NBA Trade Thread #12

[Muzbar]

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The market for SGs is rough. If we do keep Coby, maybe this will suppress his value.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/sacramento-kings/jonathan-kuminga-malik-monk-dennis-schroder-trade/1859850/?amp=1

Kings -> Schroder, Kuminga
Warriors - > Devin Carter, Dario Saric, 2 2nds
Pistons -> Monk

Saric can't be aggregated with other players for 2 months as he was recently traded.

I guess they could agree in principle and then pull the trigger after the 2 months.

[Infinity2152]

Vuc trade ideas:

1) Vuc to CHA for Sexton - they need another center, Sexton is also expiring, 26 y/o, and would be a Coby hedge.

2) Vuc + Ayo to BOS for Simons + a 2nd rounder or two. Similar need profile, Stevens would do well with Ayo, and Simons is similar to Sexton (and also expiring).

3) RISKY BUT I PROB WOULD: Vuc + Pat + Ayo (or Carter) for Vassell and Barnes and maybe Bassey. Spurs signed Kornet behind Wemby but might want another for a year. Also have a guard logjam. Barnes is expiring and would be a vet mentor. Vassell is signed for the same # of years as Pat, but for an extra 9 million. He is hurt a lot and not that efficient. Still, he has flashed a bit on offense and he showed a high bball IQ at least in college. Another hedge for Coby (with less lead guard skills), but an upgrade over Pat (if healthy). Maybe too risky?

4) SIMILARLY RISKY, AND DOUBT ORL WOULD: Vuc + Pat (or Ayo + Carter) + Portland Pick for Suggs. Suggs injury history makes this risky, but also only reason it could be possible. Orlando likely could use another center, and the commitment to Pat would be almost half as little as to Suggs (and Ayo plus Carter even less).

1. No question. Sign me up.

2. Would prefer Vucevic straight up for Simons or Vucevic/Terry or Vucevic/Carter for Simons and a second. Ayo has a good shot at being a good value long term role player here. Familiar with the players and the system. With all the expiring guards, value Ayo more than a second. And he can play with any of the other guards. Celtics may prefer the cap savings of just Vucevic.

3. Not risky imo. Vassell's contract is under $30 mill and if pressed would rate him the same or better than Coby, but a two-way guard. His contract is likely the same or less than Coby's would be. Great hedge for Coby, and could start with Giddey and Coby as POA defender. For those pieces, it's a no- brainer. Sign me up.

4. Sign me up, if Orlando goes for it. Risky, but not really considering what you're giving up, and the upside is worth it. Risk is minimized by the fact that the Portland pick is protected, so capped value anyway.

[Tutupa]

Why are the Kings so eager to get rid of Monk this offseason?

A year ago everyone wanted Monk and the Kings had re-signed him for a very affordable price.

His production hasn't dropped, am I missing something? Maybe Lavine contract pushing him out of the roster?

Having a player of his caliber tied down for 20M for the next 3 years isn't bad at all.

Anyway, regarding Kuminga trade, is Carter + Saric a better return for the Warriors than Ayo + Smith?

[Salo23]

Why are the Kings so eager to get rid of Monk this offseason?

A year ago everyone wanted Monk and the Kings had re-signed him for a very affordable price.

His production hasn't dropped, am I missing something? Maybe Lavine contract pushing him out of the roster?

Having a player of his caliber tied down for 20M for the next 3 years isn't bad at all.

Anyway, regarding Kuminga trade, is Carter + Saric a better return for the Warriors than Ayo + Smith?

I agree, Monk is getting underrated for some reason in terms of his value around the league. He was forced to play more point guard after the Kings traded Fox and that’s not who he is.

If we were to deal Coby for some reason, Monk would be an excellent choice to replace Coby’s scoring on a reasonable contract.

[sco]

Why are the Kings so eager to get rid of Monk this offseason?

A year ago everyone wanted Monk and the Kings had re-signed him for a very affordable price.

His production hasn't dropped, am I missing something? Maybe Lavine contract pushing him out of the roster?

Having a player of his caliber tied down for 20M for the next 3 years isn't bad at all.

Anyway, regarding Kuminga trade, is Carter + Saric a better return for the Warriors than Ayo + Smith?

I agree, Monk is getting underrated for some reason in terms of his value around the league. He was forced to play more point guard after the Kings traded Fox and that’s not who he is.

If we were to deal Coby for some reason, Monk would be an excellent choice to replace Coby’s scoring on a reasonable contract.

I wonder if there's a deal for Monk that also brings back Murray, or at least Carter?

[Jeffster81]

I just read that the Kevin Durant trade could into a seven team trade.

If this true, holy smokes.

[Infinity2152]

I just read that the Kevin Durant trade could into a seven team trade.

If this true, holy smokes.

