2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

Leslie Forman · Post #1941 » by **Leslie Forman** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:51 am

The thing that worries me with Halliburton is he just cannot get to the rim. His FT rate is straight up terrible. Even worse than Lonzo's was.

However, he can really shoot. He also passes the stocks test big time. So even if he can't get to the rim, could he basically be a Lonzo who can shoot? That would be a hell of a player.

wonderboy2 · Post #1942 » by **wonderboy2** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:21 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
I thought you were on the "ship sato" train no matter who's on the roster?

Well we should. Honestly bulls should keep Dunn over Sato.

Out of all of the boneheaded moves made in the later stages of the GarPax era, acquiring Sato when you need to play Coby is up there.

Agree 100 percent. The Sato signing was pointless on so many levels.

2018C3 · Post #1943 » by **2018C3** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:25 am

I spent some time the other day looking looking up guys I thought might be available in the 2nd round as a steal, and this guy stuck out with his his young age, and athleticism. I thought he could be a 2nd round development type project pick with high potential.

Moussa Cisse, (I like the way he moves for a big man),

Watch on YouTube

Just before I was going to post him as a suggestion to look at, I realized I was accidentally looking at the 2021 2nd round draft class, and not the 2020 draft. (It turns out He is a a 6'11" 210 pound 17 year old), who seems to move around pretty well for his age and length.

Oh well, He wont be available this year, but he might be a kid to keep a eye out for in next years draft. He had 21 blocks in a high school game which I think is pretty impressive at any level.

In the 2020 draft, the most realistic 1st round pick with what I perceive to have the highest upside potential might be Wiseman. I'd be very happy if we somehow ended up with him as a guy to develop.

Like others have said, I don't want the safe pick, I want the organization to go all out and shoot for a potential star.

wonderboy2 · Post #1944 » by **wonderboy2** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:29 am

One thing I don’t like about Tyrese Halaburton is that he can suffer from the Sato syndrome where he lacks aggression. He needs to stay engaged the whole game. I think he will be solid Pg over the years. Maybe not an Allstar but a high level point guard.

sco · Post #1945 » by **sco** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:45 am

I saw in a recent mock that Cassius Winston was available after our 2nd round pick. I wouldn't mind taking a swing there. That said, I really prefer someone to stash overseas or an elite athlete who we could develop in the G-league for a couple years. We have too many guys who need development already on the roster, but building a pipeline is a good idea.

bulls_troy · Post #1946 » by **bulls_troy** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:50 am

I'll be the first to say I know stuff all about this year's draft class apart from LaMelo (no thanks).

Just watched some videos on Deni Ardija and I'm liking what I see. Depending where we land in the draft, should be a high consideration?

Chi town · Post #1947 » by **Chi town** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:58 pm

Leslie Forman wrote:The thing that worries me with Halliburton is he just cannot get to the rim. His FT rate is straight up terrible. Even worse than Lonzo's was.

However, he can really shoot. He also passes the stocks test big time. So even if he can't get to the rim, could he basically be a Lonzo who can shoot? That would be a hell of a player.

Lonzo Ds up. Hali is solid but certainly not a plus defender like Lonzo.

Grodoboldo · Post #1948 » by **Grodoboldo** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:08 pm

Chi town wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:The thing that worries me with Halliburton is he just cannot get to the rim. His FT rate is straight up terrible. Even worse than Lonzo's was.

However, he can really shoot. He also passes the stocks test big time. So even if he can't get to the rim, could he basically be a Lonzo who can shoot? That would be a hell of a player.

Lonzo Ds up. Hali is solid but certainly not a plus defender like Lonzo.

Lonzo shoots as if he was Philip Seymour Hoffman's character in "Along came Polly"...
Hali's shot is ugly, but efficient in C&S situations.

aramada · Post #1949 » by **aramada** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:21 pm

Hali seems like a good fit next to Zach and Coby - a secondary playmaker with potential for above average shooting, passing and defense. All 3 could actually be played together in a triple 6'5 lineup. Hali's upside is obviously the question for a #7, but he's young and his floor seems high

BadWolf · Post #1950 » by **BadWolf** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:38 pm

My pick for the Bulls would be Okoro. Seems like exactly the guy this team needs.

Chi town · Post #1951 » by **Chi town** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:58 pm

aramada wrote:Hali seems like a good fit next to Zach and Coby - a secondary playmaker with potential for above average shooting, passing and defense. All 3 could actually be played together in a triple 6'5 lineup. Hali's upside is obviously the question for a #7, but he's young and his floor seems high

Same could be said for Melo in a 3 guard lineup where Lavine plays the 3. I’ve been thinking about that. Don’t know that you want that as your long term answer though.

Chi town · Post #1952 » by **Chi town** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:58 pm

BadWolf wrote:My pick for the Bulls would be Okoro. Seems like exactly the guy this team needs.

I tend to agree if he can learn to shoot well. Jimmy Buckets ceiling. His D and intensity would really help our team.

MrSparkle · Post #1953 » by **MrSparkle** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:01 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:The thing that worries me with Halliburton is he just cannot get to the rim. His FT rate is straight up terrible. Even worse than Lonzo's was.

However, he can really shoot. He also passes the stocks test big time. So even if he can't get to the rim, could he basically be a Lonzo who can shoot? That would be a hell of a player.

Lonzo Ds up. Hali is solid but certainly not a plus defender like Lonzo.

Lonzo shoots as if he was Philip Seymour Hoffman's character in "Along came Polly"...
Hali's shot is ugly, but efficient in C&S situations.

Yeah. Lonzo's form had a lot of red flags. He swings it up in an unorthodox way. Almost like he his dad coached him or something... Er.. :-?

