NBA Trade Thread

[Chi town]

Here's a sell low buy low deal that I wanted to float:

Lauri for Jonathan Isaac straight up. He's great but a Otto-level injury risk.

Nope. By the time he recovers his rookie deal will be up.

Let him get healthy and then just sign him as a FA on his 2nd contract.

[sco]

What are your guys' impression of Tomas Satoransky? If we were to trade for him, Will Kevon Looney + Jordan Poole be enough to facilitate the trade?

IMO Satoransky was one of several guys who looked worse last year than he actually is due to the combination of an injury depleted roster and a bad offensive scheme. I think he would do well for you and Looney/Poole would be ok, but the Bulls have too many C's.

How about a big deal - Markkanen, Carter, Satoransky for Green?

[MrSparkle]

In the scenario of a 2nd reset/tank, who's into this? Would Philly do it?

Zach, Otto, Sato, WCJ for Simmons, Horford, Kurmanz

Draft BPA at #4.

Maybe trade Lauri or Gafford for another FRP, or trade up for #1 if Edwards is worth it.

Essentially tank next year. Target a long-term plan centered around Coby, #4 (plus the Lauri FRP, or the trade-up), next year's top-8 pick, and Simmons as your point-forward after he recovers.

[scottyg]

3 way trade with the spurs and warriors

Bulls get
- Demar Derozan
- Lamarcus Aldridge
- # 2 pick this year

Spurs get -
- Andrew Wiggins
- Otto Porter
- Lauri Markannen
- 2nd rd pick via Chi


Warriors get -
- Rudy Gay
- Thad Young
- Tomas Satoransky
- Wendall Carter jr.

[Dominator83]

What are your guys' impression of Tomas Satoransky? If we were to trade for him, Will Kevon Looney + Jordan Poole be enough to facilitate the trade?

You can have him for free

[Rose2Boozer]

What are your guys' impression of Tomas Satoransky? If we were to trade for him, Will Kevon Looney + Jordan Poole be enough to facilitate the trade?

Satoransky is a good third guard who could elevate an already talented team. I wouldn't look to trade him. The last year of his deal is nonguaranteed, so there's no rush to move him.

[Chi town]

Lavine for Herro and filler.

Who says no?

Chicago.

15 4 and 3 in the playoffs. Playing in the closing lineup. Has made some big shots. His defensive improvement has been exceptional.

Herro is more impactful than Lavine right now. What was Zach doing ?

Herro is the modern SG that can handle, create, playmaker, shoot, PnR, and D up across multiple positions.

[Dez]

Lavine for Herro and filler.

Who says no?

Chicago.

15 4 and 3 in the playoffs. Playing in the closing lineup. Has made some big shots. His defensive improvement has been exceptional.

Herro is more impactful than Lavine right now. What was Zach doing ?

Herro is the modern SG that can handle, create, playmaker, shoot, PnR, and D up across multiple positions.

Herro is playing with two all stars, why are you trying to compare his impact to a player that has to do everything offensively because he literally has one teammate that can dribble?

Ridiculous logic.

[Chi town]

Chicago.

15 4 and 3 in the playoffs. Playing in the closing lineup. Has made some big shots. His defensive improvement has been exceptional.

Herro is more impactful than Lavine right now. What was Zach doing ?

Herro is the modern SG that can handle, create, playmaker, shoot, PnR, and D up across multiple positions.

Herro is playing with two all stars, why are you trying to compare his impact to a player that has to do everything offensively because he literally has one teammate that can dribble?

Ridiculous logic.

Way deeper and more complex than that. Of course Herro is benefiting as a 3rd option. Of course Lavine would look better picking his spots.

The major issue is this Herro has sky high IQ. Lavine has barely any. Herro is already a good defender and Lavine has improved but is still awful off ball.

Herro will win you more games now and in the future. Give me that rookie contract and I’d play him 35mpg and then use the space to have two max slots.

