NBA Trade Thread #11

[ChettheJet]

For everybody who is so in love with Robert Williams III, knee surgery out 4-6 weeks, Gee has he ever been injured before?

[WesPeace]

Overall when we look at our roster, we have pretty much decent interesting group of players from 20yrs to 27yrs old and then Carter at 29yrs and of course standout Vucevic at 34yrs.

If they are both gone and we continue with our younger group (re-signing Giddey and Jones) plus adding another rookie, we could see something decent in 2 years from now, when they mature a bit.

Next year could be maybe even 38-40wins team if they gel and stay healthy. But tough decisions ahead, keep White, Huerter and Ayo OR try to stack up with picks..
I could see re-signing 2 of them to short term deals if team is progressing in right direction.

[sco]

Overall when we look at our roster, we have pretty much decent interesting group of players from 20yrs to 27yrs old and then Carter at 29yrs and of course standout Vucevic at 34yrs.

If they are both gone and we continue with our younger group (re-signing Giddey and Jones) plus adding another rookie, we could see something decent in 2 years from now, when they mature a bit.

Next year could be maybe even 38-40wins team if they gel and stay healthy. But tough decisions ahead, keep White, Huerter and Ayo OR try to stack up with picks..
I could see re-signing 2 of them to short term deals if team is progressing in right direction.

I think we have the ammo with our pick, POR's pick, and expiring contracts to bring in one meaningful player in the next year. It will be interesting to see what AK does. What I am sure of is that he isn't going to make moves to improve his draft stock next season. I do worry that he ends up making a bad deal if a good one doesn't present itself.

[jnrjr79]

Overall when we look at our roster, we have pretty much decent interesting group of players from 20yrs to 27yrs old and then Carter at 29yrs and of course standout Vucevic at 34yrs.

If they are both gone and we continue with our younger group (re-signing Giddey and Jones) plus adding another rookie, we could see something decent in 2 years from now, when they mature a bit.

Next year could be maybe even 38-40wins team if they gel and stay healthy. But tough decisions ahead, keep White, Huerter and Ayo OR try to stack up with picks..
I could see re-signing 2 of them to short term deals if team is progressing in right direction.

I think we have the ammo with our pick, POR's pick, and expiring contracts to bring in one meaningful player in the next year. It will be interesting to see what AK does. What I am sure of is that he isn't going to make moves to improve his draft stock next season. I do worry that he ends up making a bad deal if a good one doesn't present itself.

Yeah, as much as I'd like to believe getting the protections off our future picks via the Zach trade was done with an eye toward a draft-based rebuild, I think it's quite likely AK at least tries to trade for a big name this summer now that he has more draft asset flexibility to make trades. It would be consistent with his approach for his first build of the team, and I don't know whether he's learned any lessons.

[sco]

I wonder if we could work a deal to nab Mark Williams. Clearly CHA was willing to move on from him for Knecht. I wonder if we could work a deal for the POR pick and Collins (or Smith if we're never gonna play him)? Heck, I'd give up our pick this year if the deal could include PWill.

[pipfan]

I would be TOTALLY against this, but I could see his hometown Bulls offering something nice for AD
#10 pick, Matas, PWill, Collins or Vuc, Ayo

Bulls go with
White/Jones (resigned)/JCarter
Ball/Huerter/Terry
Giddy/Phillips/Terry
AD/Phillips/Giddy
Vuc or Collins/Smith/AD

Again, I wouldn't want that deal, but we are playing well right now. Adding a top 10 guy makes us a decent team-our FO doesn't seem to want to rebuild

Dallas gets Matas, Ayo and the #10 pick plus Collins or Vuc's expiring. Have to eat PWill but there is some talent there

[ChettheJet]

Davis is not the answer, if you think he is then DAL is going to want more than the imaginary PORT pick and some Bulls bench guys. AK is going to look like he has no confidence in his drafting ability if he does a 2025 version of the Vucevic trade giving up his 2025 pick, the obvious potential of his 2024 pick to get an aging injury prone PF when he hasn't shown any inclination to even try an add an average PF the past 3 season when everybody has seen Caruson, Green, Ayo all trying to imitate a PF.

