NBA Trade Thread #2

[sco]

Sco's trade ideas are killing me. Each one more painful than the last.

Eric Bledsoe? Seriously?

Don't be so dramatic.

Almost anyone is an upgrade to most of our squad...trading a couple guys who have almost zero value to the Bulls for guys who might have some value (albeit I'm higher on Ball), but I needed to include Bledsoe (who I don't hate as a backup guard and who would allow us to trade Coby without leaving a big hole) to make $ work in dumping Otto in the deal.

[TheSuzerain]

Otto is better than Bledsoe dude.

Bledsoe is on one of the worst contracts in the league.

[Andi Obst]

I don’t really see the motivation for Philadelphia to trade either Embiid or Simmons. Both are still very young all-stars and I’m not sure who they could move one of them for, that increases their odds of winning a championship.

The motivation is that Embiid and Simmons are a bad fit, especially in the playoffs, and that’s extremely unlikely to change. The obvious target for them is Beal (if he becomes available). If the Wizards view Simmons as some kind of star like so many others and you only have to add a couple of firsts to get Beal, that’s a no-brainer for Philly. Much better player and much better fit.

[kodo]

If we're looking into a vet PG like Bledsoe, I'd rather have Rose. Wanted him over Sato in the first place.

15/5 in only 23 mpg, 36% 3P shooting, only 2 TOs per game. Makes less money than Felicio and expiring with no future financial commitment.

I could see him re-signing for a similarly low contract to stay in Chicago, whereas who knows how much a young PG like Lonzo will get in competing bids since the '21 FA class is dead but everyone has created a ton of cap space already. We're the 6th best 3P% team in the league now, a kickout PG like Rose makes more sense now than before when we were a bottom shooting team.

[MrSparkle]

No idea what exactly to trade, but NOP does make for an interesting trade partner.

* They could use cap relief (Bledsoe)

* Lonzo is an awful fit for them (and overrated, and they know it); he's also gonna be overpriced on the market, and they don't want two brick-laying PGs on the roster with two ball-handling star forwards

* They could really use younger shooters to open the floor for Zion and Adams (Lauri, Sato, Arci, even Kornet might crack 5 minutes every 10th game?)

* They have too many young 'hype' players that aren't cracking the rotation, including our darling mock target Kira Lewis (plus Hayes and NAW)

All in all, Bledsoe would need a strong asset to make sense. 21 FRP top-10 protected? Just don't want to get burned Hutchison/Asik style.

You could do something like Sato, Lauri for Bledsoe, Lonzo, Hayes, FRP ... let Lonzo run with Coby and Zach to inflate his assists... and honestly, I'd be looking at sign-and-trading Lonzo in August. Or replace Lonzo with Kira. IMO Lonzo/JJ to GSW for Oubre/filler makes decent sense.

[StunnerKO]

[ChettheJet]

I see this:

"Teams Trying To Make Moves Now To Improve Eventual Offer To Wizards For Bradley Beal"

and what I think is

a) I would be doing is asking WASH what is it exactly they are looking to get for Beal
b) get a line on what teams are talking to WASH about Beal
c) see what those teams lack that WASH wants in exchange for Beal and see if the Bulls can provide any of those teams with some of what they don't have, for a price of course

[patryk7754]

Opt, lauri, 2/3 1st for Beal
Carter jr forRose

Rose/white
Lavine/Sato
Beal/Williams
Young/Felicio
Gafford

[weneeda2guard]

There is a sort of gut the team kind of play the bulls can make if they really want beal and the asking price is very high.

You can send lauri off for a 1st rd pick

You can send Carter jr off for a 1st rd pick. (Might be late 1st)

You can flip sato for an asset

Take all those assets plus our 1st and a pick swap in the future, with otto porter and coby white to Washington for beal. So that would be coby, porter jr 3 1st, maybe a 2nd you get for Sato and a pick swap. For beal. Pretty impressive package.

But I still say beal ain't worth all that. Rather just clear the space and go hard to pair Drummond and oladipo with our cap space. Use our exceptions to add a vet pg and another big. Maybe ish Smith and Robin lopez for cheap. Feel we will still be every bit as good going this route as landing beal.

[gobullschi]

Opt, lauri, 2/3 1st for Beal
Carter jr forRose

Rose/white
Lavine/Sato
Beal/Williams
Young/Felicio
Gafford

I’m all-in on Bradley Beal but I would be shocked if a team like New Orleans didn’t sweep him up first with their treasure chest of picks.

I hate the WCJ trade for D-Rose. It’s selling low and he is a free agent next season.

