Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

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Had big issues with his offensive coaching staff after Arthur Smith left which was a big reason he was fired.

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Sounds like Adam is laying the seeds for Ben Johnson already.

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[Dresden]

About Caleb changing the play at the LOS- I thought I read somewhere that at some point he realized this was going to be their final play, so he changed the play to have Odunze go deep, figuring they needed a TD to win.

And if Odunze hadn't stopped running, he might have had a chance at that pass.

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[jnrjr79]

No, this is silly. Flus should have called it with 32 left, but if he was going to go hurry-up, then there obviously needs to be a drop-dead point on the clock (15 secs, 12 secs, whatever) where he calls the timeout and resets to ensure they can run 2 plays.

this exactly. And also as soon as Flus saw Caleb was changing the play, any halfway decent coach could calculate easily in his head at that point that it was going to take too long, and should have immediately called the timeout. Do literally anything but what he did in that moment.

What seems to be getting missed is:

WHY THE HELL WAS THE QB CHANGING THE PLAY?!?!?!

This is not being missed and has been widely reported. When Flus failed to take a timeout and the offense failed to get up to the line and set with enough time to run 2 plays, Caleb changed the play because he had to. Whatever they had drawn up was not a TD-seeking play. Once there was only enough time to run one, Caleb changed it to something that could result in a TD. I’m sure Caleb just calling TO himself to preserve two plays would have been a wildly better choice, but he admitted he felt whether to call a TO was a decision for the HC.

I would note that Caleb feeling empowered to change the play in response to an end-of-game emergency but not feeling empowered to call a timeout is ultimately a coaching issue.

The one thing I don’t understand is why it took so long for the players to get set to run the play. This, though, is at least also partially on coaching (though perhaps minimally Eberflus himself, depending on his level of involvement in hurry-up preparation).

[TheSuzerain]

I'd draft Mason Graham if he's on the board In round 1.

I like Graham too. But we need a legit Left Tackle. I'd draft Will Campbell. Offensive tackles are harder to come by which is why they go so high in the draft and cost so much to resign. Draft Campbell if he's on the board. Use the 2nd round picks for an EDGE and a O-Guard. Use cap money to get some additional veteran O-Line help. Draft either a Safety or a TE with the 3rd rounder. I love Gunnar Helm of Texas at TE but he'll go earlier in the 2nd round. You can have all the great receivers and tight ends you want but they do you no good if Caleb is getting crushed within 1.5 seconds of taking the snap due to his two Offensive tackles whiffing on their blocks. As much as Eberflus crapped in his pants at the end of that Lions game we really lost the game by giving up that sack at the end. It was inexcusable. A total breakdown of the O-Line protection.

There's some question on whether Campbell sticks at tackle.

I think ideally they go pay Ronnie Stanley and Trey Smith which directly fixes the OLine via FA. Maybe you still draft one early but it would be a BPA situation rather than out of pure need.

[TheSuzerain]

What do we think of Belichek? It intrigues me just because he'd transform the whole operation.

[mack2354]

If the Bears lose 1 of their next 2 games, I'd like to see a semi tank on the defensive side of the ball. The offense needs to go 100% so we can develop Caleb and evaluate our interim hc but I see nothing to gain or prove on the opposite side of the ball.

Brisker needs to be shutdown. No use risking another concussion in a losing season. Sweat has been playing hobbled. No reason for him to potentially cause long term problems. Shut him down too.

I'd have the other proven studs on defense only playing 60% of the snaps. That includes Johnson, K. Gordon, Byard, and Dexter. Use the rest of the games to evaluate the young defensive players so we have a better idea of what we need to do in Free Agency and the draft.

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[chitownsports4ever]

this exactly. And also as soon as Flus saw Caleb was changing the play, any halfway decent coach could calculate easily in his head at that point that it was going to take too long, and should have immediately called the timeout. Do literally anything but what he did in that moment.

What seems to be getting missed is:

WHY THE HELL WAS THE QB CHANGING THE PLAY?!?!?!

