2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

[TheSuzerain]

I like Hali, but he's definitely not a lead guard/playmaker on a great team. Which is fine.

He's a premium complementary player. Guard version of Joe Ingles as a reasonable projection? I'd take that at #7.

And I like that he has some elite traits (vision/passing and wingspan as a guard).

[Chi town]

MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

And he’s injury prone. And he can’t shoot the 3.

I’m all in on trading him and starting Gafford. Problem is there are only 3-4 teams he’d be an upgrade too. He’s a solid player but a difference maker and not worth what he will get paid. Trade home before he becomes a Willey Cayley Stein.

I’d take Culver for him. Give Wolves Sato too. Clear that money.

Culver may not be as good as WCJ long term but it won’t take much due to position and versatility. BTW, now way WCJ is a PF

[Chi town]

I like Hali, but he's definitely not a lead guard/playmaker on a great team. Which is fine.

He's a premium complementary player. Guard version of Joe Ingles as a reasonable projection? I'd take that at #7.

And I like that he has some elite traits (vision/passing and wingspan as a guard).

I take Okoro and that ceiling over Hali every time.

[TheSuzerain]

MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

I preferred Mikal Bridges to him as well .. and he's looking like an elite wing defender in the next couple seasons

Bridges is a good example here. He hasn't exactly developed well in the NBA offensively as he can't do anything other than catch/shoot...

...and yet he's still way more useful than WCJ because he's a switchable wing.

Drafting bigs high is a recipe for disaster unless you're talking a generational talent.

[Andi Obst]

Drafting bigs high is a recipe for disaster unless you're talking a generational talent.

Even as someone who likes WCJ - not as a 7th pick at the time, but I think he can be a good starting center - I agree completely. Which is why I just can't understand why Wiseman is still being talked about as a potential top pick. There's nothing generational about him.

[d boy gentleman]

MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

You really would have been fine with selecting Porter Jr. at 7 coming off back surgery and subsequently needing another surgery within a year with our medical staff? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO

[TheSuzerain]

MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

You really would have been fine with selecting Porter Jr. at 7 coming off back surgery and subsequently needing another surgery within a year with our medical staff? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO

I just didn't want WCJ at #7. There's no shortage of wings/guards taken after #7 that are better assets than WCJ. We should have gone for one of them.

[Leslie Forman]

Lonzo Ds up. Hali is solid but certainly not a plus defender like Lonzo.

Replace "Lonzo" with another random plus wing defender and that's basically how Lonzo was talked about too. He was considered good but hardly some future Tony Allen or something. Not that different from how it seems Haliburton is talked about defensively.

IDK how much it actually matters, I'd have to do some research I don't really feel like doing, but he's also been improving at an insane rate, which is encouraging. He was a nothing prospect out of high school for a high NBA pick - only a 3 star. Then he was basically just the college Satoransky his freshman year behind a bunch of much more hyped guards. Then he makes a name for himself in an international tournament where he's not expected to do anything. Then he ends up being better than any of those other guys after they leave. And now he's talked about as a top-10 pick.

Maybe none of this translates in the pros, maybe he's just Satoransky II, but he really fits the unheralded high school prospect, late blooming, rapidly improving player prototype.

[Jvaughn]

I get the feeling we will pick in top 3 this year.

If we fall from our current position, I'm reserving the right to hold you responsible. Lol

[Jvaughn]

MPJ looks nice.

WCJ pick really was a gaffe. The problem with it is that WCJ basically has to hit his ceiling to have much of any use at all. Being a solid center just has very little value. Whereas solid wings/forwards/guards can have a lot of value (so long as they can shoot).

WCJ was a low ceiling AND low floor pick.

You really would have been fine with selecting Porter Jr. at 7 coming off back surgery and subsequently needing another surgery within a year with our medical staff? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO

I was for trading down for 2 picks and seeing what was available there. Was 100% against WCJ. I would've had no problem selecting MPJ with a pick in the teens.

[Leslie Forman]

And I like that he has some elite traits (vision/passing and wingspan as a guard).

That's all I'm really looking for in this godawful draft. Which players actually appear to have high level potential in the most important NBA skills but don't have huge McDermott/Markkanen-sized red flags?

One thing I've noticed in my so far limited research is how the three similar tall PG/wing prospects - Ball, Hayes, Haliburton - all have low, weird ass shooting forms. I think this just might be a thing we see more of going forward as kids want to shoot like Curry and LIllard when they're 12 years old.

Ball, of course, is by far the worst offender though. How a Ball brother who also shoots like he's on a high school girls' JV team is again being talked about as a #1 pick beats me.

[NecessaryEvil]

There wouldn't of been a problem red-shirting MPJ IMO if they deemed him worthy of #7. We haven't done anything since and before than anyway.

Zach was pulling for him and he wanted to be in Chicago. We weren't playing for anything.

[Leslie Forman]

I obviously have no love for the old regime and don't want to rip on you guys, but just wanted to remind everyone here pissed off about Porter not being picked, that two years ago, the prevailing belief on this board was:

1. Lauri Markkanen is the next Dirk Nowitzki
2. Wendell Carter Jr. is the next Al Horford