The Around The NBA Thread

Dominator83 · Post #1941 » by **Dominator83** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:15 pm

CobyWhite0 wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
Dominater wrote:Watching this just goes to show how off we are spending assets on Vuc. In today's NBA you need a center that can play some serious Defense, including switches. Even a great rim protector like Gobert was neutered because of his lack of ability to defend the perimeter. Ayton is the perfect modern day center imo. His game is both old school and new school.

You can mitigate Vuc's issues in the playoffs so long as he's rebounding. He can score and rebound, that will keep him on the floor even if he's weak on D.
We definitely have to have Williams evolve as a defender and grab a PG that can take on his man.

Great point about Vuc - Gobert was only "neutered" by his complete lack of any skills whatsoever on the offensive end of the floor.

A team with a center who can't punish smaller players in the post will always be susceptible to their opponents going small-ball on them. It's easy to draw Gobert away from the basket with a small-ball lineup, because he can't do anything to make the other team pay when he has the ball.

I will agree that I would rather have Vuc than Gobert. Gobert was made useless on both ends because he can't punish smaller players and make teams pay for going small on him. Atleast Vuc will get buckets.

Andi Obst · Post #1942 » by **Andi Obst** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:14 pm

The situation in Portland is looking more and more like Houston last offseason. Feels inevitable that the team breaks apart at some point in the not so far future. It’s probably not going to be pretty. Lillard‘s camp is clearly trying to control the narrative now.

Man, I wonder what kind of monster package they could get for Lillard.

bad knees · Post #1943 » by **bad knees** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:06 pm

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Jason Kidd new Dallas coach
Nico Harrison new Dallas GM

No surprises there...

Anyone else think that Jason Kidd is an extraordinarily high risk choice for the Mavs? He had some significant problems in his previous HC positions. Lots of weird mind games and chicanery. Maybe he's changed, but I could see this blowing up big time with Luka.

Post #1944 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:09 pm

Little Nathan wrote:The situation in Portland is looking more and more like Houston last offseason. Feels inevitable that the team breaks apart at some point in the not so far future. It’s probably not going to be pretty. Lillard‘s camp is clearly trying to control the narrative now.

Man, I wonder what kind of monster package they could get for Lillard.

Let’s be honest Portland likely needs to blow it up. What they get could be really interesting though. Cavs, OKC, Even GSW have assets if you are going full rebuild. You also flip CJ for assets too.

Post #1945 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:10 pm

bad knees wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Jason Kidd new Dallas coach
Nico Harrison new Dallas GM

No surprises there...

Anyone else think that Jason Kidd is an extraordinarily high risk choice for the Mavs? He had some significant problems in his previous HC positions. Lots of weird mind games and chicanery. Maybe he's changed, but I could see this blowing up big time with Luka.

No Kidd seems like it will be a train wreck for sure. Mavs seem like a train wreck in general though aside from having Luka, the rest is a dumpster fire from Cuban on down.

dice · Post #1946 » by **dice** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:24 am

bad knees wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Jason Kidd new Dallas coach
Nico Harrison new Dallas GM

No surprises there...

Anyone else think that Jason Kidd is an extraordinarily high risk choice for the Mavs? He had some significant problems in his previous HC positions. Lots of weird mind games and chicanery. Maybe he's changed, but I could see this blowing up big time with Luka.

not to mention the he assaulted his then-wife around 20 years ago and continued to have a contentious relationship with her for several years after that. which should not be an automatic disqualifier, but the mavs have had organizational issues more recently with regard to complaints from female employees

BullChit · Post #1947 » by **BullChit** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:58 am

Trae Young is something special

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TheSuzerain · Post #1948 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:37 am

Okongwu...

BullChit · Post #1949 » by **BullChit** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:45 am

Middleton?

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johnnyvann840 · Post #1950 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:54 am

Bucks taking over. Looking more and more like a Phoenix-Milwaukee NBA Finals. Middleton was unreal tonight. Trae Young ran out of gas and is hobbling around on a hurt ankle.. not good for the Hawks.

Chi town · Post #1951 » by **Chi town** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:00 am

Bucks Suns would be a blast. I’d take Suns in 7.

Post #1952 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:01 am

I knew Middleton would show up big for a game. Its like clockwork.

He is just crap for most of series then boom. I still dont trust him though.

MrFortune3 · Post #1953 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:15 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:I knew Middleton would show up big for a game. Its like clockwork.

He is just crap for most of series then boom. I still dont trust him though.

Middleton defers to Giannis too damn much. I know that sounds stupid as hell but it’s the truth.

PrimzyBulls81 · Post #1954 » by **PrimzyBulls81** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:58 am

bad knees wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Jason Kidd new Dallas coach
Nico Harrison new Dallas GM

No surprises there...

Anyone else think that Jason Kidd is an extraordinarily high risk choice for the Mavs? He had some significant problems in his previous HC positions. Lots of weird mind games and chicanery. Maybe he's changed, but I could see this blowing up big time with Luka.

Yep, I agree, high risk choice.. I would much rather go after Billups or Udoka, or just give J. Mosley a chance, former assistant.

Post #1955 » by **Ice Man** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:20 pm

Giannis and Middleton are the classic case of the MVP vs. the MIP. Giannis is the team's MVP, of course. Without him they are first round losers. But he's not the Most Important Player for determining their wins, because ironically he is too good. He always delivers. Which means that the Bucks rise and fall with Middleton's performance.

TheStig · Post #1956 » by **TheStig** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:28 pm

Chi town wrote:Bucks Suns would be a blast. I’d take Suns in 7.

