. Obviously caving to China is the wrong thing to do. Trump is right that trade deals need to be improved.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1911 » by the ultimates » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:31 pm

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the ultimates wrote:How was the storytelling poor at the beginning? Yes you play as a different character but that character other than having different guns and the ability to craft bullets plays the same as Ellie. Playing as that character helps flesh out their story and motivations. The ending may be depressing but you can say the same about the first game. This isn't the typical ending of a game or movie where a character gets revenge and moves on and the credits roll. This game shows how revenge and the fuel for it causes the loss of the close people around you and nearly losing yourself. Cyberpunk is looking good but it's going to have to have a hell of a story to tell.


I would need to go into depth here which I prefer not to talk about on this forum since it's mainly about politics and covid-19. However some youtubers also go into depth about this and explain the bulk of issues with this game. Overall just the story in general, the way they treated the original characters poorly and out of character and the direction this game went I don't agree with nor do I think the majority of the people who played it. You may have liked it but clearly most didn't.


And I'll bet you most of the reviews that didn't like it don't even voice a logical complaint. On metacritic it had 38,000 negative reviews after three days. There are highly rated games that don't even get 38,000 user reviews total so I think clearly some of those "majority" numbers are clearly apart of more than just normal criticism.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1912 » by TheStig » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:46 pm

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It's hard to say what he might have tried to do if he didn't have to spend his first two years pulling the country out of the worst recession since the 1920's, too. Digging out from that whole consumed a large part of his presidency.

A major accomplishment of his was the Iran Nuclear Deal, which Trump so blithely tore up.

Eh, I strongly suspect they teamed up with North Korea and just do it there. It was all to easy for them to give up something that big. I think Iran just found a way out of the sanctions. It wouldn't surprise me if they were still working on nuclear tech.


Evidence on this? And how would they get the nuclear fuel from NK back to Iran exactly? Nuclear material is not easy to transport without being detected.

Nuclear material is not the problem. The scientist and the knowledge is easy to move. NK already has material.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1913 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:02 pm

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Dresden wrote:Yes, they are, but all the teeth went out of the deal when the US pulled out, and we re-imposed economic sanctions. Not to mention that it gave the conservative factions in Iran a big boost, as they were saying all along that you can't trust the US on anything. And Trump proved them right, and made the more moderate factions in Iran look stupid and naive.


They should be able to adjust and figure out how to make this work without the US being involved. Do we have to be involved in every single deal which forces us to also pay the most $ as well? Trump is right that the US pays for too many things. We're going to eventually have to make cuts to slash the deficit and other countries need to participate more. I do hope if Biden wins he can continue working trade deals with these other countries. Obviously caving to China is the wrong thing to do. Trump is right that trade deals need to be improved.


We didn't pay for anything in the Iran deal, other than the share we contribute to the IAEA. The money we gave to Iran was their own money, that we had put a freeze on at some point. This is a big deception foisted on the American public by right wing media that we "paid" Iran billions of dollars to enter into this deal. That was never our money.

And yes, we did have to be involved in that deal since it was the US that was spearheading the economic sanctions that Iran was so desperate to have lifted.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1914 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:05 pm

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TheStig wrote:Eh, I strongly suspect they teamed up with North Korea and just do it there. It was all to easy for them to give up something that big. I think Iran just found a way out of the sanctions. It wouldn't surprise me if they were still working on nuclear tech.


Evidence on this? And how would they get the nuclear fuel from NK back to Iran exactly? Nuclear material is not easy to transport without being detected.

Nuclear material is not the problem. The scientist and the knowledge is easy to move. NK already has material.


Nuclear material IS the problem for Iran. They don't have the capability to enrich it. More than likely, they have the technical know how to actually put one together. But getting enough enriched material is where the hold up is, and that is how the nuclear agreement worked- it locked up the centrifuges they needed to produce material, it dismantled a heavy reactor that could produce materials, and it controlled the sites where nuclear raw material was being mined in Iran.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1915 » by moorhosj » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:40 pm

PlayerUp wrote:Cyberpunk will save 2020.


Please do not jinx this game by hyping it up.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1916 » by DASMACKDOWN » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:53 pm

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1917 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:02 pm

"Florida’s Department of Health on Friday morning confirmed 8,942 new cases, nearly double the previous daily record, set on Wednesday. The case total in the state now stands at 122,960, with more than 3,400 deaths. About 81 percent of adult intensive care unit beds were full as of Wednesday.

Rebekah Jones, the former supervisor for the state’s coronavirus data dashboard, was fired in May after claiming that her supervisors were attempting to make her manipulate data for political reasons. She claimed this week that Florida officials were continuing to twist data to make their response look better."
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Post#1918 » by Dresden » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:04 pm

Interesting moment at today's Corona Task Force Briefing. After Pence said that the most important thing people can do right now is to follow the advice of local officials, he was asked by a reporter why, then, did the president hold his campaign rally in Tulsa, when local health officials there were telling them it was a bad idea.
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Post#1919 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:06 pm

moorhosj wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:Cyberpunk will save 2020.


Please do not jinx this game by hyping it up.


Top youtubers reported yesterday they played 5 hours of the game and it was mind bogging how amazing the game was. They were overwelmed.
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Post#1920 » by PlayerUp » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:08 pm

Dresden wrote:]We didn't pay for anything in the Iran deal, other than the share we contribute to the IAEA. The money we gave to Iran was their own money, that we had put a freeze on at some point. This is a big deception foisted on the American public by right wing media that we "paid" Iran billions of dollars to enter into this deal. That was never our money.

And yes, we did have to be involved in that deal since it was the US that was spearheading the economic sanctions that Iran was so desperate to have lifted.


That's right frozen assets. To be honest I kinda lost track of the entire deal. Anyway we can always go back to the deal if need be. The foundation is in place and other countries still supporting it so it's not a big deal. Least of our worries.

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