[Dez]

15 4 and 3 in the playoffs. Playing in the closing lineup. Has made some big shots. His defensive improvement has been exceptional.

Herro is more impactful than Lavine right now. What was Zach doing ?

Herro is the modern SG that can handle, create, playmaker, shoot, PnR, and D up across multiple positions.

Herro is playing with two all stars, why are you trying to compare his impact to a player that has to do everything offensively because he literally has one teammate that can dribble?

Ridiculous logic.

Way deeper and more complex than that. Of course Herro is benefiting as a 3rd option. Of course Lavine would look better picking his spots.

The major issue is this Herro has sky high IQ. Lavine has barely any. Herro is already a good defender and Lavine has improved but is still awful off ball.

Herro will win you more games now and in the future. Give me that rookie contract and I’d play him 35mpg and then use the space to have two max slots.

It's not deeper or more complex at all, it's a just shiny new toy.

You're overrating Herro and underrating LaVine, it's simple.

[Chi town]

Herro is playing with two all stars, why are you trying to compare his impact to a player that has to do everything offensively because he literally has one teammate that can dribble?

Ridiculous logic.

Way deeper and more complex than that. Of course Herro is benefiting as a 3rd option. Of course Lavine would look better picking his spots.

The major issue is this Herro has sky high IQ. Lavine has barely any. Herro is already a good defender and Lavine has improved but is still awful off ball.

Herro will win you more games now and in the future. Give me that rookie contract and I’d play him 35mpg and then use the space to have two max slots.

It's not deeper or more complex at all, it's a just shiny new toy.

You're overrating Herro and underrating LaVine, it's simple.

Ok. Then I’d be overrating IQ and defense and underrating athleticism and shotMaking.

In this NBA I’ll take that every day.

[supermario]

I hope we become a dark horse for Giannis. Perfect fit and close to Mil.

[GimmeDat]

WCJ > Culver. Hayes > Wiseman. It's a big no from me, personally.

This guy. Don't make me pull up one of your essays on Culver

'This guy' hey?

I liked Culver a lot going into the draft, think I had him about 4 or so.. and for the most part, his primary skills had translated. But going 66/221 (29%) from 3 after going 104/305 (34%) through college, and even more concerningly 46% from the FT line after going 69% from the line across 316 attempts, changes his outlook dramatically. He went from being below average shooter to a complete non-shooter with a regression in mechanics.

I never would've traded WCJ for Culver as much as I liked him back then, because I was higher on WCJ than I was on Culver. The fact that Culver had such a dramatically concerning rookie season only widens that gap.

Nothing about what I said was inconsistent with previous comments, but feel free to have a go at me anyway.

[GimmeDat]

WCJ > Culver. Hayes > Wiseman. It's a big no from me, personally.

Agree to disagree

Culver> WCJ Wiseman> Hayes

Right now Culver has less value but hes a guard so even if they both suck, he wins out bc he is someone the modern era needs more. I would salvage value for WCJ and Culver would be a great low buy situation as much as Carter tanked his value.
WCJs strength was that he can guard multiple positions and be nimble but the weight gain made him a undersized traditional center that cannot shoot at all. Dont care even if he becomes DPOY bc those types are littered in the streets.

How does that work? If you suck, you suck, regardless of position.

There is not 1 thing more detrimental to the modern game than a guard/wing who is a non-shooter.

I don't know why people think Carter tanked his value, he's had a great first few seasons. He has not sucked at all, the difference in on court value right now is staggering. Not to mention, bigs that can pass, do all the interior things on both ends at a high level, and project to shoot in any capacity are massively valuable for the modern game.

If Culver works out the shot his upside is very high but as it stands things are looking pretty concerning.

He was always a center, nothing to do with weight gain - he never projected to play any PF, otherwise he would've played there his rookie year.

