The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[Clocian]

7.8 pts / .297 3p% / 3.7 reb / 1.1 ast / 1.0 stl / 0.4 blk
10 pts / .471 3p% / 3.1 reb / 1.0 ast / 0.6 stl / 0.9 blk
7.9 pts / .376 3p% / 5.1 reb / 1.1 ast / 1.3 stl / 0.4 blk

Two of these players are paul george and kawhai as rookies at age 20. The other is 19 year old Patrick Williams who apparently lacks potential to become a great player like the previously mentioned players despite being a year younger with no summer league and a shortened training camp.

So what does this make Saddiq Bey?

10.4 pts/ .463 3p% / 5.0 reb / 1.0 ast / 0.6 st/ 0 blk

How lucky we are to have both a future Kawhi and future Paul George in one draft.

21 years old. Still good stats though, not knocking it. Haven't seen him play though, so I'll have to watch some detroit games.

That said, this is a thread about Patrick Williams. Just admit, you're over critical on Pat because the bulls didn't pick your preferred player . Pat is playing just fine for now, let the young man grow and develop instead of you having a clear agenda.

[R3AL1TY]

If Patrick improves his handles, interior offense under pressure, and rebounding, he'll definitely have a Jerami Grant or Siakam type growth quite soon.

[cjbulls]

7.8 pts / .297 3p% / 3.7 reb / 1.1 ast / 1.0 stl / 0.4 blk
10 pts / .471 3p% / 3.1 reb / 1.0 ast / 0.6 stl / 0.9 blk
7.9 pts / .376 3p% / 5.1 reb / 1.1 ast / 1.3 stl / 0.4 blk

Two of these players are paul george and kawhai as rookies at age 20. The other is 19 year old Patrick Williams who apparently lacks potential to become a great player like the previously mentioned players despite being a year younger with no summer league and a shortened training camp.

So what does this make Saddiq Bey?

10.4 pts/ .463 3p% / 5.0 reb / 1.0 ast / 0.6 st/ 0 blk

How lucky we are to have both a future Kawhi and future Paul George in one draft.

21 years old. Still good stats though, not knocking it. Haven't seen him play though, so I'll have to watch some detroit games.

That said, this is a thread about Patrick Williams. Just admit, you're over critical on Pat because the bulls didn't pick your preferred player . Pat is playing just fine for now, let the young man grow and develop instead of you having a clear agenda.

Pat largely seems to be living up to my expectations, other than coming in better than expected as a shooter. So I’m preparing you for the disappointment in a few years when everyone else realizes we took a good, not great player instead of taking a true high ceiling guy, or at least taking multiple bets.

In either case, I try to contribute other perspectives on Pat. Everyone else in this section prefers to just offer praise which doesn’t paint an accurate picture.

[Ice Man]

If Patrick improves his handles, interior offense under pressure, and rebounding, he'll definitely have a Jerami Grant or Siakam type growth quite soon.

I could see that coming for Jerami Grant a couple of years back, because he was older and further along in his development curve. it's harder for me to tell with Patrick. But I would not be surprised at all to see him become an excellent player during his second contract. I don't see any warning signs against that.

[Shill]

So what does this make Saddiq Bey?

10.4 pts/ .463 3p% / 5.0 reb / 1.0 ast / 0.6 st/ 0 blk

How lucky we are to have both a future Kawhi and future Paul George in one draft.

21 years old. Still good stats though, not knocking it. Haven't seen him play though, so I'll have to watch some detroit games.

That said, this is a thread about Patrick Williams. Just admit, you're over critical on Pat because the bulls didn't pick your preferred player . Pat is playing just fine for now, let the young man grow and develop instead of you having a clear agenda.

Pat largely seems to be living up to my expectations, other than coming in better than expected as a shooter. So I’m preparing you for the disappointment in a few years when everyone else realizes we took a good, not great player instead of taking a true high ceiling guy, or at least taking multiple bets.

In either case, I try to contribute other perspectives on Pat. Everyone else in this section prefers to just offer praise which doesn’t paint an accurate picture.

Who was the higher ceiling guy you wanted at 4?

[cjbulls]

21 years old. Still good stats though, not knocking it. Haven't seen him play though, so I'll have to watch some detroit games.

That said, this is a thread about Patrick Williams. Just admit, you're over critical on Pat because the bulls didn't pick your preferred player . Pat is playing just fine for now, let the young man grow and develop instead of you having a clear agenda.

Pat largely seems to be living up to my expectations, other than coming in better than expected as a shooter. So I’m preparing you for the disappointment in a few years when everyone else realizes we took a good, not great player instead of taking a true high ceiling guy, or at least taking multiple bets.