Hali's form is kind of the low-release-point, straight-line-drive type, but seems to be a clean form. 22 game college stats were: 59% 2P, 42% 3P, 82% FT. The 2P & 3P are comparable to Fultz's and Lonzo's college percentages, so I know they can be misleading. At least the FT% (on lower volume) is significantly better. Also, Hali averaged 2.5 steals and 0.7 blocks compared to Lonzo's 1.8 and 0.8.

Anyway, I'm just saying I see more in him than I do in Deni, LaMelo and Hayes. Hayes is another guy, I don't I see the top-5 appeal. He is athletic in the open-court and around-the-rim (rebounds, tips), seems to have good IQ and vision, defensive strength, but his de-acceleration and shot-creation moves seem mediocre and Euro-slow.

Deni ... people keep mentioning Gallinari, but isn't Gallinari the equivalent of Casspi or Osman if you took away his shooting ability? :lol:

He was a high-volume 3P (40%) and FT (86%) as an 18yo in Italy (Milano). Not to mention Italy's generally better club competition than Israel's league (Maccabi and the rest). I know the season was cut short and Deni emerged late, but his stats are pretty brutal. He didn't really play much against the serious Euroleague competition: https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/deni-avdija-1.html I do realize Maccabi has a tighter leash for young players, but I don't know. You'd think the best Israeli NBA prospect ever would've gotten a longer leash. But I do accept that his sample size and lower volume make evaluations more tricky. He does seem to have capable shooting skills.

Andi Obst · Post #1954 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:02 pm

sco wrote:I saw in a recent mock that Cassius Winston was available after our 2nd round pick. I wouldn't mind taking a swing there. That said, I really prefer someone to stash overseas or an elite athlete who we could develop in the G-league for a couple years. We have too many guys who need development already on the roster, but building a pipeline is a good idea.

Saben Lee maybe? Really fun player for sure. Don't really see many interesting Euro guys in that range this year. Maybe Rokas Jokubaitis, but I really don't know anything about him.

Other players I'm looking at with the 47th pick:

CJ Elleby - Better shooter than his percentages this season indicate, extremely good rebounder for his size, still only 20. Would be my favorite probably, but might be gone.

Killian Tillie - Think injury concerns will let him fall, but he's a lottery talent. Great passing big, very good shooter. At 47, I don't care about the injury history much. Talent is there.

Nate Hinton - Another guy who rebounds at a very high level for his size, much improved shooter, always leaves it all out there. Just a fun guy to watch. Also probably a plus defender on the wing, we need those.

Mason Jones - Probably not there anymore, but some mocks have him that low. Good shooter and scorer overall, went to the line 9 (!!!) times a game.

Lamine Diane - Watching him is a wild experience, his stats are also wild. Obvious flaws and concerns (also very old sophomore), but at 47 he might be worth a shot.

Post #1955 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:32 pm

I get the feeling we will pick in top 3 this year.

Grodoboldo · Post #1956 » by **Grodoboldo** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:48 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Lonzo Ds up. Hali is solid but certainly not a plus defender like Lonzo.

Lonzo shoots as if he was Philip Seymour Hoffman's character in "Along came Polly"...
Hali's shot is ugly, but efficient in C&S situations.

Yeah. Lonzo's form had a lot of red flags. He swings it up in an unorthodox way. Almost like he his dad coached him or something... Er..

Hali's form is kind of the low-release-point, straight-line-drive type, but seems to be a clean form. 22 game college stats were: 59% 2P, 42% 3P, 82% FT. The 2P & 3P are comparable to Fultz's and Lonzo's college percentages, so I know they can be misleading. At least the FT% (on lower volume) is significantly better. Also, Hali averaged 2.5 steals and 0.7 blocks compared to Lonzo's 1.8 and 0.8.

Anyway, I'm just saying I see more in him than I do in Deni, LaMelo and Hayes. Hayes is another guy, I don't I see the top-5 appeal. He is athletic in the open-court and around-the-rim (rebounds, tips), seems to have good IQ and vision, defensive strength, but his de-acceleration and shot-creation moves seem mediocre and Euro-slow.

Deni ... people keep mentioning Gallinari, but isn't Gallinari the equivalent of Casspi or Osman if you took away his shooting ability? He was a high-volume 3P (40%) and FT (86%) as an 18yo in Italy (Milano). Not to mention Italy's generally better club competition than Israel's league (Maccabi and the rest). I know the season was cut short and Deni emerged late, but his stats are pretty brutal. He didn't really play much against the serious Euroleague competition: https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/deni-avdija-1.html I do realize Maccabi has a tighter leash for young players, but I don't know. You'd think the best Israeli NBA prospect ever would've gotten a longer leash. But I do accept that his sample size and lower volume make evaluations more tricky. He does seem to have capable shooting skills.

Yeah, we all have our preferences, but the truth is that the top of this draft is **** compared to most years, at least in terms of star potential. I do see lots of interesting players who appear to have great roleplayer potential.

NecessaryEvil · Post #1957 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:18 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:I get the feeling we will pick in top 3 this year.

Ironically, I said that 3 yrs in a row...

So, i'm going to switch it up this time :

I get the feeling we will pick #7 this yr 8-)

TheSuzerain · Post #1958 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:24 pm

MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

sco · Post #1959 » by **sco** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:29 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

I hear you, but c'mon, MPJ was (and remains) a huge durability risk. There were so many questions about his medical condition that spending the 7th pick on him seemed like a bad move. Good for him for returning to the game. Time will tell if he can stay healthy.

As for WCJ, we all hated the pick, but truth-be -told, the 7th pick usually isn't all that great of a player. That said, I do find it ironic that WCJ's biggest problem has been injuries, but hindsight is 20/20.

NecessaryEvil · Post #1960 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:30 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

I preferred Mikal Bridges to him as well .. and he's looking like an elite wing defender in the next couple seasons