'Don't care even if he becomes DPOY bc those types are littered in the streets'? I think you lose all credibility with that sentence.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

I know a lot of you don't want to trade LaVine, but I think we should be thinking about it. The reason I say this, and I don't think we talk about this enough, is that he has two years left on his contract, and when it expires he will be facing that all-import first UFA of his career. Barring a miracle turnaround for our team in two short years, I am genuinely not sure why he would re-sign here when I there will, I would imagine, be better opportunities in front of him. After spending eight years on bad Wolves teams and bad Bulls teams, I'd think he jump at the chance to finally choose to play for a good team. So I think it could make sense to move him ahead of time while we still have some leverage, if the right deal comes along.

Brooklyn has expressed interest. My thinking is, we could entice them further by adding Thad to the pot. Thad can still be a positive contributor to a playoff team off the bench. I assume Brooklyn is looking to contend right away. They'd be getting good depth without a long-term salary commitment(Thad's got two years, the second partially guaranteed, left).

Matching salary is a bit tricky, but I've got two ideas...

#1

Bulls get: Caris LeVert, Garrett Temple, David Nwaba, (any two of Dzanan Musa, Rodions Kurucs, Nicholas Claxton, or Theo Pinson), #19
Nets get: Zach LaVine, Thad Young

For arguments' sake, I'll say we get Musa and Claxton(I think Claxton could develop into a good player).

Maybe we take someone like R.J. Hampton at #19, but that's just one suggestion.

Nwaba is pure filler and rehabbing his achilles, so we could probably just waive him.

Depending on whether we Deni or a PG at #4, we could like

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter, Claxton
SF - LeVert, Musa
SG - Coby, Temple, R.J. Hampton
PG - Ball or Hayes, Sato

or

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter, Claxton
SF - Deni, Musa
SG - LeVert, Temple, R.J. Hampton
PG - Coby, Sato

#2

Bulls get: Caris LeVert, Taurean Prince
Nets get: Zach LaVine, Thad Young

This one is a simpler 2-for-2 deal.

Depending on who we take at #4, we look like

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter
SF - LeVert, Prince
SG - Coby, LeVert, Sato
PG - Ball or Hayes, Sato

or

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter
SF - Deni, Prince
SG - LeVert, Coby
PG - Coby, Sato

I just think #1 would be more likely because I think they might value Prince, and also we might not want Prince's contract(it would eat into 2021 cap space).

In either case, the Bulls get LeVert who, while not quite as good as LaVine, can play SF where LaVine can't(thus giving us more options with Coby) and is signed for one year longer than Zach. We also either get another young wing in Prince, or another first-rounder(#19) and some youngins to take a chance on who the Nets won't have minutes for anyway with Durant back and Thad in the rotation.

Meanwhile, the Nets get a fully-loaded nine-man rotation ready to contend(assuming they re-sign Harris, which they should):

C - Jarrett Allen, DeAndre Jordan
PF - Kevin Durant, Thad Young
SF - Joe Harris, Taurean Prince OR Garrett Temple
SG - Zach LaVine, Spencer Dinwiddie
PG - Kyrie Irving, Spencer Dinwiddie

I know some will hate this, but I just feel like this could make some sense for both sides.

[BullsFTW]

I hope the Lakers get eliminated. So we can get a chance to sign AD.

[Dez]

Way deeper and more complex than that. Of course Herro is benefiting as a 3rd option. Of course Lavine would look better picking his spots.

The major issue is this Herro has sky high IQ. Lavine has barely any. Herro is already a good defender and Lavine has improved but is still awful off ball.

Herro will win you more games now and in the future. Give me that rookie contract and I’d play him 35mpg and then use the space to have two max slots.

It's not deeper or more complex at all, it's a just shiny new toy.

You're overrating Herro and underrating LaVine, it's simple.

Ok. Then I’d be overrating IQ and defense and underrating athleticism and shotMaking.

In this NBA I’ll take that every day.

You're overrating Herro and his ability to do the things you claim.

