Bears 7.0: 2024 Season thread

[Dresden]

I agree that the offense has been really stinky, but I think it's too early to say that's on Waldron. They looked at a lot of candidates for that position and they chose Waldron. I have to believe there was a good process that went into making that decision. He ssems to be highly regarded around the league.

fwiw - Kmet on his 85 podcast even said he thought Waldron called a good game and that it's up to the players to execute better.

Word is the coaching staff and leadership committee had a meeting and Eberflus told the players to keep everything in house. Wouldn’t be shocked if that’s why his response is the way it is.

Or do we think Kmet is all of a sudden okay with being targeted only once, again?


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That's hilarious if the fact that they had a closed door meeting to tell everyone to keep things in house has already been leaked to the media?

[nitetrain8603]

fwiw - Kmet on his 85 podcast even said he thought Waldron called a good game and that it's up to the players to execute better.

Word is the coaching staff and leadership committee had a meeting and Eberflus told the players to keep everything in house. Wouldn’t be shocked if that’s why his response is the way it is.

Or do we think Kmet is all of a sudden okay with being targeted only once, again?


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That's hilarious if the fact that they had a closed door meeting to tell everyone to keep things in house has already been leaked to the media?

Yep Courtney Cronin was talking about it in the radio and how if it’s all the leaders having the same message then the problem lies within the coaching staff and not the media. She seemed irk that Eberflus is trying to put blame on the players and media is what I gathered


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[dice]

he's been bad this season and was bad 1st half of last season as well

He’s been fine.

he's definitely been good. there's a handful of moments you can point to that he was taken advantage of but he's been good. and other than the one big pass play to McLarin, he was lockdown all game.

how do you know he was locking guys down when most secondary action is not visible on TV? and were you seriously consistently focusing on tyrique stevenson when he WAS on screen?

PFF data

byard:

85.7 season grade (elite)
76.2 passer rating allowed
11 receptions allowed
426 snaps

JJ:

77.1 season grade (excellent)
35.8 passer rating allowed
12 receptions allowed
426 snaps

gordon:

68.0 season grade (good)
93.0 passer rating allowed
16 receptions allowed
280 snaps

brisker:

65.3 season grade (good)
65.5 passer rating allowed
9 receptions allowed
293 snaps

tyrique:

52.1 season grade (awful)
85.1 passer rating allowed
23 receptions allowed (16.4 per - active career WR leader is AJ brown at 15.9)
363 snaps

[dice]

My suspicion is if the Bears make the playoffs, people will largely move on, but if they miss out, probably not so much.

It will all come down to those 6 divisional games. I think we need to go at least 2-4 in them in order for the team to feel like it's headed in the right direction. I feel like the offense is really close taking off- this last game was a set back for sure, but there are signs that things are improving. Swift is playing like we hoped he would. We're good in the red zone. Sometimes just minor improvements can create big results. I'm hoping that's the case with the offense, because our defense is already at a top 5-10 level.

The Bears are 4-3 now. If they go 2-4 in divisional games, setting aside the order in which they will be played, that means a record of 6-7 before accounting for the remaining 4 non-divisional games (Cardinals, Pats, Niners, Seahawks). For Flus to be off the hot seat, I suspect they'd need to take 3 of those 4 to have a winning record, which seems plausible but far from certain.

I honestly feel like the Bears still *could* win 9 or 10 games. I'm sort of suspecting the Vikings to slide a bit. You probably need to win both those games and then try to split the GB/Detroit games, which will be tough.

at lions is the only game i see as an obvious uphill battle right now

i think you're right that 9-8 might get flus another year, but an extension based on that would be tough to swallow. and is he really gonna be a lame duck next season? most coaches are either extended or fired prior to their contract ending

9-8 and missing the playoffs by 1 game to washington (or anyone, really) would be real tough. an enduring reminder of a game flus would love to forget

FWIW, the niners are currently projected to be 7 seed at 10 wins

[Dresden]

He’s been fine.

he's definitely been good. there's a handful of moments you can point to that he was taken advantage of but he's been good. and other than the one big pass play to McLarin, he was lockdown all game.

how do you know he was locking guys down when most secondary action is not visible on TV? and were you seriously consistently focusing on tyrique stevenson when he WAS on screen?