This is not being missed and has been widely reported. When Flus failed to take a timeout and the offense failed to get up to the line and set with enough time to run 2 plays, Caleb changed the play because he had to. Whatever they had drawn up was not a TD-seeking play. Once there was only enough time to run one, Caleb changed it to something that could result in a TD. I’m sure Caleb just calling TO himself to preserve two plays would have been a wildly better choice, but he admitted he felt whether to call a TO was a decision for the HC.

I would note that Caleb feeling empowered to change the play in response to an end-of-game emergency but not feeling empowered to call a timeout is ultimately a coaching issue.

The one thing I don’t understand is why it took so long for the players to get set to run the play. This, though, is at least also partially on coaching (though perhaps minimally Eberflus himself, depending on his level of involvement in hurry-up preparation).

Thats because there is a lack of leadership on the sideline and on the field and the rest is just spin .

They were taking so long to line up because they were pouting because Caleb had took yet another late game sack. In the video the Oline is picking him at the 28 second mark and then you see Caleb signal to the rest to come in at the 26 second mark but he was sacked so why are they still that far down field when the clock is still running ?

They will gladly lay it all at Eberflus feet but they are all at fault for that mess.

[molepharmer]

fwiw - According to today's Austin Mock's model at The Athletic, he has 7 teams finishing at 5-12, Raiders at 4-13 and Giants at 3-14. If that would actually play out, I'd assume the Bears tough schedule would move them to the back of the line at pick #9. Basically all 5 of the current 3 win teams get to 5 wins, Jags win 3 to get to 5 and Bears win 1 to get to 5.

A betting site (WSN ???) also has the Bears finishing with the 9th worst record (based on over/under numbers).

At #9 Bears probably can't get the best O-lineman (if that's their priority) nor D-lineman, but should be able to get the second (or third) best. I could see them moving back to get more draft capital if they're not certain they can get a difference maker at around #9.

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[Susan]

fwiw - According to today's Austin Mock's model at The Athletic, he has 7 teams finishing at 5-12, Raiders at 4-13 and Giants at 3-14. If that would actually play out, I'd assume the Bears tough schedule would move them to the back of the line at pick #9. Basically all 5 of the current 3 win teams get to 5 wins, Jags win 3 to get to 5 and Bears win 1 to get to 5.

A betting site (WSN ???) also has the Bears finishing with the 9th worst record (based on over/under numbers).

At #9 Bears probably can't get the best O-lineman (if that's their priority) nor D-lineman, but should be able to get the second (or third) best. I could see them moving back to get more draft capital if they're not certain they can get a difference maker at around #9.

They're about to win a few games.

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[Dresden]

What seems to be getting missed is:

WHY THE HELL WAS THE QB CHANGING THE PLAY?!?!?!

This is not being missed and has been widely reported. When Flus failed to take a timeout and the offense failed to get up to the line and set with enough time to run 2 plays, Caleb changed the play because he had to. Whatever they had drawn up was not a TD-seeking play. Once there was only enough time to run one, Caleb changed it to something that could result in a TD. I’m sure Caleb just calling TO himself to preserve two plays would have been a wildly better choice, but he admitted he felt whether to call a TO was a decision for the HC.

I would note that Caleb feeling empowered to change the play in response to an end-of-game emergency but not feeling empowered to call a timeout is ultimately a coaching issue.

The one thing I don’t understand is why it took so long for the players to get set to run the play. This, though, is at least also partially on coaching (though perhaps minimally Eberflus himself, depending on his level of involvement in hurry-up preparation).

Thats because there is a lack of leadership on the sideline and on the field and the rest is just spin .

They were taking so long to line up because they were pouting because Caleb had took yet another late game sack. In the video the Oline is picking him at the 28 second mark and then you see Caleb signal to the rest to come in at the 26 second mark but he was sacked so why are they still that far down field when the clock is still running ?

They will gladly lay it all at Eberflus feet but they are all at fault for that mess.

