2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Dan Z]

So let’s say rumors come true…

Demin at 12.

Late 1st for Vuc and we get Drake.

Where are the mins???

Zo/Ayo/Demin
Coby/Huerter
Giddey/Buz/Drake
Buz/Pat
Collins/Smith

Who will give up a late first for Vucevic? Maybe a team offers it if the Bulls take on a bad contract, but reports are that the Bulls won't do that.

[Chi town]

So let’s say rumors come true…

Demin at 12.

Late 1st for Vuc and we get Drake.

Where are the mins???

Zo/Ayo/Demin
Coby/Huerter
Giddey/Buz/Drake
Buz/Pat
Collins/Smith

Who will give up a late first for Vucevic? Maybe a team offers it if the Bulls take on a bad contract, but reports are that the Bulls won't do that.

Vuc and 45 could get a late 1st. Maybe from a team that has multiple 1sts.

[Dan Z]

So let’s say rumors come true…

Demin at 12.

Late 1st for Vuc and we get Drake.

Where are the mins???

Zo/Ayo/Demin
Coby/Huerter
Giddey/Buz/Drake
Buz/Pat
Collins/Smith

Who will give up a late first for Vucevic? Maybe a team offers it if the Bulls take on a bad contract, but reports are that the Bulls won't do that.

Vuc and 45 could get a late 1st. Maybe from a team that has multiple 1sts.

Brooklyn, Utah and OKC have multiple first round picks. Why would they want Vucevic?

The 45th pick has limited value. How many players selected 45th and lower end up being nba level?

[HomoSapien]

Who will give up a late first for Vucevic? Maybe a team offers it if the Bulls take on a bad contract, but reports are that the Bulls won't do that.

Vuc and 45 could get a late 1st. Maybe from a team that has multiple 1sts.

Brooklyn, Utah and OKC have multiple first round picks. Why would they want Vucevic?

The 45th pick has limited value. How many players selected 45th and lower end up being nba level?

Orlando is a team I could see consider Vuc. They have a warm history with him, Carter is underwhelming and injury prone, and Wagner is coming off a big injury. They were exposed in the playoffs, and couldn't get any offense outside of Banchero and Franz Wanger. They also already have a ton of young guys that aren't getting a ton of minutes yet (Black, Howard, Da Silva) so does adding two rookies make sense? I'd say no.

Vuc for KCP and 26 could make sense.

[Dan Z]

Vuc and 45 could get a late 1st. Maybe from a team that has multiple 1sts.

Brooklyn, Utah and OKC have multiple first round picks. Why would they want Vucevic?

The 45th pick has limited value. How many players selected 45th and lower end up being nba level?

Orlando is a team I could see consider Vuc. They have a warm history with him, Carter is underwhelming and injury prone, and Wagner is coming off a big injury. They were exposed in the playoffs, and couldn't get any offense outside of Banchero and Franz Wanger. They also already have a ton of young guys that aren't getting a ton of minutes yet (Black, Howard, Da Silva) so does adding two rookies make sense? I'd say no.

Vuc for KCP and 26 could make sense.

I agree that could make sense, but is AK willing to take on KCPs contract?

Keep in mind that AK said no to taking on Harrison Barnes for the Kings pick swap.

[HomoSapien]

Brooklyn, Utah and OKC have multiple first round picks. Why would they want Vucevic?

The 45th pick has limited value. How many players selected 45th and lower end up being nba level?

Orlando is a team I could see consider Vuc. They have a warm history with him, Carter is underwhelming and injury prone, and Wagner is coming off a big injury. They were exposed in the playoffs, and couldn't get any offense outside of Banchero and Franz Wanger. They also already have a ton of young guys that aren't getting a ton of minutes yet (Black, Howard, Da Silva) so does adding two rookies make sense? I'd say no.

Vuc for KCP and 26 could make sense.

I agree that could make sense, but is AK willing to take on KCPs contract?

Keep in mind that AK said no to taking on Harrison Barnes for the Kings pick swap.

Who knows, but I'm hopeful he would because KCP should be a relatively easy flip.

[nomorezorro]

i could be wrong, but i don't really think orlando would be interested in using KCP as salary filler unless they were getting a better piece back than vucevic (and ideally a guard who's a 3pt threat)

they don't exactly have an abundance of floor spacers, and it would be selling low on a dude who they obviously valued highly last summer and just happened to put up an abnormally bad shooting season in the first year of his deal.

[HomoSapien]

I could see Kon Kneuppel being a guy who surprisingly falls a bit. Not sure if he could fall all the way to 12, but he strikes me as a guy that ends up getting overlooked as teams try to hit home runs and make splashier picks.