PFF data

byard:

85.7 season grade (elite)
76.2 passer rating allowed
11 receptions allowed
426 snaps

JJ:

77.1 season grade (excellent)
35.8 passer rating allowed
12 receptions allowed
426 snaps

gordon:

68.0 season grade (good)
93.0 passer rating allowed
16 receptions allowed
280 snaps

brisker:

65.3 season grade (good)
65.5 passer rating allowed
9 receptions allowed
293 snaps

tyrique:

52.1 season grade (awful)
85.1 passer rating allowed
23 receptions allowed (16.4 per - active career WR leader is AJ brown at 15.9)
363 snaps

Is Tyrique's grade lowered though because of the fact that they don't throw much at JJ, so Tyrique gets an inordinate amount of balls thrown his way? And thus has allowed more receptions? I don't think PFF grades are the be all and end all either.

[jnrjr79]

It will all come down to those 6 divisional games. I think we need to go at least 2-4 in them in order for the team to feel like it's headed in the right direction. I feel like the offense is really close taking off- this last game was a set back for sure, but there are signs that things are improving. Swift is playing like we hoped he would. We're good in the red zone. Sometimes just minor improvements can create big results. I'm hoping that's the case with the offense, because our defense is already at a top 5-10 level.

The Bears are 4-3 now. If they go 2-4 in divisional games, setting aside the order in which they will be played, that means a record of 6-7 before accounting for the remaining 4 non-divisional games (Cardinals, Pats, Niners, Seahawks). For Flus to be off the hot seat, I suspect they'd need to take 3 of those 4 to have a winning record, which seems plausible but far from certain.

I honestly feel like the Bears still *could* win 9 or 10 games. I'm sort of suspecting the Vikings to slide a bit. You probably need to win both those games and then try to split the GB/Detroit games, which will be tough.

at lions is the only game i see as an obvious uphill battle right now

i think you're right that 9-8 might get flus another year, but an extension based on that would be tough to swallow. and is he really gonna be a lame duck next season? most coaches are either extended or fired prior to their contract ending

9-8 and missing the playoffs by 1 game to washington (or anyone, really) would be real tough. an enduring reminder of a game flus would love to forget

FWIW, the niners are currently projected to be 7 seed at 10 wins

Yeah, I think the following is probably true:

1) Flus gets to play out the season no matter what
2) A playoff berth definitely saves his job
3) A winning record probably, but not definitely, saves his job (missing out on the playoffs by one game and thinking about how coaching better probably gets the team in - maybe they let him go with that rationale)
4) A losing record puts him squarely on the hot seat and the only thing that saves him here is a belief that Caleb needs continuity to develop

[patryk7754]

I still have the feeling that the current coaching staff/roster was setup in a way that if Poles felt the need to move on Eberflus, he can bring in Pete Carroll in with little to no changes. Carroll is an obvious upgrade at coach and it would be a great addition and from Poles perspective, Carroll would probably consider keeping at least Waldron (avoiding the dreaded OC turnover for young QBs). Washington seems to be a Carroll type of coach as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if the foundation of our coaching staff stays mostly the same.

If that is Poles strategy, it isn't even that bad in theory. Carroll would clearly have this team more prepared and if her was here this year, I would say we probably beat the Colts and Commanders. I would also think Carroll would force Waldron to have a more reigned in gameplan with a bigger emphasis on running. But, it would still come down to if Waldron has the ability to learn from his mistakes. He's only shown that he's willing to give something else a try for a couple of weeks and then revert back to the stuff that got him in trouble. Which has been the down fall for way to many offensive coaches in chicago. Ironically, the only one who didn't have that problem here in recent memory is Adam Gase and Ben Johnson was on his coaching staff.