In either case, I try to contribute other perspectives on Pat. Everyone else in this section prefers to just offer praise which doesn’t paint an accurate picture.

Who was the higher ceiling guy you wanted at 4?

I’m not going into this detail again because it sparks everyone up and isn’t relevant now. Preference was

1. Trade up
2. Trade down
.....
5. Take a better candidate at 4. PW belonged in the draft mix with Vassell and Bey. They had lots of options depending on what type of player they wanted. This included Okoro, Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, and Hali depending on type you were looking for.

[nomorezorro]

man, i get being skeptical about williams's ceiling, but the dude has looked really solid as a 19-year-old starting in his first nba season without summer league or a real training camp. at this point, that's a pretty solid outcome for what looked like a risky pick, and that's why people are reacting positively. obviously some people like to imagine that a player on their team is going to become a superstar, particularly one taken near the top of the draft. it's very unlikely, but it's not impossible.

ultimately, it's going to take years to know whether or not the pick was actually good. i think it's fair to point out that there are flaws in his game and he's not going to progress by default, but at a certain point you're losing sight of the timeline on which a player gets evaluated. nobody else is going to be swayed by "he wasn't good at rebounding in game 4 and he's still not good at rebounding in game 9! not a good sign!"

[Shill]

Pat largely seems to be living up to my expectations, other than coming in better than expected as a shooter. So I’m preparing you for the disappointment in a few years when everyone else realizes we took a good, not great player instead of taking a true high ceiling guy, or at least taking multiple bets.

In either case, I try to contribute other perspectives on Pat. Everyone else in this section prefers to just offer praise which doesn’t paint an accurate picture.

Who was the higher ceiling guy you wanted at 4?

I’m not going into this detail again because it sparks everyone up and isn’t relevant now. Preference was

1. Trade up
2. Trade down
.....
5. Take a better candidate at 4. PW belonged in the draft mix with Vassell and Bey. They had lots of options depending on what type of player they wanted. This included Okoro, Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, and Hali depending on type you were looking for.

Trade up for whom?

[madvillian]

man, i get being skeptical about williams's ceiling, but the dude has looked really solid as a 19-year-old starting in his first nba season without summer league or a real training camp. at this point, that's a pretty solid outcome for what looked like a risky pick, and that's why people are reacting positively. obviously some people like to imagine that a player on their team is going to become a superstar, particularly one taken near the top of the draft. it's very unlikely, but it's not impossible.

ultimately, it's going to take years to know whether or not the pick was actually good. i think it's fair to point out that there are flaws in his game and he's not going to progress by default, but at a certain point you're losing sight of the timeline on which a player gets evaluated. nobody else is going to be swayed by "he wasn't good at rebounding in game 4 and he's still not good at rebounding in game 9! not a good sign!"

He's a playable rotation piece before he's halfway through his 19th year on Earth. That is...way better than I was expecting on draft night.

[DroseReturnChi]

Pat largely seems to be living up to my expectations, other than coming in better than expected as a shooter. So I’m preparing you for the disappointment in a few years when everyone else realizes we took a good, not great player instead of taking a true high ceiling guy, or at least taking multiple bets.

In either case, I try to contribute other perspectives on Pat. Everyone else in this section prefers to just offer praise which doesn’t paint an accurate picture.

Who was the higher ceiling guy you wanted at 4?

I’m not going into this detail again because it sparks everyone up and isn’t relevant now. Preference was

1. Trade up
2. Trade down
.....
5. Take a better candidate at 4. PW belonged in the draft mix with Vassell and Bey. They had lots of options depending on what type of player they wanted. This included Okoro, Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, and Hali depending on type you were looking for.

You do realize PW is the best guy at 4 right? Trading up for Lebron james jr???
Only guy better than him so far is Hali and 11 freaking teams passed on him. Hes like Don Mitchell.

[cjbulls]

Who was the higher ceiling guy you wanted at 4?

I’m not going into this detail again because it sparks everyone up and isn’t relevant now. Preference was

1. Trade up
2. Trade down
.....
5. Take a better candidate at 4. PW belonged in the draft mix with Vassell and Bey. They had lots of options depending on what type of player they wanted. This included Okoro, Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, and Hali depending on type you were looking for.

Trade up for whom?

Wiseman. Ball would have been nice too (Wiseman was the “GM” choice, Ball would have been more fun as a fan). Edwards I would have been fine with as well, although I felt we already have 2 2-guards. At least he was high ceiling.