[sco]

I know a lot of you don't want to trade LaVine, but I think we should be thinking about it. The reason I say this, and I don't think we talk about this enough, is that he has two years left on his contract, and when it expires he will be facing that all-import first UFA of his career. Barring a miracle turnaround for our team in two short years, I am genuinely not sure why he would re-sign here when I there will, I would imagine, be better opportunities in front of him. After spending eight years on bad Wolves teams and bad Bulls teams, I'd think he jump at the chance to finally choose to play for a good team. So I think it could make sense to move him ahead of time while we still have some leverage, if the right deal comes along.

Brooklyn has expressed interest. My thinking is, we could entice them further by adding Thad to the pot. Thad can still be a positive contributor to a playoff team off the bench. I assume Brooklyn is looking to contend right away. They'd be getting good depth without a long-term salary commitment(Thad's got two years, the second partially guaranteed, left).

Matching salary is a bit tricky, but I've got two ideas...

#1

Bulls get: Caris LeVert, Garrett Temple, David Nwaba, (any two of Dzanan Musa, Rodions Kurucs, Nicholas Claxton, or Theo Pinson), #19
Nets get: Zach LaVine, Thad Young

For arguments' sake, I'll say we get Musa and Claxton(I think Claxton could develop into a good player).

Maybe we take someone like R.J. Hampton at #19, but that's just one suggestion.

Nwaba is pure filler and rehabbing his achilles, so we could probably just waive him.

Depending on whether we Deni or a PG at #4, we could like

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter, Claxton
SF - LeVert, Musa
SG - Coby, Temple, R.J. Hampton
PG - Ball or Hayes, Sato

or

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter, Claxton
SF - Deni, Musa
SG - LeVert, Temple, R.J. Hampton
PG - Coby, Sato

#2

Bulls get: Caris LeVert, Taurean Prince
Nets get: Zach LaVine, Thad Young

This one is a simpler 2-for-2 deal.

Depending on who we take at #4, we look like

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter
SF - LeVert, Prince
SG - Coby, LeVert, Sato
PG - Ball or Hayes, Sato

or

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter
SF - Deni, Prince
SG - LeVert, Coby
PG - Coby, Sato

I just think #1 would be more likely because I think they might value Prince, and also we might not want Prince's contract(it would eat into 2021 cap space).

In either case, the Bulls get LeVert who, while not quite as good as LaVine, can play SF where LaVine can't(thus giving us more options with Coby) and is signed for one year longer than Zach. We also either get another young wing in Prince, or another first-rounder(#19) and some youngins to take a chance on who the Nets won't have minutes for anyway with Durant back and Thad in the rotation.

Meanwhile, the Nets get a fully-loaded nine-man rotation ready to contend(assuming they re-sign Harris, which they should):

C - Jarrett Allen, DeAndre Jordan
PF - Kevin Durant, Thad Young
SF - Joe Harris, Taurean Prince OR Garrett Temple
SG - Zach LaVine, Spencer Dinwiddie
PG - Kyrie Irving, Spencer Dinwiddie

I know some will hate this, but I just feel like this could make some sense for both sides.

I'm neutral on trading Lavine, but it has to be a deal that I want to really jump on. LeVert is, as you say, near Lavine talent-wise, but he is more injury prone. I want more back along the lines of:

Zach/Thad for Dinwiddie, Levert, Prince, Allen

[Ugly Duckling]

WCJ > Culver. Hayes > Wiseman. It's a big no from me, personally.

This guy. Don't make me pull up one of your essays on Culver

'This guy' hey?

I liked Culver a lot going into the draft, think I had him about 4 or so.. and for the most part, his primary skills had translated. But going 66/221 (29%) from 3 after going 104/305 (34%) through college, and even more concerningly 46% from the FT line after going 69% from the line across 316 attempts, changes his outlook dramatically. He went from being below average shooter to a complete non-shooter with a regression in mechanics.

I never would've traded WCJ for Culver as much as I liked him back then, because I was higher on WCJ than I was on Culver. The fact that Culver had such a dramatically concerning rookie season only widens that gap.