[Dresden]

I still have the feeling that the current coaching staff/roster was setup in a way that if Poles felt the need to move on Eberflus, he can bring in Pete Carroll in with little to no changes. Carroll is an obvious upgrade at coach and it would be a great addition and from Poles perspective, Carroll would probably consider keeping at least Waldron (avoiding the dreaded OC turnover for young QBs). Washington seems to be a Carroll type of coach as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if the foundation of our coaching staff stays mostly the same.

If that is Poles strategy, it isn't even that bad in theory. Carroll would clearly have this team more prepared and if her was here this year, I would say we probably beat the Colts and Commanders. I would also think Carroll would force Waldron to have a more reigned in gameplan with a bigger emphasis on running. But, it would still come down to if Waldron has the ability to learn from his mistakes. He's only shown that he's willing to give something else a try for a couple of weeks and then revert back to the stuff that got him in trouble. Which has been the down fall for way to many offensive coaches in chicago. Ironically, the only one who didn't have that problem here in recent memory is Adam Gase and Ben Johnson was on his coaching staff.

Isn't Carroll in his mid 70's? I dont think he would the kind of coach we'd bring in.

[Almost Retired]

I still have the feeling that the current coaching staff/roster was setup in a way that if Poles felt the need to move on Eberflus, he can bring in Pete Carroll in with little to no changes. Carroll is an obvious upgrade at coach and it would be a great addition and from Poles perspective, Carroll would probably consider keeping at least Waldron (avoiding the dreaded OC turnover for young QBs). Washington seems to be a Carroll type of coach as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if the foundation of our coaching staff stays mostly the same.

If that is Poles strategy, it isn't even that bad in theory. Carroll would clearly have this team more prepared and if her was here this year, I would say we probably beat the Colts and Commanders. I would also think Carroll would force Waldron to have a more reigned in gameplan with a bigger emphasis on running. But, it would still come down to if Waldron has the ability to learn from his mistakes. He's only shown that he's willing to give something else a try for a couple of weeks and then revert back to the stuff that got him in trouble. Which has been the down fall for way to many offensive coaches in chicago. Ironically, the only one who didn't have that problem here in recent memory is Adam Gase and Ben Johnson was on his coaching staff.

Pete Carroll was a great coach. But he's 72 years old. If we make a move off of Flus I want one of the young guns, specifically Ben Johnson. The stars might align on this one. Johnson might have snared a HC slot after last season but elected to stay another year with the Lions. He's the perfect coach for our roster. I think the Lions go into the playoff and if they do well and their offense stays impressive then he will be the #1 candidate for a promotion to HC. He'd be worth the cost. With our weapons he'd have our offense clicking.

[patryk7754]

I still have the feeling that the current coaching staff/roster was setup in a way that if Poles felt the need to move on Eberflus, he can bring in Pete Carroll in with little to no changes. Carroll is an obvious upgrade at coach and it would be a great addition and from Poles perspective, Carroll would probably consider keeping at least Waldron (avoiding the dreaded OC turnover for young QBs). Washington seems to be a Carroll type of coach as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if the foundation of our coaching staff stays mostly the same.

If that is Poles strategy, it isn't even that bad in theory. Carroll would clearly have this team more prepared and if her was here this year, I would say we probably beat the Colts and Commanders. I would also think Carroll would force Waldron to have a more reigned in gameplan with a bigger emphasis on running. But, it would still come down to if Waldron has the ability to learn from his mistakes. He's only shown that he's willing to give something else a try for a couple of weeks and then revert back to the stuff that got him in trouble. Which has been the down fall for way to many offensive coaches in chicago. Ironically, the only one who didn't have that problem here in recent memory is Adam Gase and Ben Johnson was on his coaching staff.

Pete Carroll was a great coach. But he's 72 years old. If we make a move off of Flus I want one of the young guns, specifically Ben Johnson. The stars might align on this one. Johnson might have snared a HC slot after last season but elected to stay another year with the Lions. He's the perfect coach for our roster. I think the Lions go into the playoff and if they do well and their offense stays impressive then he will be the #1 candidate for a promotion to HC. He'd be worth the cost. With our weapons he'd have our offense clicking.

