NBA Trade Thread #11

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[BullChit]

Hearing a lot about Zion interest... How is he going this year.

I heard he is at his lightest playing weight and seen some dunks but is his play any good?

Tried looking it up but all you can find is fan boys gushing and I don't really trust them for analysis.

[WesPeace]

He looks good, all star level and looking finally healthy and much lighter.. but yeah, will it last?!

[sco]

He looks good, all star level and looking finally healthy and much lighter.. but yeah, will it last?!

I agree. That said, the combination of his injury history and his limited offensive game would give me pause in giving up much for him. Offensively he's a force at attacking the rim, but he's not a 3pt shooter, he's not a great FT shooter either. He's a decent ball handler and passer, but not a PG. To be successful with him, you need a bunch of 3pt shooters, including your C, to give him space to work. In a lot of ways, it is similar to what we had with Demar.

Would I give up a bunch of expirings and our 1st this season, sure, but I don't think that would be enough.

[Infinity2152]

He looks good, all star level and looking finally healthy and much lighter.. but yeah, will it last?!

I agree. That said, the combination of his injury history and his limited offensive game would give me pause in giving up much for him. Offensively he's a force at attacking the rim, but he's not a 3pt shooter, he's not a great FT shooter either. He's a decent ball handler and passer, but not a PG. To be successful with him, you need a bunch of 3pt shooters, including your C, to give him space to work. In a lot of ways, it is similar to what we had with Demar.

Would I give up a bunch of expirings and our 1st this season, sure, but I don't think that would be enough.

Everybody's so focused on tank tank tank, took a look to see teams looks with the number 1 pick the last 10 years.

2024 | No. 1 pick — Zaccharie Risacher (Atlanta Hawks)
2023 | No. 1 pick — Victor Wembanyama (San Antonio Spurs)
2022 | No. 1 pick — Paolo Banchero (Orlando Magic)
2021 | No. 1 pick — Cade Cunningham (Detroit Pistons)
2020 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Edwards (Minnesota Timberwolves)
2019 | No. 1 pick — Zion Williamson (New Orleans Pelicans)
2018 | No. 1 pick — Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns)
2017 | No. 1 pick — Markelle Fultz (Philadelphia 76ers)
2016 | No. 1 pick — Ben Simmons (Philadelphia 76ers)
2015 | No. 1 pick — Karl-Anthony Towns (Minnesota Timberwolves)
2014 | No. 1 pick — Andrew Wiggins (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2013 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Bennett (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2012 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
2011 | No. 1 pick — Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2010 | No. 1 pick — John Wall (Washington Wizards)

I'm looking at if a team tanked hard enough to get the number 1 pick (and picked the same player, usually the popular pick), would they have a guy you'd think could be the number 1 on a championship team. I'd say maybe Wemby and Edwards. What you're saying about Zion, his health takes him out, as well as Anthony Davis. None of them are top 5 players, Edwards, Wemby and maybe Kyrie may crack some top 10 lists. Not one is on an actual contender this year.

While the top 10 list of guys who could really carry a team to the championship for the last decade has been dominated by Lebron drafted 20 years ago, and four much later picks, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis, Jokic. Oh, add Jimmy Butler to the list. The new current top dog is #11 pick, SGA.

Just a little hope in case we don't get a high pick, lol.

Damn shame we drafted that guy who could still be our number 1, Butler, and let him go. With a late pick.

[2weekswithpay]

This might be the best stretch of Zion's career. With no Ingram or Murray, Zion's has increased his usage and he looks great. He looks like he's taken a leap as a passer and his offensive production is up across the board.

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[Infinity2152]

Any thoughts on what the asking price for Zion would be if he keeps playing like this? That's if the Pelicans want to trade a finally healthy Zion.

[Ccwatercraft]

I think any Brownback is pointless, we don't have the assets to Pull it off even if he was on the block.

Zion seems more gettable, buy I'm not confident that he's the answer. Honestly if we want a star we need to find one that isn't a star yet, like what okc pulled off with getting sga, or getting lucky (smart) in the draft.