I'd make the call about Mark Williams, you have to see if CHA would have a plan where they want expiring contracts with the gamble on the PORT pick, 15+. Would they take an expiring Vuc, and White or Dosunmu, do they think Miles Bridges is too expensive and mature for their current plan with LeMelo, Miller, Saluan and their FRP? They wold have to be looking for a way to use that cap space to take another contract with another FRP attached to it.

[kodo]

I wonder if we could work a deal to nab Mark Williams. Clearly CHA was willing to move on from him for Knecht. I wonder if we could work a deal for the POR pick and Collins (or Smith if we're never gonna play him)? Heck, I'd give up our pick this year if the deal could include PWill.

He was being traded for two 1st round picks plus Knecht. Bulls should not be trading any more first round picks.
Although "should" is the operative word here, AK doesn't care about 12 months into the future so he may trade our pick on draft day.

[Chi town]

Overall when we look at our roster, we have pretty much decent interesting group of players from 20yrs to 27yrs old and then Carter at 29yrs and of course standout Vucevic at 34yrs.

If they are both gone and we continue with our younger group (re-signing Giddey and Jones) plus adding another rookie, we could see something decent in 2 years from now, when they mature a bit.

Next year could be maybe even 38-40wins team if they gel and stay healthy. But tough decisions ahead, keep White, Huerter and Ayo OR try to stack up with picks..
I could see re-signing 2 of them to short term deals if team is progressing in right direction.

I think we have the ammo with our pick, POR's pick, and expiring contracts to bring in one meaningful player in the next year. It will be interesting to see what AK does. What I am sure of is that he isn't going to make moves to improve his draft stock next season. I do worry that he ends up making a bad deal if a good one doesn't present itself.

Yep. Another Vuc deal. That would be it for me.

[Chi town]

I’d take Nic Richard’s over Williams all day. Defensive C’s are easy to get. AK just chose the offensive hub route with Vuc trying to be Joker lite. Didn’t work.

There will be a player that emerges that will be had. They just need to fit and be the right age.

[Infinity2152]

I’d take Nic Richard’s over Williams all day. Defensive C’s are easy to get. AK just chose the offensive hub route with Vuc trying to be Joker lite. Didn’t work.

There will be a player that emerges that will be had. They just need to fit and be the right age.

Mark Williams played 43 games his first season, 19 the next, and has played 36 this season. Giving up first round picks for him? No thank you. I'm with you, lots of defensive centers who can't shoot threes out there.

As for AD, Mav's just traded Luka to get him. They could have gotten most of the players in the league for Luka. Have to think they really like Davis, even if there's more to the trade behind the scenes. Probably cost a king's ransom to get him and he's too old and fragile for our timeline. Soon as the Mavs got him, he got hurt.

[WindyCityBorn]

No bug trades this offseason. Make a move during next season or 2026 offseason. We are too far away from contending to be making win now moves.

If we show real promise next season a star player might want to come here and then you have leverage in a trade. That’s how it works these days.

And no “ star” over 27 years old. We need to be thinking long term.

[Infinity2152]

If the Bulls just stand still and re-sign Giddey, they'll be a/the top team with money in free agency 2026. Huerter and Collins contracts both come off the books. First and foremost, any Vucevic trade cannot come back with any money past this year. Trade Vucevic for a playable expiring forward or two and call it a day. Don't trade Coby, offer him a max extension. If he accepts it, great, it's below his market value. He's a very good NBA player, period. If not, he finishes the season out and we can decide if we want to compete for him as an unrestricted free agent or let him go. Draft our rookie, re-sign Tre Jones if we can get a favorable contract, trade Vuc and call it an off season.

Wouldn't worry about trading Pat now. His $18 mill won't kill us now, and his value couldn't be lower. Same with Ayo. Just stand pat. Even Carter's money is off the books. Just don't trade any of these guys like Carter or Phillips or Terry or Huerter for money that goes past this year, PLEASE!

[Dez]

If the Bulls just stand still and re-sign Giddey, they'll be a/the top team with money in free agency 2026. Huerter and Collins contracts both come off the books. First and foremost, any Vucevic trade cannot come back with any money past this year. Trade Vucevic for a playable expiring forward or two and call it a day. Don't trade Coby, offer him a max extension. If he accepts it, great, it's below his market value. He's a very good NBA player, period. If not, he finishes the season out and we can decide if we want to compete for him as an unrestricted free agent or let him go. Draft our rookie, re-sign Tre Jones if we can get a favorable contract, trade Vuc and call it an off season.

