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Post#1941 » by Michael Jackson » Sun Aug 2, 2020 6:48 pm

the ultimates wrote:What is the deal with Zion? To me seeing him actually play he doesn't look like the guy physically they showed in the pictures during the break. I know he left the bubble so he missed practices and scrimmages but missing that time shouldn't mean his conditioning is shot to hell, should it?



I think Zion is very Shaq like. He is an amazing physical talent yet he falls out of peak shape easily. I’m sure Lebron could fall out of shape easily (granted him out of shape is still better than most likely anyone else) but in general he was about being on 24-7 365.
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Post#1942 » by TheSuzerain » Sun Aug 2, 2020 6:56 pm

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Repeat 3-peat wrote:OG Anunoby is one of the leagues most underrated players.

His defense is "All-defensive team" worthy.


I know a lot of people here wanted to draft him. If the Bulls didn't trade Butler I could see them picking OG.

God that trade was such a disaster. People forget we had to give up 16.
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Post#1943 » by Dan Z » Sun Aug 2, 2020 7:18 pm

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Dan Z wrote:
Repeat 3-peat wrote:OG Anunoby is one of the leagues most underrated players.

His defense is "All-defensive team" worthy.


I know a lot of people here wanted to draft him. If the Bulls didn't trade Butler I could see them picking OG.

God that trade was such a disaster. People forget we had to give up 16.


At the time I didn't want them to trade the 16th pick even if it meant getting less back from Minnesota. I figured that having two 1st round picks, going into a rebuild, is better than getting an existing player like Dunn (I'm just using Dunn as an example of what Minnesota might want to keep if the Bulls said no to including the 16th pick).

But I also didn't want them to trade Butler even though I understood that the team seemed to be limited going forward (the McDermott trade screwed things up).
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Post#1944 » by Chi town » Sun Aug 2, 2020 11:44 pm

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Chi town wrote:Those Raps are looking like they could get by the Bucks. Never bet against the Champs.


I dont think they will win it due to real lack of a number one, but you never know. One thing I think is possible is if you withstand the Lakers runs, you can beat them. I dont think the Lakers are championship tough. Davis and Lebron are known to wilt when players withstand runs and go back at them..


Between Nuggets and Raptors rosters, I feel we are going to eventually get high iq players. Hope our current fo use that past fo experience to utilize.


Well said. I think OG Paskal and Bouchet will slow Giannis down.
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Post#1945 » by Chi town » Sun Aug 2, 2020 11:47 pm

My God Morant. 25 9 9

Kid is the future.
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Post#1946 » by Chi town » Sun Aug 2, 2020 11:51 pm

He’s going to a be an MVP.

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Post#1948 » by Grodoboldo » Mon Aug 3, 2020 12:25 am

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Post#1949 » by MGB8 » Mon Aug 3, 2020 12:36 am

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Feel bad for him. If it’s bad, that really hurts his FA value. He seems like a nice kid and has tons of upside, but needs the playing time and health to develop.
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Post#1950 » by Grodoboldo » Mon Aug 3, 2020 12:47 am

Yeah, he was starting to get that modern forward hype.
Let's see what the MRI reveals.
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Post#1952 » by TheFinishSniper » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:59 am

Dammit. ACL are maybe not death in NBA anymore but damn that's serious injury and long recovery in time when young man should be playing games and develop. I feel sorry for Isaac. :(
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Post#1953 » by dougthonus » Mon Aug 3, 2020 2:10 pm

Just random thought, if you could take Zion or Morant right now, is anyone going Zion still?
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Post#1954 » by othawhitemeat » Mon Aug 3, 2020 2:43 pm

dougthonus wrote:Just random thought, if you could take Zion or Morant right now, is anyone going Zion still?


To be honest, I did not want Zion before. I mean if Zion could become discipline to be at 260lbs and was not the freak athlete he is, I would but after experiencing the Rose ACL, I don't think I would have spent another pick on someone that may experts are scared of staying healthy. Ja is going to be a top 5 player in 3 years though.
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Post#1955 » by dougthonus » Mon Aug 3, 2020 2:54 pm

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dougthonus wrote:Just random thought, if you could take Zion or Morant right now, is anyone going Zion still?


To be honest, I did not want Zion before. I mean if Zion could become discipline to be at 260lbs and was not the freak athlete he is, I would but after experiencing the Rose ACL, I don't think I would have spent another pick on someone that may experts are scared of staying healthy. Ja is going to be a top 5 player in 3 years though.


I would have taken Zion #1, but I would have absolutely been open to trading that pick. In retrospect, I would take Ja #1 rather than trading the pic, but I wasn't so confident in him at draft time. Zion looks amazing when healthy, but the fact that they're managing his minutes all year long scares the hell out of me. I see no way this guy stays healthy over a career.