[Bandit King]

Like this dude is a 4th round pick he going to be a decent player and he is very young. Might be better then Porter soon.

[tedwilliams1999]

In either case, I try to contribute other perspectives on Pat. Everyone else in this section prefers to just offer praise which doesn’t paint an accurate picture.

I think it's completely reasonable to ask the questions on why exactly Pat isn't racking up the stats that we would expect for a versatile 3+D player. More perspectives are always refreshing. With that said, is there anything you're noticing with the eye test to match up with why exactly he's not getting rebounds, assists, etc?

I finally got a chance to watch the last two games today, and I was trying to focus on this question. It seems like when there's a rebound to be had, Williams generally does grab it. He also does box out efficiently, and pretty easily gives up his own boards to the guards. Otherwise on the defensive end, he does seem to be picking his spots a little more than he was earlier in the season. I've seem him take more reaches as time as gone on. He's picking up more fouls as he's gambling more, so some more aggression seems to be coming.

With that said, he is certainly a low energy player, for better or for worse. The pace that he plays with allows him to be so efficient right now and pick his spots, but it's likely hurting him when it comes to making a truly dominant impact defensively and on the glass. I'd be interested in watching his foul rate going forward - if he continues to foul at a higher rate than earlier in the season, to me that would indicate more aggression and I'd be happy to see that.

[Clocian]

Not the best offensive game by Pat tonight but played great defense on lebron, and had 4 steals to go with.....8 rebounds! I'm sure that'll make his fans happy

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[nomorezorro]

Not the best offensive game by Pat tonight but played great defense on lebron, and had 4 steals to go with.....8 rebounds! I'm sure that'll make his fans happy

i was ready to make a post crowing about his rebounding numbers that game, but after he sealed the loss by failing to corral an offensive board that bounced right to him, i thought it felt a lil unearned

[The Force.]

Small sample size but the kid is shooting 42% from 3 and 84% from the line.

I actually would like to see Pat doubling his 3pt attempts from two to four. Also, he needs to learn the art of bs foul drawing because he consistently gets defenders in the air on pump fakes.

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[cjbulls]

Not the best offensive game by Pat tonight but played great defense on lebron, and had 4 steals to go with.....8 rebounds! I'm sure that'll make his fans happy

i was ready to make a post crowing about his rebounding numbers that game, but after he sealed the loss by failing to corral an offensive board that bounced right to him, i thought it felt a lil unearned

That actually was his best attempt at a rebound all night. If you watch, he actually moves inside of LeBron to actually challenge the board, which is the opposite of what he normally does. Ironically, if he stayed in his old lazy position he would have had the board easily.

[cjbulls]

In either case, I try to contribute other perspectives on Pat. Everyone else in this section prefers to just offer praise which doesn’t paint an accurate picture.

I think it's completely reasonable to ask the questions on why exactly Pat isn't racking up the stats that we would expect for a versatile 3+D player. More perspectives are always refreshing. With that said, is there anything you're noticing with the eye test to match up with why exactly he's not getting rebounds, assists, etc?

I finally got a chance to watch the last two games today, and I was trying to focus on this question. It seems like when there's a rebound to be had, Williams generally does grab it. He also does box out efficiently, and pretty easily gives up his own boards to the guards. Otherwise on the defensive end, he does seem to be picking his spots a little more than he was earlier in the season. I've seem him take more reaches as time as gone on. He's picking up more fouls as he's gambling more, so some more aggression seems to be coming.

With that said, he is certainly a low energy player, for better or for worse. The pace that he plays with allows him to be so efficient right now and pick his spots, but it's likely hurting him when it comes to making a truly dominant impact defensively and on the glass. I'd be interested in watching his foul rate going forward - if he continues to foul at a higher rate than earlier in the season, to me that would indicate more aggression and I'd be happy to see that.

Passivity is the right word. I dont watch PW the way I do most other rookies, because I like to watch the Bulls game as a normal fan following the ball or whatever. But you can see that PW doesn’t really attack the boards. He often starts slinking back as the shot goes up.

It was especially noticeable on that missed LeBron 3 late. There’s a minute left or whatever and LeBron chucks a long three. Rather than go in for the board, he starts walking towards half court. He needs to be moving in to make sure the board is secured, if not racing in since he’s so far out. So he’s not in position to rebound anything and not really flying out for a fast break (not that there would be in that situation anyways).

This all seems coachable, but says a lot about his mindset which is a concern. It also seems to manifest itself in his mid range game. Or his reluctance to use his body attacking the basket, which resulted in that somewhat embarassing Gasol block. He couldn’t get by gasol or finish strong resulting in a weak block.

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