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If a team has a good defense, good o-line, weapons and no short of long term solution at QB, he's a good freaking option.


And if that team exists in 2022 im sure the Bears GM will reach out and at least discuss what they would pay for Foles.


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Hub is reporting that Pace and Quinn were super close to working together when they hired John Fox.

If you give him an elite young OC (JOE BRADY) he's proven to be a high level coach - dunno if I'd take him over Bowles tbh but I don't mind the idea of having an elite DC with Brady as OC.

That is unless we're able to lure a Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton back here.
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isn't this just virtue signaling? $25K is nothing to irsay. and there are countless kids who have lost parents that are not public figures who need the money much more. and certainly irsay could have done this anonymously
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isn't this just virtue signaling? $25K is nothing to irsay. and there are countless kids who have lost parents that are not public figures who need the money much more. and certainly irsay could have done this anonymously


In less than 24 hours the NFL/Chicago Sports Media world have raised over $650k for this kid.

Not sure much else needs to be said about it. His dad is sorely missed.
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isn't this just virtue signaling? $25K is nothing to irsay. and there are countless kids who have lost parents that are not public figures who need the money much more. and certainly irsay could have done this anonymously


In less than 24 hours the NFL/Chicago Sports Media world have raised over $650k for this kid.

Not sure much else needs to be said about it. His dad is sorely missed.

that's a good thing...but it has nothing to do with what i said. if only the kids of non-media figures had a fraction of the same support

i'd venture to guess that finances were the least of this kid's concerns
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Post#1950 » by nomorezorro » Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:25 am

i get the point you're trying to get at and there's probably something to be said about more just resource distribution, but you have to understand why it's off-putting to characterize a donation to an orphaned 11-year-old as "virtue signaling"
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Post#1952 » by dougthonus » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:35 pm

dice wrote:that's a good thing...but it has nothing to do with what i said. if only the kids of non-media figures had a fraction of the same support

i'd venture to guess that finances were the least of this kid's concerns


I would see no reason to think that he just inherited a fortune and has no need for money. Obviously losing both your parents is a bigger concern than money.
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Post#1953 » by dice » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:26 pm

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dice wrote:that's a good thing...but it has nothing to do with what i said. if only the kids of non-media figures had a fraction of the same support

i'd venture to guess that finances were the least of this kid's concerns


I would see no reason to think that he just inherited a fortune and has no need for money. Obviously losing both your parents is a bigger concern than money.

given that his mother died of cancer, his father very likely took out a substantial life insurance policy in the event that he too died prematurely. then there's savings/investments, a nice home that will get sold off. and he's probably is in a good situation in terms of caretakers as well, who themselves will emotionally and financially support him. it's highly unlikely that he's some financial charity case. and yet the charity is coming in piles...with names attached. the public nature of it probably also means that everyday people who maybe can't well afford to are chipping in as well. it surely well-intentioned, but...

certainly don't need a fortune to survive childhood
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Post#1954 » by dougthonus » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:31 pm

dice wrote:given that his mother died of cancer, his father very likely took out a substantial life insurance policy in the event that he too died prematurely. then there's savings/investments, a nice home that will get sold off. and he's probably is in a good situation in terms of caretakers as well, who themselves will emotionally and financially support him. it's highly unlikely that he's some financial charity case. and yet the charity is coming in piles...with names attached. the public nature of it probably also means that everyday people who maybe can't well afford to are chipping in as well. it surely well-intentioned, but...

certainly don't need a fortune to survive childhood


All of that is a set pretty of large assumptions. Beat reporters aren't big money earners, I doubt Jeff Dickerson was some hugely paid guy with tons of savings and a house that was paid off, and why make any assumptions whatsoever about potential caregivers he may have unless you know (which maybe you do, I haven't followed the story closely)?