I haven’t given up hope on Lauri Markkanen yet, but by the deadline things could be a lot different. I still want to see Billy Donovan give him more minutes at center, and I love how he’s putting him in more situations to score attacking the basket.

My preference would be a package of Coby, WCJ, Felicio (expiring), 2 or 3 1st Round Picks, & 2 or 3 pick swaps. Target Drummond in free agency. Maybe D-Rose signs a team friendly deal to retire a Bull?

LaVine / Rose
Beal / Valentine
Williams / Hutchison
Markkanen / 2nd
Drummond / WCJ / Gafford

[MisterRoy]

Not too sure how serious Houston is with Wall but I would like to see how he runs with our starters.


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[gobullschi]

Yes if Bulls keep Markkanen.

[sco]

Otto/White/Hutch plus our unprotected 2021 1st and our top 10 protected 2023 1st for Beal/RoLo

[Hangtime84]

Wherever Beal goes I hope he goes on his own terms

[MGB8]

Otto is better than Bledsoe dude.

Bledsoe is on one of the worst contracts in the league.

That's hyperbole.

Bledsoe is in the books for $16,875,000 this year, $18,125,000 next year, and is guaranteed only 3.9M of the following year's salary ($19,375,000).

I mean, he's not worth that amount, but that's not near Russell Westbrook, John Wall, Al Horford, Kevin Love, Andrew Wiggins (though his recent play has mitigated the awfulness of the deal from bottom 3 to just "really bad"), D'Angelo Russell, Draymond Green (given his decline and 3 more years at over 25M/year despite being over 30), Joe Harris (over 18M/year in next *3* seasons after this for a 29 year old elite shooter who doesn't give you much else).

Even Middleton (over 37M/year for next 3 years for a currently 29 1/2 year old guy who, despite amazing advanced stats is really a "2nd tier" all-star) and CJ McCullom (33M/year for the next 3 years for 29 1/2 year old guy who also puts up elite advanced stats but is a 2nd tier all-sart... and doesn't give you Middleton's defense).

The 3.9M in 23-24 would be waive and stretched and basically a non-entity. Bledsoe is current shooting 44% overall, 40% from 3, per36 he puts up ~16/4.5/4.5. Poor defensive rating but a lot of that is on that team, generally, where they don't seem to know how to defend. Poor +/- and middling to poor advanced stats... but not near as bad as Coby White's current advanced stats and +/-....

Bledsoe actually could be an opportunity if the Bulls wanted to get a low tier asset (2nd rounder) in return for giving a team cap relief. Sato (PG depth for the Pels + only guaranteed for 5M next season) + Felcio (expiting) work on trade checker... get back Bledsoe and a 2nd? And if they don't want Sato, even Felicio, Valentine (if he agrees to the trade) and Archi (3M team option for next season) also works...

[MGB8]

Otto/White/Hutch plus our unprotected 2021 1st and our top 10 protected 2023 1st for Beal/RoLo

Beal is going to bring back more than that. Unfortunately. I don't see a path to acquiring him for the Bulls that would be worth the cost.

[JMAC3]

Graham, Rozier and our first this year top 4 Protected for Lavine and Arcidiacono.

Rozier is averaging just under 20, so he can give you some of what Lavine does and his contract is roughly the same. Graham is a really solid asset right now because his Cap Hold is only 2 Million this summer which maximizes spending and you can still bring him back. Obviously the pick is what is most valuable giving you two lottery picks to build around Pat, White, Lauri.

We would need another guard for depth so I threw in Arch.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Young and Temple for Dinwidde and Shamet. If Spencer chose to test fa with his player option you have additional cap space arround 12 mil. Shamet is dead eye shooter and good defender, capable more or less playing one to three. Nets do this because defensive improvement and experience.

[imagge]

Graham, Rozier and our first this year top 4 Protected for Lavine and Arcidiacono.

Rozier is averaging just under 20, so he can give you some of what Lavine does and his contract is roughly the same. Graham is a really solid asset right now because his Cap Hold is only 2 Million this summer which maximizes spending and you can still bring him back. Obviously the pick is what is most valuable giving you two lottery picks to build around Pat, White, Lauri.

We would need another guard for depth so I threw in Arch.

No when was the last time a 27 pt scorer was traded without demanding a trade?

[Andi Obst]

Otto/White/Hutch plus our unprotected 2021 1st and our top 10 protected 2023 1st for Beal/RoLo

That’s nowhere near Beal‘s value. Terrible for the Wizards.