A veteran QB definitely would have been more decisive in that situation, and not let it play out the way it did. Good learning experience for Caleb. Last week he issued a mea culpa for his part in Waldron's departure. Wonder if he does the same thing this week regarding Eberflus?

[Dresden]

What is the future for Blake Shelton? My impression is that after a horrendous start, he's actually played pretty well. Could he come back as our center next year? If so, that would be one less hole to fill.

[nitetrain8603]

fwiw - According to today's Austin Mock's model at The Athletic, he has 7 teams finishing at 5-12, Raiders at 4-13 and Giants at 3-14. If that would actually play out, I'd assume the Bears tough schedule would move them to the back of the line at pick #9. Basically all 5 of the current 3 win teams get to 5 wins, Jags win 3 to get to 5 and Bears win 1 to get to 5.

A betting site (WSN ???) also has the Bears finishing with the 9th worst record (based on over/under numbers).

At #9 Bears probably can't get the best O-lineman (if that's their priority) nor D-lineman, but should be able to get the second (or third) best. I could see them moving back to get more draft capital if they're not certain they can get a difference maker at around #9.

They could also move up for a gamebreaker

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[Bulliever2020]

No, this is silly. Flus should have called it with 32 left, but if he was going to go hurry-up, then there obviously needs to be a drop-dead point on the clock (15 secs, 12 secs, whatever) where he calls the timeout and resets to ensure they can run 2 plays.

this exactly. And also as soon as Flus saw Caleb was changing the play, any halfway decent coach could calculate easily in his head at that point that it was going to take too long, and should have immediately called the timeout. Do literally anything but what he did in that moment.

too little time to call TO when caleb began changing play

not true at all. Caleb starts changing the play with 23 seconds left. Still plenty of time to call timeout. Draw up a quick sideline out to get a few yards or throw it away and give yourself a chance at a long field goal. Again, literally any of those options is better than doing nothing in that situation and allowing the clock to run out without giving yourself a chance.

[jnrjr79]

What do we think of Belichek? It intrigues me just because he'd transform the whole operation.

I am honestly pretty meh on him, but I think regardless of our feelings, he’s not something the Bears would ever do. He’s not going to report to Warren. Warren won’t want that. He’ll want personnel control, so where does that leave Poles? It seems like you’d need to clean more house to make it work, and I’m not sure about a 72 year-old guy who could not seemingly do well without Brady (though he had Brady for so much of his career, I’m not sure what to make of that).

It would certainly be a splash, intriguing as hell, and totally un-Bears-ish.

[Indomitable]

What seems to be getting missed is:

WHY THE HELL WAS THE QB CHANGING THE PLAY?!?!?!

This is not being missed and has been widely reported. When Flus failed to take a timeout and the offense failed to get up to the line and set with enough time to run 2 plays, Caleb changed the play because he had to. Whatever they had drawn up was not a TD-seeking play. Once there was only enough time to run one, Caleb changed it to something that could result in a TD. I’m sure Caleb just calling TO himself to preserve two plays would have been a wildly better choice, but he admitted he felt whether to call a TO was a decision for the HC.

I would note that Caleb feeling empowered to change the play in response to an end-of-game emergency but not feeling empowered to call a timeout is ultimately a coaching issue.

The one thing I don’t understand is why it took so long for the players to get set to run the play. This, though, is at least also partially on coaching (though perhaps minimally Eberflus himself, depending on his level of involvement in hurry-up preparation).

Thats because there is a lack of leadership on the sideline and on the field and the rest is just spin .

They were taking so long to line up because they were pouting because Caleb had took yet another late game sack. In the video the Oline is picking him at the 28 second mark and then you see Caleb signal to the rest to come in at the 26 second mark but he was sacked so why are they still that far down field when the clock is still running ?

They will gladly lay it all at Eberflus feet but they are all at fault for that mess.

This is on the coach because he is the one in charge.

People who do not accept that make poor leaders.