Wouldn't worry about trading Pat now. His $18 mill won't kill us now, and his value couldn't be lower. Same with Ayo. Just stand pat. Even Carter's money is off the books. Just don't trade any of these guys like Carter or Phillips or Terry or Huerter for money that goes past this year, PLEASE!

Absolutely try to trade Pat, his money is horrendous and his play is useless. If you can get rid of it, you get rid of it.

Also Coby must be traded, he's not going to be worth his extension.

[Infinity2152]

If the Bulls just stand still and re-sign Giddey, they'll be a/the top team with money in free agency 2026. Huerter and Collins contracts both come off the books. First and foremost, any Vucevic trade cannot come back with any money past this year. Trade Vucevic for a playable expiring forward or two and call it a day. Don't trade Coby, offer him a max extension. If he accepts it, great, it's below his market value. He's a very good NBA player, period. If not, he finishes the season out and we can decide if we want to compete for him as an unrestricted free agent or let him go. Draft our rookie, re-sign Tre Jones if we can get a favorable contract, trade Vuc and call it an off season.

Wouldn't worry about trading Pat now. His $18 mill won't kill us now, and his value couldn't be lower. Same with Ayo. Just stand pat. Even Carter's money is off the books. Just don't trade any of these guys like Carter or Phillips or Terry or Huerter for money that goes past this year, PLEASE!

Absolutely try to trade Pat, his money is horrendous and his play is useless. If you can get rid of it, you get rid of it.

Also Coby must be traded, he's not going to be worth his extension.

What's the rush to trade Pat if we're focused on 2026? We have until the trade deadline to potentially rehab his value. I'm not saying don't trade Pat, I'm saying there's no rush. So don't trade him at his lowest value.

It's my understanding a max extension for White would be around $18 mill, right? So to me that's a no brainer to at least offer. If he accepts, that's a GREAT contract for the Bulls. You're talking about trading Coby as an expiring $12 mill and getting back what? A first-round pick that could be mid-bottom pick? Is the contract you get back with that pick expiring, or are we carrying cap into the next season? At the worst case, Coby expires, we lose him, we gain $12 mill cap space. Best case, he's a great player, he signs the extension, we have a great young Bull continue his career. Second best case, he doesn't sign the extension, he plays great, we have to sign him at market value. So what? Signing good young players at market value is what good teams do, even if they're not perfect in anyway. This idea that guys are overpaid if they're paid at market value is strange to me. Re-signing your own player is even better, he's familiar with the city, coach, offense and defense. At this point, I'm confident Coby is an above starter level shooting guard, despite his limitations. He should stay a Bull. We need to stop looking for these magical two way build a player guys like healthy Lonzo, good at everything. Notice the rush to bash/trade every 20+ scorer on the Bulls? Debo, Vucevic, Zach, Lavine, Giddey, and White.

Sounds like the idea is Coby is so good, he's going to draw a lot of money, but we, his own team, shouldn't value him as much as other bidding teams would? Coby's a damn good young NBA player. Him being expiring is a plus, it gives us much longer to have a great player on a value contract and decide which way we go.

I'll add a caveat. I would trade him for a high enough pick in this draft. That contract won't be expiring but it's guaranteed bargain contract and less than half of Coby's so we're still getting cap space and a guaranteed high pick. It's not worth it for some future, lottery protected garbage, especially if the pieces you get back aren't fully expiring.

[2weekswithpay]

What's the rush to trade Pat if we're focused on 2026? We have until the trade deadline to potentially rehab his value. I'm not saying don't trade Pat, I'm saying there's no rush. So don't trade him at his lowest value.