Johnson is definitely my first second and third choice but I’m not as confident as I would like to be in the idea of signing him. You could have argued he was the number one candidate last season even amongst literal great of all time candidates and we still didn’t pull the trigger. And I think it would have made more sense to move on before bring in caleb, especially since poles acknowledged how important it is to have coaching stability for a young QB. Hiring Carroll give the bears the best shot at doing that while moving on from Eberflus.

But yeah, keeping the same offense is much less of a priority for me to signing Ben Johnson and probably a few other coaches

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Flus might be feeling the pressure to change his perfect composure before somebody above him in the food chain **** it up

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[Chi town]

I still have the feeling that the current coaching staff/roster was setup in a way that if Poles felt the need to move on Eberflus, he can bring in Pete Carroll in with little to no changes. Carroll is an obvious upgrade at coach and it would be a great addition and from Poles perspective, Carroll would probably consider keeping at least Waldron (avoiding the dreaded OC turnover for young QBs). Washington seems to be a Carroll type of coach as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if the foundation of our coaching staff stays mostly the same.

If that is Poles strategy, it isn't even that bad in theory. Carroll would clearly have this team more prepared and if her was here this year, I would say we probably beat the Colts and Commanders. I would also think Carroll would force Waldron to have a more reigned in gameplan with a bigger emphasis on running. But, it would still come down to if Waldron has the ability to learn from his mistakes. He's only shown that he's willing to give something else a try for a couple of weeks and then revert back to the stuff that got him in trouble. Which has been the down fall for way to many offensive coaches in chicago. Ironically, the only one who didn't have that problem here in recent memory is Adam Gase and Ben Johnson was on his coaching staff.

Pete Carroll was a great coach. But he's 72 years old. If we make a move off of Flus I want one of the young guns, specifically Ben Johnson. The stars might align on this one. Johnson might have snared a HC slot after last season but elected to stay another year with the Lions. He's the perfect coach for our roster. I think the Lions go into the playoff and if they do well and their offense stays impressive then he will be the #1 candidate for a promotion to HC. He'd be worth the cost. With our weapons he'd have our offense clicking.

Yep. He’s got to be the target for Poles. I’d keep our DC too for continuity.

I think CW is doing what he’s doing despite Waldron and Flus. He’s got a long ways to go but I do t think he’s hey are helping him.

Ben Johnson seems to be McVeigh 2.0.

[Chi town]

Stroud looks mediocre when he gets pressure in his face from the interior line. He has the worst in the league in terms of giving up sacks.

Basically what CW deals with weekly.

[Dresden]

Well not quite Tyrique level stupidity, but the Jets WR just let go of the ball before he crossed the goal line. touchback, Texans ball.

[Almost Retired]

Stroud looks mediocre when he gets pressure in his face from the interior line. He has the worst in the league in terms of giving up sacks.

Basically what CW deals with weekly.

Reinforces the need to have a strong O-Line and a disruptive pass rush. I'd really like to use our 1st pick on a disruptive EDGE like Jack Sawyer or Nic Scourton. But we might have to spend that pick on a Left Tackle.

[Dresden]

Bears are 1 pt underdogs on the road in AZ. It's just about a must win for the Bears if they want to make the playoffs, and the pressure will really be on them after last week's fiasco. And the O line is really beat up. It would be nice to see a 15 point win.

Also, I read somewhere that signs are pointing to Tyrique losing his start for this game.

[Jeffster81]

Well not quite Tyrique level stupidity, but the Jets WR just let go of the ball before he crossed the goal line. touchback, Texans ball.

No, it's the same level stupidity.

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[Susan]

Stroud looks mediocre when he gets pressure in his face from the interior line. He has the worst in the league in terms of giving up sacks.

Basically what CW deals with weekly.

Basically what CW (AND JUSTIN) dealt with weekly.

Never should have kept Eberflus but if you were going to - there's no reason to draft a rookie franchise QB and pair him with a lame duck HC for the 3rd time in a row.

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Eberflus, Getsy, Waldron and Poles arrow is pointed downwards currently.

Monty, Fields and Mooney's arrows are all pointed upwards. When Jenkins walks and figures it out, it will not be a surprise to anybody.