That said, I felt the same way about Embiid after all his early injuries, and he seems to have put together a few pretty healthy runs and that concern is waning for me on him now.
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Post#1956 » by DASMACKDOWN » Mon Aug 3, 2020 4:20 pm

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dougthonus wrote:Just random thought, if you could take Zion or Morant right now, is anyone going Zion still?


To be honest, I did not want Zion before. I mean if Zion could become discipline to be at 260lbs and was not the freak athlete he is, I would but after experiencing the Rose ACL, I don't think I would have spent another pick on someone that may experts are scared of staying healthy. Ja is going to be a top 5 player in 3 years though.


I would have taken Zion #1, but I would have absolutely been open to trading that pick. In retrospect, I would take Ja #1 rather than trading the pic, but I wasn't so confident in him at draft time. Zion looks amazing when healthy, but the fact that they're managing his minutes all year long scares the hell out of me. I see no way this guy stays healthy over a career.

That said, I felt the same way about Embiid after all his early injuries, and he seems to have put together a few pretty healthy runs and that concern is waning for me on him now.


To tell you the truth, I equal concerns about both players. Zion and Ja have had knee issues. And I cringe every time they jump off the ground.

The thing to me is if both are healthy, Zion's ceiling is ridiculously high. Like no one can stop him high. For Ja, you cant say you havent seen players like him in the league. There are players like him every year. Zion though is 1 of 1.
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Post#1957 » by DASMACKDOWN » Mon Aug 3, 2020 4:23 pm

I feel bad for Isaac and I did figure it was an ACL or smoething.

Its a shame he could never stay healthy. His rookie season ravaged by injury. He had a healthy season last year. But this year couldnt stay on the floor.

ACLs affect bigs differently than guards though. I still think he will be effective defender but it maybe 2 years till we see what we saw previously.
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Post#1958 » by dougthonus » Mon Aug 3, 2020 5:00 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:To tell you the truth, I equal concerns about both players. Zion and Ja have had knee issues. And I cringe every time they jump off the ground.

The thing to me is if both are healthy, Zion's ceiling is ridiculously high. Like no one can stop him high. For Ja, you cant say you havent seen players like him in the league. There are players like him every year. Zion though is 1 of 1.


Zion is somewhat unique, he actually seems extremely similar to me to Charles Barkley. Either way, I'm not sure why Zion's uniqueness makes him a top 1-2 candidate. Ja may be more prototypical, but its the prototype of the league's most elite players, and he looks like he might have the talent to join them.

Ja's injury history isn't that concerning, as far as I know, he had one procedure to clean out loose particles in his knee. Zion has a sprained knee in college, another knee injury in high school, a mystery knee injury in summer league, and a torn mensicus in preseason. He's hurt his knee in each of the last three seasons as well as once in the off-season.

Beyond that, no one is telling Ja Morant to not play, while the Pelicans are putting Zion on a 15 minute per game limit, for what? Because they don't trust him to be healthy? That's just such a major differentiating factor. Maybe Ja will get hurt, but you're so scared Zion could get hurt that you aren't even letting him play backup minutes.

At any rate, we'll see how it goes with both guys, I hope they can both stay healthy going forward.
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Post#1959 » by DuckIII » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:39 pm

I would have taken Zion #1, no doubt. But I also said it was a 2 superstar draft and that I would not be surprised if Ja ended up the better player (though I didn’t consider it likely).

What would I do today? Man. I’d probably still take Zion because I have not yet seen enough to scare me away from his potential. He can be a generationally dominant player if it works out right.

Ja can be, and will be, a legit superstar franchise player but his ceiling is still beneath Zion’s. But if you ask me again when the season concludes I might switch. Just not enough data yet.
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Post#1960 » by Leslie Forman » Mon Aug 3, 2020 10:03 pm

dougthonus wrote:Ja's injury history isn't that concerning, as far as I know, he had one procedure to clean out loose particles in his knee. Zion has a sprained knee in college, another knee injury in high school, a mystery knee injury in summer league, and a torn mensicus in preseason. He's hurt his knee in each of the last three seasons as well as once in the off-season.

One could argue that Morant, purely because of the type of player he is, is actually the one with the higher risk of having a short prime.

Fast, explosive point guards who rely on driving to the rim for their scoring and passing? Derrick Rose. John Wall. Steve Francis. Baron Davis. Westbrook is really a freak of nature for how durable he is with how he plays.

Even if Zion has an injury that costs him some athleticism, his freakish strength, feel around the rim, and high IQ would probably still make him a really productive player.

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