It's my understanding a max extension for White would be around $18 mill, right? So to me that's a no brainer to at least offer. If he accepts, that's a GREAT contract for the Bulls. You're talking about trading Coby as an expiring $12 mill and getting back what? A first-round pick that could be mid-bottom pick? Is the contract you get back with that pick expiring, or are we carrying cap into the next season? At the worst case, Coby expires, we lose him, we gain $12 mill cap space. Best case, he's a great player, he signs the extension, we have a great young Bull continue his career. Second best case, he doesn't sign the extension, he plays great, we have to sign him at market value. So what? Signing good young players at market value is what good teams do, even if they're not perfect in anyway. This idea that guys are overpaid if they're paid at market value is strange to me. Re-signing your own player is even better, he's familiar with the city, coach, offense and defense. At this point, I'm confident Coby is an above starter level shooting guard, despite his limitations. He should stay a Bull. We need to stop looking for these magical two way build a player guys like healthy Lonzo, good at everything. Notice the rush to bash/trade every 20+ scorer on the Bulls? Debo, Vucevic, Zach, Lavine, Giddey, and White.

Sounds like the idea is Coby is so good, he's going to draw a lot of money, but we, his own team, shouldn't value him as much as other bidding teams would? Coby's a damn good young NBA player. Him being expiring is a plus, it gives us much longer to have a great player on a value contract and decide which way we go.

I'll add a caveat. I would trade him for a high enough pick in this draft. That contract won't be expiring but it's guaranteed bargain contract and less than half of Coby's so we're still getting cap space and a guaranteed high pick. It's not worth it for some future, lottery protected garbage, especially if the pieces you get back aren't fully expiring.

I'm assuming that he means if you can get off Pat's contract with minimal damage then you do it.

It's my understanding a max extension for White would be around $18 mill, right? So to me that's a no brainer to at least offer. If he accepts, that's a GREAT contract for the Bulls.

Correct 18M would be his starting salary. The max you can give Coby right now would be similar to what Caruso got from OKC, 4 years 81M. This is around his market value IMO but there's a chance that Coby like Giddey wants a deal similar to what Quickley and Suggs got. 30M AAV.

Spoiler:

The first-year salary in a veteran extension can be worth up to 140% of the salary in the final year of the player’s previous contract or 140% of the NBA’s estimated average salary, whichever is greater. Annual raises are limited to 8% of the first-year extension salary.

When Jalen Brunson signed an extension with the Knicks during the 2024 offseason, he added four extra years to the one year and $24,960,001 remaining on his previous deal. Because his cap hit comfortably exceeds the league’s estimated average salary, Murray was eligible to earn up to 140% of his final-year salary in the first year of his extension. As such, his new contract begins in 2025/26 with a base salary of $34,944,001, with 8% annual raises from there.

In 2023/24, the NBA’s estimated average salary is $12,930,000, so a player earning less than that amount would be eligible to receive an extension worth up to 140% of that figure. That would work out to a starting salary of $18,102,000 and a four-year total of about $81MM. That’s the maximum deal that Thunder guard Alex Caruso is now eligible to sign. Source

[sco]

Do we think we can trade either Terry and/or Carter during the offseason if we attach a 2nd to either of them?

[2weekswithpay]

Do we think we can trade either Terry and/or Carter during the offseason if we attach a 2nd to either of them?

Yes, there have been similar trades this season. The Sixers traded Kenyon Martin Jr (7.9M) to Detroit + 2nds at the deadline. The Kings traded Jalen Mcdaniels (4.7M) and a 2nd to the Spurs.

Unfortunately, AK has depleted almost all of our 2nds. We only have 3 tradable 2nds at the moment.

[NecessaryEvil]

I would be TOTALLY against this, but I could see his hometown Bulls offering something nice for AD
#10 pick, Matas, PWill, Collins or Vuc, Ayo

Bulls go with
White/Jones (resigned)/JCarter
Ball/Huerter/Terry
Giddy/Phillips/Terry
AD/Phillips/Giddy
Vuc or Collins/Smith/AD

Again, I wouldn't want that deal, but we are playing well right now. Adding a top 10 guy makes us a decent team-our FO doesn't seem to want to rebuild

Dallas gets Matas, Ayo and the #10 pick plus Collins or Vuc's expiring. Have to eat PWill but there is some talent there

AD is a packers fan

Leave him where he’s at

[Infinity2152]

What's the rush to trade Pat if we're focused on 2026? We have until the trade deadline to potentially rehab his value. I'm not saying don't trade Pat, I'm saying there's no rush. So don't trade him at his lowest value.