Obviously the charity is rolling in because Jeff Dickerson was close to a ton of super wealthy people and had some degree of fame himself due to the public nature of his career. I doubt many people who can't afford to are chipping in with huge amounts of money, it's not like this pool is up to 10s of millions of dollars.
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Post#1955 » by fleet » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:36 pm

nomorezorro wrote:i get the point you're trying to get at and there's probably something to be said about more just resource distribution, but you have to understand why it's off-putting to characterize a donation to an orphaned 11-year-old as "virtue signaling"

It is a question of motivation. How altruist are you really? Not just virtue signaling. But when you publicize your donations you are buying yourself some praise in the public eye. In part you wanted credit for yourself. Question is would some public figure folks that sign their charitable donations give if they had to do it anonymously. I wonder.
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Post#1956 » by dice » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:37 pm

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dice wrote:given that his mother died of cancer, his father very likely took out a substantial life insurance policy in the event that he too died prematurely. then there's savings/investments, a nice home that will get sold off. and he's probably is in a good situation in terms of caretakers as well, who themselves will emotionally and financially support him. it's highly unlikely that he's some financial charity case. and yet the charity is coming in piles...with names attached. the public nature of it probably also means that everyday people who maybe can't well afford to are chipping in as well. it surely well-intentioned, but...

certainly don't need a fortune to survive childhood


All of that is a set pretty of large assumptions. Beat reporters aren't big money earners, I doubt Jeff Dickerson was some hugely paid guy with tons of savings and a house that was paid off, and why make any assumptions whatsoever about potential caregivers he may have unless you know (which maybe you do, I haven't followed the story closely)?

Obviously the charity is rolling in because Jeff Dickerson was close to a ton of super wealthy people and had some degree of fame himself due to the public nature of his career. I doubt many people who can't afford to are chipping in with huge amounts of money, it's not like this pool is up to 10s of millions of dollars.

his net worth was reportedly in the millions (median american family's is $120K). and to donate money makes the opposite assumption: that the kid is likely to be financially hurting without the charity. whereas we KNOW that there are plenty of kids who need the charity. and there are organizations that support them that can be donated to...anonymously

also, the goal was to raise $100K. at what point do the organizers say "OK, folks. we appreciate your generosity. we're good. kid's gonna be fine financially, college is paid for...if you loved jeff dickerson please make a donation to such-and-such charity"

if the gofund me money alone is invested wisely, the kid may never have to work a day in his life
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Post#1957 » by nomorezorro » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:49 pm

i do admire dice for being brave enough to just come out and cast aspersions on the cancer orphan fund because like. i know it’s not in good taste to say “i have problems with these donations to an orphan child”…but i’d be lying if i didn’t see schefter on day two of rallying his rich friends to donate money to this one kid with $900k already coming his way and instinctively think “ok i think you’ve got him covered at this point”
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Post#1958 » by fleet » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:51 pm

Who organized the fund? It is kind of odd in a way, because I don’t believe JD died suddenly. If he got hit by a car, then a fund page might get tossed up there quickly by people that may not have known already the kid was ok financially.
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Post#1959 » by CaPiTanAK » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:07 am

Someone needs to write a book about ingenious millennium way to get money nowadays instead of old fashionable go on the street and beg. Work smarter, not harder is the motto.
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Post#1960 » by Susan » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:03 am

fleet wrote:Who organized the fund? It is kind of odd in a way, because I don’t believe JD died suddenly. If he got hit by a car, then a fund page might get tossed up there quickly by people that may not have known already the kid was ok financially.


His sister in law.

Beat writers don't make that much money.

JD was a grinder - he was doing national shows with Jay Hood and covered the Bears beat for twenty years and all sorts of random tasks ESPN would have him do (producing, fill in host, writing on ESPN.com when they made a local push in 2009) but I don't think he was balling out. Some of the radio personalities do get paid extremely well but JD was not in that sphere.

From a local perspective, I appreciate what the local media guys are doing - it's literally all they can do in this very moment, use their reach to help make sure that their friend's child is taken care of. Schefter using his reach to get major owners to throw in a substantial amount of change in to help bring this thing up to nearly a million is cool because he's literally the only person that's capable of making this sort of thing happen.

If we want to talk about billionaire philanthropy, wealth inequality and the inequities that we face as a society, I guess we can but really, I just wanna laugh at the fact that we might be seeing Nick Foles face Mike Glennon this weekend or better yet - Jake Fromm go up against Justin Fields.

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