Who those targets might be is above my pay grade, I rarely watch anything other than the Bulls and don't get heavy into sports talk or articles, too many other distractions.

[WesPeace]

I think any Brownback is pointless, we don't have the assets to Pull it off even if he was on the block.

Zion seems more gettable, buy I'm not confident that he's the answer. Honestly if we want a star we need to find one that isn't a star yet, like what okc pulled off with getting sga, or getting lucky (smart) in the draft.

Who those targets might be is above my pay grade, I rarely watch anything other than the Bulls and don't get heavy into sports talk or articles, too many other distractions.

If we go after a star in a FA or trade I would want two-way high IQ guy, who can also shoot 3pt and FT..not like Zion who cant at all. He is too risky, bad shooter and injury history. Also let Bulls focus on Matas as PF starter and try to get other building blocks. I dont want to see Matas as SF, because he is good blocker and has great size for some rim protection and rebounding.

[Jcool0]

I think any Brownback is pointless, we don't have the assets to Pull it off even if he was on the block.

Zion seems more gettable, buy I'm not confident that he's the answer. Honestly if we want a star we need to find one that isn't a star yet, like what okc pulled off with getting sga, or getting lucky (smart) in the draft.

Who those targets might be is above my pay grade, I rarely watch anything other than the Bulls and don't get heavy into sports talk or articles, too many other distractions.

If we go after a star in a FA or trade I would want two-way high IQ guy, who can also shoot 3pt and FT..not like Zion who cant at all. He is too risky, bad shooter and injury history. Also let Bulls focus on Matas as PF starter and try to get other building blocks. I dont want to see Matas as SF, because he is good blocker and has great size for some rim protection and rebounding.

Zion is a unicorn. If he can stay healthy he is easily one of the 10 best players in the NBA. Now injuries are a big issue with him. It might just be a weight thing... But just as likely be a play style thing. Something you can never really fix. Now with Coby playing better maybe that is enough with the right package... But i dont think the 10th pick + Coby and whatever would do it right now. You would need more 6th pick at worst.

[jnrjr79]

He looks good, all star level and looking finally healthy and much lighter.. but yeah, will it last?!

I agree. That said, the combination of his injury history and his limited offensive game would give me pause in giving up much for him. Offensively he's a force at attacking the rim, but he's not a 3pt shooter, he's not a great FT shooter either. He's a decent ball handler and passer, but not a PG. To be successful with him, you need a bunch of 3pt shooters, including your C, to give him space to work. In a lot of ways, it is similar to what we had with Demar.

Would I give up a bunch of expirings and our 1st this season, sure, but I don't think that would be enough.

Everybody's so focused on tank tank tank, took a look to see teams looks with the number 1 pick the last 10 years.

2024 | No. 1 pick — Zaccharie Risacher (Atlanta Hawks)
2023 | No. 1 pick — Victor Wembanyama (San Antonio Spurs)
2022 | No. 1 pick — Paolo Banchero (Orlando Magic)
2021 | No. 1 pick — Cade Cunningham (Detroit Pistons)
2020 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Edwards (Minnesota Timberwolves)
2019 | No. 1 pick — Zion Williamson (New Orleans Pelicans)
2018 | No. 1 pick — Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns)
2017 | No. 1 pick — Markelle Fultz (Philadelphia 76ers)
2016 | No. 1 pick — Ben Simmons (Philadelphia 76ers)
2015 | No. 1 pick — Karl-Anthony Towns (Minnesota Timberwolves)
2014 | No. 1 pick — Andrew Wiggins (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2013 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Bennett (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2012 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
2011 | No. 1 pick — Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2010 | No. 1 pick — John Wall (Washington Wizards)

I'm looking at if a team tanked hard enough to get the number 1 pick (and picked the same player, usually the popular pick), would they have a guy you'd think could be the number 1 on a championship team. I'd say maybe Wemby and Edwards. What you're saying about Zion, his health takes him out, as well as Anthony Davis. None of them are top 5 players, Edwards, Wemby and maybe Kyrie may crack some top 10 lists. Not one is on an actual contender this year.