It's my understanding a max extension for White would be around $18 mill, right? So to me that's a no brainer to at least offer. If he accepts, that's a GREAT contract for the Bulls. You're talking about trading Coby as an expiring $12 mill and getting back what? A first-round pick that could be mid-bottom pick? Is the contract you get back with that pick expiring, or are we carrying cap into the next season? At the worst case, Coby expires, we lose him, we gain $12 mill cap space. Best case, he's a great player, he signs the extension, we have a great young Bull continue his career. Second best case, he doesn't sign the extension, he plays great, we have to sign him at market value. So what? Signing good young players at market value is what good teams do, even if they're not perfect in anyway. This idea that guys are overpaid if they're paid at market value is strange to me. Re-signing your own player is even better, he's familiar with the city, coach, offense and defense. At this point, I'm confident Coby is an above starter level shooting guard, despite his limitations. He should stay a Bull. We need to stop looking for these magical two way build a player guys like healthy Lonzo, good at everything. Notice the rush to bash/trade every 20+ scorer on the Bulls? Debo, Vucevic, Zach, Lavine, Giddey, and White.

Sounds like the idea is Coby is so good, he's going to draw a lot of money, but we, his own team, shouldn't value him as much as other bidding teams would? Coby's a damn good young NBA player. Him being expiring is a plus, it gives us much longer to have a great player on a value contract and decide which way we go.

I'll add a caveat. I would trade him for a high enough pick in this draft. That contract won't be expiring but it's guaranteed bargain contract and less than half of Coby's so we're still getting cap space and a guaranteed high pick. It's not worth it for some future, lottery protected garbage, especially if the pieces you get back aren't fully expiring.

I'm assuming that he means if you can get off Pat's contract with minimal damage then you do it.

It's my understanding a max extension for White would be around $18 mill, right? So to me that's a no brainer to at least offer. If he accepts, that's a GREAT contract for the Bulls.

Correct 18M would be his starting salary. The max you can give Coby right now would be similar to what Caruso got from OKC, 4 years 81M. This is around his market value IMO but there's a chance that Coby like Giddey wants a deal similar to what Quickley and Suggs got. 30M AAV.

Spoiler:

The first-year salary in a veteran extension can be worth up to 140% of the salary in the final year of the player’s previous contract or 140% of the NBA’s estimated average salary, whichever is greater. Annual raises are limited to 8% of the first-year extension salary.

When Jalen Brunson signed an extension with the Knicks during the 2024 offseason, he added four extra years to the one year and $24,960,001 remaining on his previous deal. Because his cap hit comfortably exceeds the league’s estimated average salary, Murray was eligible to earn up to 140% of his final-year salary in the first year of his extension. As such, his new contract begins in 2025/26 with a base salary of $34,944,001, with 8% annual raises from there.

In 2023/24, the NBA’s estimated average salary is $12,930,000, so a player earning less than that amount would be eligible to receive an extension worth up to 140% of that figure. That would work out to a starting salary of $18,102,000 and a four-year total of about $81MM. That’s the maximum deal that Thunder guard Alex Caruso is now eligible to sign. Source

My previous point was not to trade him while his value is low, so I think he means exactly what he said: absolutely trade him if you can. The whole point of not trading him while his value is low is to minimize the damage, lol. We almost certainly need him to up his value somewhat to do that, which means we need to keep him for awhile. Do we think any team is taking Pat's contract right now without serious compensation? Unless we're getting expirings, won't benefit the Bulls regarding 2026 cap space. So no need to rush, imo.

Don't think Coby would accept that extension, but you miss every shot you don't take. At least it gives us a leg up in the off season, he knows the team offered him the maximum they could. And if he does, that's a great deal for us. Personally, I think that's well below what he will get as an unrestricted free agent in 2026 with a lot of teams having cap space. Agree his value is somewhere near Quickley/Suggs range, though slightly lower. Don't think Quickley is better than White, myself.

If his money people/handlers check the market and determine his market value is anywhere from $18-$24 mill, might make a lot more sense to take the extension. Maybe slightly less money than FA, but you stay with the same team, same teammates, same house, etc that you've had your entire career and it's guaranteed before FA money runs out and you have to take a cut from what you're looking for anyway.