[Chi town]

Vuc and 45 could get a late 1st. Maybe from a team that has multiple 1sts.

Brooklyn, Utah and OKC have multiple first round picks. Why would they want Vucevic?

The 45th pick has limited value. How many players selected 45th and lower end up being nba level?

No way we taking that KCP contract

Orlando is a team I could see consider Vuc. They have a warm history with him, Carter is underwhelming and injury prone, and Wagner is coming off a big injury. They were exposed in the playoffs, and couldn't get any offense outside of Banchero and Franz Wanger. They also already have a ton of young guys that aren't getting a ton of minutes yet (Black, Howard, Da Silva) so does adding two rookies make sense? I'd say no.

Vuc for KCP and 26 could make sense.

[Chi town]

I could see Kon Kneuppel being a guy who surprisingly falls a bit. Not sure if he could fall all the way to 12, but he strikes me as a guy that ends up getting overlooked as teams try to hit home runs and make splashier picks.

I think the opposite. I think he could go higher. Sounds like Sixers want him and wwant to trade back and pick him later.

Think his floor is 7 to the Pels

[HomoSapien]

No way we taking that KCP contract

Why not? It's longer than Vuc's by one season and will be expiring in year two. It's not that prohibitive. Plus, he's a fairly tradeable player.

[burlydee]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

To be blunt, the short term can suck it. And I’m not limiting that to picking Demin. No matter who we pick it better damn we’ll be based on who we think will end up being the best. Not who will be the best next year or even the year after.

That's easy to say. The reality is that if a guy isn't productive in his 1st year and doesn't have a clear development plan they can easily get lost in the shuffle. You have to have a vision of how a guy gets on the court and what productive thing he does when he gets there or yiu literally end up with Terry. If he shoots 27% from 3, can't defend and is like the 5th best point guard on the team, how does he get on the court?

[BullsSD]

Round 1: Essengue/Fleming
Round 2: Raynaud/Kalk/Rocco

Acquire Coward somehow.

Giddey/Ayo
Coby/Coward
Buzelis/Terry
Essengue or Flem/Smith
Collins/C Pick

[Muzbar]

Vuc and 45 could get a late 1st. Maybe from a team that has multiple 1sts.

Brooklyn, Utah and OKC have multiple first round picks. Why would they want Vucevic?

The 45th pick has limited value. How many players selected 45th and lower end up being nba level?

Orlando is a team I could see consider Vuc. They have a warm history with him, Carter is underwhelming and injury prone, and Wagner is coming off a big injury. They were exposed in the playoffs, and couldn't get any offense outside of Banchero and Franz Wanger. They also already have a ton of young guys that aren't getting a ton of minutes yet (Black, Howard, Da Silva) so does adding two rookies make sense? I'd say no.

Vuc for KCP and 26 could make sense.

Really? Personally, I think he'd be a terrible fit in Orlando, i̶s̶n̶'t̶ r̶i̶m̶ p̶r̶o̶t̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ o̶n̶e̶ o̶f̶ t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ w̶e̶a̶k̶n̶e̶s̶s̶e̶s̶?̶ Plus they have WCJ/Mo/Goga and arguably Jonathan Issac at the C position.

His only fit in Orlando is as an expiring contract, IMO.

I don't think any of the late teams are a good 'fit'for Vuc.

Edit: Seems it was the opposite of their weakness...

[Jcool0]

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[Jcool0]

I could see Kon Kneuppel being a guy who surprisingly falls a bit. Not sure if he could fall all the way to 12, but he strikes me as a guy that ends up getting overlooked as teams try to hit home runs and make splashier picks.

If Knueppel wasn't white he would be locked in at #4.

[DuckIII]

Demin would be in the line of Terry-Williams in that he's more theoretical than actual. The big difference between this and Matas is that they would be taking him on the high end of his range where they took Matas on the low end. Demin isn't a guy who i would expect to be productive in his first season.

It would be a swing for the fences pick. I'll give all the guys a chance but I don't see a clear pathway to production in the short term.

To be blunt, the short term can suck it. And I’m not limiting that to picking Demin. No matter who we pick it better damn we’ll be based on who we think will end up being the best. Not who will be the best next year or even the year after.

That's easy to say. The reality is that if a guy isn't productive in his 1st year and doesn't have a clear development plan they can easily get lost in the shuffle. You have to have a vision of how a guy gets on the court and what productive thing he does when he gets there or yiu literally end up with Terry. If he shoots 27% from 3, can't defend and is like the 5th best point guard on the team, how does he get on the court?