While the top 10 list of guys who could really carry a team to the championship for the last decade has been dominated by Lebron drafted 20 years ago, and four much later picks, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis, Jokic. Oh, add Jimmy Butler to the list. The new current top dog is #11 pick, SGA.

Just a little hope in case we don't get a high pick, lol.

Damn shame we drafted that guy who could still be our number 1, Butler, and let him go. With a late pick.

Yeah, your chance of hitting is better at #1 than at any other individual slot, but the field handily wins over #1.

[WesPeace]

I think any Brownback is pointless, we don't have the assets to Pull it off even if he was on the block.

Zion seems more gettable, buy I'm not confident that he's the answer. Honestly if we want a star we need to find one that isn't a star yet, like what okc pulled off with getting sga, or getting lucky (smart) in the draft.

Who those targets might be is above my pay grade, I rarely watch anything other than the Bulls and don't get heavy into sports talk or articles, too many other distractions.

If we go after a star in a FA or trade I would want two-way high IQ guy, who can also shoot 3pt and FT..not like Zion who cant at all. He is too risky, bad shooter and injury history. Also let Bulls focus on Matas as PF starter and try to get other building blocks. I dont want to see Matas as SF, because he is good blocker and has great size for some rim protection and rebounding.

Zion is a unicorn. If he can stay healthy he is easily one of the 10 best players in the NBA. Now injuries are a big issue with him. It might just be a weight thing... But just as likely be a play style thing. Something you can never really fix. Now with Coby playing better maybe that is enough with the right package... But i dont think the 10th pick + Coby and whatever would do it right now. You would need more 6th pick at worst.

I kinda dont see a good fit with Bulls for Zion, mainly because I dont want to move Matas to bench role to accomodate Zion at PF.
Also I dont see any trade with them that would make sense for both teams..

[Jcool0]

If we go after a star in a FA or trade I would want two-way high IQ guy, who can also shoot 3pt and FT..not like Zion who cant at all. He is too risky, bad shooter and injury history. Also let Bulls focus on Matas as PF starter and try to get other building blocks. I dont want to see Matas as SF, because he is good blocker and has great size for some rim protection and rebounding.

Zion is a unicorn. If he can stay healthy he is easily one of the 10 best players in the NBA. Now injuries are a big issue with him. It might just be a weight thing... But just as likely be a play style thing. Something you can never really fix. Now with Coby playing better maybe that is enough with the right package... But i dont think the 10th pick + Coby and whatever would do it right now. You would need more 6th pick at worst.

I kinda dont see a good fit with Bulls for Zion, mainly because I dont want to move Matas to bench role to accomodate Zion at PF.
Also I dont see any trade with them that would make sense for both teams..

Matas has never really been a PF. He is a wing more suited for the SF position. It would be an easy fit with them.

[Infinity2152]

I agree. That said, the combination of his injury history and his limited offensive game would give me pause in giving up much for him. Offensively he's a force at attacking the rim, but he's not a 3pt shooter, he's not a great FT shooter either. He's a decent ball handler and passer, but not a PG. To be successful with him, you need a bunch of 3pt shooters, including your C, to give him space to work. In a lot of ways, it is similar to what we had with Demar.

Would I give up a bunch of expirings and our 1st this season, sure, but I don't think that would be enough.

Everybody's so focused on tank tank tank, took a look to see teams looks with the number 1 pick the last 10 years.