Suns in 5-6. Milwaukee has not been really good this post season. They've just hit teams with injuries and weaker opponents.

CP3 is going to show why the Bucks should have gotten him over Holiday.

TheStig · Post #1957 » by **TheStig** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:30 pm

bad knees wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Jason Kidd new Dallas coach
Nico Harrison new Dallas GM

No surprises there...

Anyone else think that Jason Kidd is an extraordinarily high risk choice for the Mavs? He had some significant problems in his previous HC positions. Lots of weird mind games and chicanery. Maybe he's changed, but I could see this blowing up big time with Luka.

Kidd's main issue was that he was trying to take over the org. If that is not an issue like it wasn't in LA, he can be good. Still wouldn't have been my first choice.

Their main issue will be getting that 2nd guy. KP and Hardaway are good as 3-4 options. Can they pull something off in the offseason with their cap space and assets?

bad knees · Post #1958 » by **bad knees** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:50 pm

TheStig wrote:
bad knees wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Jason Kidd new Dallas coach
Nico Harrison new Dallas GM

No surprises there...

Anyone else think that Jason Kidd is an extraordinarily high risk choice for the Mavs? He had some significant problems in his previous HC positions. Lots of weird mind games and chicanery. Maybe he's changed, but I could see this blowing up big time with Luka.

Kidd's main issue was that he was trying to take over the org. If that is not an issue like it wasn't in LA, he can be good. Still wouldn't have been my first choice.

Their main issue will be getting that 2nd guy. KP and Hardaway are good as 3-4 options. Can they pull something off in the offseason with their cap space and assets?

He had other issues as well:

constantly critiquing his players
failure to take any responsibility for underachieving and instead overtly blaming players
he runs a Boylen-system defense with aggressive blitzing of PnR's
Bud followed him at Milwaukee and immediately won 60 games with a great defense
Personal conduct issues (wife beating, DWI, intentionally spilling a drink in order to get a timeout)

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-hiring-jason-kidd-as-dallas-mavericks-coach-creates-more-questions-than-answers/

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/23/16921324/jason-kidd-fired-bucks-coach-reasons-why

TheStig · Post #1959 » by **TheStig** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:55 pm

bad knees wrote:
TheStig wrote:
bad knees wrote:
Anyone else think that Jason Kidd is an extraordinarily high risk choice for the Mavs? He had some significant problems in his previous HC positions. Lots of weird mind games and chicanery. Maybe he's changed, but I could see this blowing up big time with Luka.

Kidd's main issue was that he was trying to take over the org. If that is not an issue like it wasn't in LA, he can be good. Still wouldn't have been my first choice.

Their main issue will be getting that 2nd guy. KP and Hardaway are good as 3-4 options. Can they pull something off in the offseason with their cap space and assets?

He had other issues as well:

constantly critiquing his players
failure to take any responsibility for underachieving and instead overtly blaming players
he runs a Boylen-system defense with aggressive blitzing of PnR's
Bud followed him at Milwaukee and immediately won 60 games with a great defense
Personal conduct issues (wife beating, DWI, intentionally spilling a drink in order to get a timeout)

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-hiring-jason-kidd-as-dallas-mavericks-coach-creates-more-questions-than-answers/

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/23/16921324/jason-kidd-fired-bucks-coach-reasons-why

The Bucks have not become some sort of success story. They've underachieved in the playoffs and Bud would have been fired if not for Harden and Kyrie injuries.

I do think the defense is too much all the time but it could work if he dialed it back and used occasionally only. It will depend on how much he's learned after his time with the Lakers. Can he improve? He went straight to HC with the nets and bucks. Now that he's had a year and gotten to be an assistant, I think improvement can be made.

Again, this wasn't my first choice. I think he'll do better this go around.

And the personal stuff is 20+ years old. The timeout was smart.

bad knees · Post #1960 » by **bad knees** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:13 pm

TheStig wrote:
bad knees wrote:
TheStig wrote:Kidd's main issue was that he was trying to take over the org. If that is not an issue like it wasn't in LA, he can be good. Still wouldn't have been my first choice.

Their main issue will be getting that 2nd guy. KP and Hardaway are good as 3-4 options. Can they pull something off in the offseason with their cap space and assets?

He had other issues as well:

constantly critiquing his players
failure to take any responsibility for underachieving and instead overtly blaming players
he runs a Boylen-system defense with aggressive blitzing of PnR's
Bud followed him at Milwaukee and immediately won 60 games with a great defense
Personal conduct issues (wife beating, DWI, intentionally spilling a drink in order to get a timeout)

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-hiring-jason-kidd-as-dallas-mavericks-coach-creates-more-questions-than-answers/

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/23/16921324/jason-kidd-fired-bucks-coach-reasons-why

The Bucks have not become some sort of success story. They've underachieved in the playoffs and Bud would have been fired if not for Harden and Kyrie injuries.

I do think the defense is too much all the time but it could work if he dialed it back and used occasionally only. It will depend on how much he's learned after his time with the Lakers. Can he improve? He went straight to HC with the nets and bucks. Now that he's had a year and gotten to be an assistant, I think improvement can be made.

Again, this wasn't my first choice. I think he'll do better this go around.

And the personal stuff is 20+ years old. The timeout was smart.

Bucks are substantially better with Bud than they were with Kidd.

He has a losing record over 4+ years as a HC.

He has had significant interpersonal problems over many years as a coach, a player and a spouse.

I'll agree with you that he would not be my first choice. Wouldn't be on my list, frankly. Should have gone with Jamaal Mosely, who they now will lose.