Terry is irrelevant because he sucks. That’s the only reason he’s not good. Obviously the key to getting on the court is to not suck like Terry. Who still plays by the way.

There is not a single player being discussed at 12 who won’t later start on the Bulls if he develops well. We aren’t good.

[League Circles]

To be blunt, the short term can suck it. And I’m not limiting that to picking Demin. No matter who we pick it better damn we’ll be based on who we think will end up being the best. Not who will be the best next year or even the year after.

That's easy to say. The reality is that if a guy isn't productive in his 1st year and doesn't have a clear development plan they can easily get lost in the shuffle. You have to have a vision of how a guy gets on the court and what productive thing he does when he gets there or yiu literally end up with Terry. If he shoots 27% from 3, can't defend and is like the 5th best point guard on the team, how does he get on the court?

Terry is irrelevant because he sucks. That’s the only reason he’s not good. Obviously the key to getting on the court is to not suck like Terry. Who still plays by the way.

There is not a single player being discussed at 12 who won’t later start on the Bulls if he develops well. We aren’t good.

Of course there are. We have Giddey and Coby, who panned out as #6 and #7 picks and play point. If a reasonable #12 pick who is also a point (like Demin or several others) develops well (say they become the 8th best player in this draft), they could still easily be inferior to those two forever, and due to lack of complementary skills, never start alongside them.

To be perfectly honest there is no obvious path to be a starter for almost any draftee at 12 - they'll really have to stand out. Obviously they'd have to do so to unseat Coby, Giddey or Matas, but even to unseat Smith (a #10 pick who has developed IMO), Ball (#2 pick who developed), Ayo, Huerter it won't be an easy task. Most of the time a guy has to be near a top 5 player in a draft to be an eventual fixture as a starter, and that's not projected from the 12 spot.

[Red Larrivee]

That's easy to say. The reality is that if a guy isn't productive in his 1st year and doesn't have a clear development plan they can easily get lost in the shuffle. You have to have a vision of how a guy gets on the court and what productive thing he does when he gets there or yiu literally end up with Terry. If he shoots 27% from 3, can't defend and is like the 5th best point guard on the team, how does he get on the court?

Terry is irrelevant because he sucks. That’s the only reason he’s not good. Obviously the key to getting on the court is to not suck like Terry. Who still plays by the way.

There is not a single player being discussed at 12 who won’t later start on the Bulls if he develops well. We aren’t good.

Of course there are. We have Giddey and Coby, who panned out as #6 and #7 picks and play point. If a reasonable #12 pick who is also a point (like Demin or several others) develops well (say they become the 8th best player in this draft), they could still easily be inferior to those two forever, and due to lack of complementary skills, never start alongside them.

To be perfectly honest there is no obvious path to be a starter for almost any draftee at 12 - they'll really have to stand out. Obviously they'd have to do so to unseat Coby, Giddey or Matas, but even to unseat Smith (a #10 pick who has developed IMO), Ball (#2 pick who developed), Ayo, Huerter it won't be an easy task. Most of the time a guy has to be near a top 5 player in a draft to be an eventual fixture as a starter, and that's not projected from the 12 spot.

Coby is on a one year deal. We really don't know if he has a future on this team. Hell, he could be moved in the offseason.

[League Circles]

Terry is irrelevant because he sucks. That’s the only reason he’s not good. Obviously the key to getting on the court is to not suck like Terry. Who still plays by the way.

There is not a single player being discussed at 12 who won’t later start on the Bulls if he develops well. We aren’t good.

Of course there are. We have Giddey and Coby, who panned out as #6 and #7 picks and play point. If a reasonable #12 pick who is also a point (like Demin or several others) develops well (say they become the 8th best player in this draft), they could still easily be inferior to those two forever, and due to lack of complementary skills, never start alongside them.

To be perfectly honest there is no obvious path to be a starter for almost any draftee at 12 - they'll really have to stand out. Obviously they'd have to do so to unseat Coby, Giddey or Matas, but even to unseat Smith (a #10 pick who has developed IMO), Ball (#2 pick who developed), Ayo, Huerter it won't be an easy task. Most of the time a guy has to be near a top 5 player in a draft to be an eventual fixture as a starter, and that's not projected from the 12 spot.

Coby is on a one year deal. We really don't know if he has a future on this team. Hell, he could be moved in the offseason.

Sure, but there's a big chance he's still here, and if he is, he would absolutely project to keep even a weekly developing #12 pick on the bench if that player played the same position and/or didn't have complementary skills.