Nothing about what I said was inconsistent with previous comments, but feel free to have a go at me anyway.

I hate to say I told you so, but last yr you were posting essays about the greatness of Jarrett Culver and coming at me for saying either Rui Hachimura or Cam Reddish would be much better picks at 7. Boy were you wrong. The yr before you were posting essays about the greatness of Mo Bamba. Nothing against you personally, you seem like a great guy. But you should reevaluate the way you look at prospects and consider other viewpoints

[OldSchoolNoBull]

I know a lot of you don't want to trade LaVine, but I think we should be thinking about it. The reason I say this, and I don't think we talk about this enough, is that he has two years left on his contract, and when it expires he will be facing that all-import first UFA of his career. Barring a miracle turnaround for our team in two short years, I am genuinely not sure why he would re-sign here when I there will, I would imagine, be better opportunities in front of him. After spending eight years on bad Wolves teams and bad Bulls teams, I'd think he jump at the chance to finally choose to play for a good team. So I think it could make sense to move him ahead of time while we still have some leverage, if the right deal comes along.

Brooklyn has expressed interest. My thinking is, we could entice them further by adding Thad to the pot. Thad can still be a positive contributor to a playoff team off the bench. I assume Brooklyn is looking to contend right away. They'd be getting good depth without a long-term salary commitment(Thad's got two years, the second partially guaranteed, left).

Matching salary is a bit tricky, but I've got two ideas...

#1

Bulls get: Caris LeVert, Garrett Temple, David Nwaba, (any two of Dzanan Musa, Rodions Kurucs, Nicholas Claxton, or Theo Pinson), #19
Nets get: Zach LaVine, Thad Young

For arguments' sake, I'll say we get Musa and Claxton(I think Claxton could develop into a good player).

Maybe we take someone like R.J. Hampton at #19, but that's just one suggestion.

Nwaba is pure filler and rehabbing his achilles, so we could probably just waive him.

Depending on whether we Deni or a PG at #4, we could like

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter, Claxton
SF - LeVert, Musa
SG - Coby, Temple, R.J. Hampton
PG - Ball or Hayes, Sato

or

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter, Claxton
SF - Deni, Musa
SG - LeVert, Temple, R.J. Hampton
PG - Coby, Sato

#2

Bulls get: Caris LeVert, Taurean Prince
Nets get: Zach LaVine, Thad Young

This one is a simpler 2-for-2 deal.

Depending on who we take at #4, we look like

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter
SF - LeVert, Prince
SG - Coby, LeVert, Sato
PG - Ball or Hayes, Sato

or

C - Carter, Gafford
PF - Lauri, Porter
SF - Deni, Prince
SG - LeVert, Coby
PG - Coby, Sato

I just think #1 would be more likely because I think they might value Prince, and also we might not want Prince's contract(it would eat into 2021 cap space).

In either case, the Bulls get LeVert who, while not quite as good as LaVine, can play SF where LaVine can't(thus giving us more options with Coby) and is signed for one year longer than Zach. We also either get another young wing in Prince, or another first-rounder(#19) and some youngins to take a chance on who the Nets won't have minutes for anyway with Durant back and Thad in the rotation.

Meanwhile, the Nets get a fully-loaded nine-man rotation ready to contend(assuming they re-sign Harris, which they should):

C - Jarrett Allen, DeAndre Jordan
PF - Kevin Durant, Thad Young
SF - Joe Harris, Taurean Prince OR Garrett Temple
SG - Zach LaVine, Spencer Dinwiddie
PG - Kyrie Irving, Spencer Dinwiddie

I know some will hate this, but I just feel like this could make some sense for both sides.

I'm neutral on trading Lavine, but it has to be a deal that I want to really jump on. LeVert is, as you say, near Lavine talent-wise, but he is more injury prone. I want more back along the lines of:

Zach/Thad for Dinwiddie, Levert, Prince, Allen

You're saying you'd want all four of those guys? If so, you're asking for too much. LaVine's not worth that much.