2024 | No. 1 pick — Zaccharie Risacher (Atlanta Hawks)
2023 | No. 1 pick — Victor Wembanyama (San Antonio Spurs)
2022 | No. 1 pick — Paolo Banchero (Orlando Magic)
2021 | No. 1 pick — Cade Cunningham (Detroit Pistons)
2020 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Edwards (Minnesota Timberwolves)
2019 | No. 1 pick — Zion Williamson (New Orleans Pelicans)
2018 | No. 1 pick — Deandre Ayton (Phoenix Suns)
2017 | No. 1 pick — Markelle Fultz (Philadelphia 76ers)
2016 | No. 1 pick — Ben Simmons (Philadelphia 76ers)
2015 | No. 1 pick — Karl-Anthony Towns (Minnesota Timberwolves)
2014 | No. 1 pick — Andrew Wiggins (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2013 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Bennett (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2012 | No. 1 pick — Anthony Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
2011 | No. 1 pick — Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2010 | No. 1 pick — John Wall (Washington Wizards)

I'm looking at if a team tanked hard enough to get the number 1 pick (and picked the same player, usually the popular pick), would they have a guy you'd think could be the number 1 on a championship team. I'd say maybe Wemby and Edwards. What you're saying about Zion, his health takes him out, as well as Anthony Davis. None of them are top 5 players, Edwards, Wemby and maybe Kyrie may crack some top 10 lists. Not one is on an actual contender this year.

While the top 10 list of guys who could really carry a team to the championship for the last decade has been dominated by Lebron drafted 20 years ago, and four much later picks, Kawhi, Steph, Giannis, Jokic. Oh, add Jimmy Butler to the list. The new current top dog is #11 pick, SGA.

Just a little hope in case we don't get a high pick, lol.

Damn shame we drafted that guy who could still be our number 1, Butler, and let him go. With a late pick.

Yeah, your chance of hitting is better at #1 than at any other individual slot, but the field handily wins over #1.

The other point is player evaluation is way more important than having a high draft pick. We've had high enough draft picks to get most of the guys who are actually leading teams to championships, outside Lebron. Everybody wants the highest pick of course, you have more options. The guys who can lead a team to a championship usually stay in the league so long, it's hard for a new "#1" option to get in for a lot of years. Giannis, SGA, Jokic, Ant Edwards, Luka, Haliburton and now Wemby and Banchero, etc ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Why I like the continue to build and improve model over the tanking model. Even if you get that great young guy, if you're already a bottom team in the league, you can expect to not contend for 4-5 years at least. And no young guys are leading teams to championships, really.

The only #1 pick actually leading his team to championships has done it on two different teams that didn't draft him, and didn't do it for the team that drafted him until he left and came back.

My dark horse favorite to win the West now is the Warriors. Steph, Jimmy, Draymond is going to be TOUGH in the playoffs. Probably going against one of the oldest teams in the East, the Celtics.

[NecessaryEvil]

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They could have lost by a hundo and I’d still want this beast on my Bulls. When Zion is on, he’s technically unstoppable

[Muzbar]

They could have lost by a hundo and I’d still want this beast on my Bulls. When Zion is on, he’s technically unstoppable

If by on, you mean 'on the court', then sure, but that's a rare occurrence.

[WesPeace]

Zion is a unicorn. If he can stay healthy he is easily one of the 10 best players in the NBA. Now injuries are a big issue with him. It might just be a weight thing... But just as likely be a play style thing. Something you can never really fix. Now with Coby playing better maybe that is enough with the right package... But i dont think the 10th pick + Coby and whatever would do it right now. You would need more 6th pick at worst.

I kinda dont see a good fit with Bulls for Zion, mainly because I dont want to move Matas to bench role to accomodate Zion at PF.
Also I dont see any trade with them that would make sense for both teams..

Matas has never really been a PF. He is a wing more suited for the SF position. It would be an easy fit with them.

What you mean really never been PF? He played for Bulls already as PF.. I said 100x times already he is better suited for PF especially because of rim protection, blocks, rebounds and a bit poorer 3pt shooting.. when he will add some muscles,even more suited for PF, pure size for it..

[NecessaryEvil]

Frankly, I don’t give a damn what position if Matas plays if we get Zion.

Zion’s 24 and a #1 option.

Matas still needs work. Love him though.

[Jcool0]

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