Saw that too. They've been working on it for since the draft, could be part of the reason some free agents are held up/not getting offers. Lot of personnel changes for a lot of teams. Warriors are reportedly one of the teams, could make getting value for Kuminga MUCH easier with his BPE.

Said to be no additional major player movement, but will create trade exceptions and help teams maneuver around the aprons. Unfortunately for us, another mid-level center could be on the move. Suns are paying Nick Richards $5 mill, so they may keep him. But he's expiring, very unlikely to be re-signed since they just added Mark Williams and Maluach, and teams are calling about him.

[Chi town]

Kings are going nowhere with Lavine DDR.

Adding Kuminga when you already have Murray makes no sense. Just like adding Lavine made no sense.

[Infinity2152]

Wonder what the cost to get Derrick White is now? New owners are determined to clear money. If the plan is to keep Brown and Tatum together, not a bad idea to strip it to the floor, get expirings and add assets this season. Save some money, get out from apron penalties for the first time in years, and get a better draft pick. They're probably a mid-team with White, a lottery team without him.

I want an adult in the room with our kids. White looks to be a solid, professional vet. Excellent SG next to Giddey.

[Infinity2152]

Kings are going nowhere with Lavine DDR.

Adding Kuminga when you already have Murray makes no sense. Just like adding Lavine made no sense.

It's kind of crazy they literally saw Lavine and DDR play next to each other for YEARS with similar type center without Ball and said "now they're 3 years older, if we give up D' Aaron Fox to make it happen, we can make it work better!"

[burlydee]

Kings are going nowhere with Lavine DDR.

Adding Kuminga when you already have Murray makes no sense. Just like adding Lavine made no sense.

Yeah they now have 4 scoring wings who need the ball and doesn't play D. They need to trade Derozan and Lavine, both of whom they've had for less than a year. Very confusing roster construction.

[Infinity2152]

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Is this the guys people were saying is crap? Rumor Kings offer to Warriors, Devin Carter, Saric and draft compensation for Kuminga.

Don't know if this was posted. And Houston waives Jock Lawndale, another cheap center on the market. I swear I don't remember ever seeing this many mid centers on the market at the same time, or being bought out at this rate.

[Red8911]

Kings are going nowhere with Lavine DDR.

Adding Kuminga when you already have Murray makes no sense. Just like adding Lavine made no sense.

It's kind of crazy they literally saw Lavine and DDR play next to each other for YEARS with similar type center without Ball and said "now they're 3 years older, if we give up D' Aaron Fox to make it happen, we can make it work better!"

Yeah idk what they were thinking lol. I guess they wanted talent back for losing Fox and Zach was the best they can get. Now they are actively trying to get rid of Demar.

That team looked like they were heading in the right direction with Fox/Sabonis and then idk what happened to them.

[sco]

Kings are going nowhere with Lavine DDR.

Adding Kuminga when you already have Murray makes no sense. Just like adding Lavine made no sense.

It's kind of crazy they literally saw Lavine and DDR play next to each other for YEARS with similar type center without Ball and said "now they're 3 years older, if we give up D' Aaron Fox to make it happen, we can make it work better!"

Yeah idk what they were thinking lol. I guess they wanted talent back for losing Fox and Zach was the best they can get. Now they are actively trying to get rid of Demar.

That team looked like they were heading in the right direction with Fox/Sabonis and then idk what happened to them.

I think that Fox indicated that he didn't want to sign an extension and that sent the Kings scrambling to recoup what value they could.

[Dan Z]

Kings are going nowhere with Lavine DDR.

Adding Kuminga when you already have Murray makes no sense. Just like adding Lavine made no sense.

Yeah they now have 4 scoring wings who need the ball and doesn't play D. They need to trade Derozan and Lavine, both of whom they've had for less than a year. Very confusing roster construction.

They saw that LaVine and DDR didn't work in Chicago and decided to pair them up again in Sacramento. It's bizarre.

[Dez]

Vuc trade ideas:

1) Vuc to CHA for Sexton - they need another center, Sexton is also expiring, 26 y/o, and would be a Coby hedge.

2) Vuc + Ayo to BOS for Simons + a 2nd rounder or two. Similar need profile, Stevens would do well with Ayo, and Simons is similar to Sexton (and also expiring).

3) RISKY BUT I PROB WOULD: Vuc + Pat + Ayo (or Carter) for Vassell and Barnes and maybe Bassey. Spurs signed Kornet behind Wemby but might want another for a year. Also have a guard logjam. Barnes is expiring and would be a vet mentor. Vassell is signed for the same # of years as Pat, but for an extra 9 million. He is hurt a lot and not that efficient. Still, he has flashed a bit on offense and he showed a high bball IQ at least in college. Another hedge for Coby (with less lead guard skills), but an upgrade over Pat (if healthy). Maybe too risky?

4) SIMILARLY RISKY, AND DOUBT ORL WOULD: Vuc + Pat (or Ayo + Carter) + Portland Pick for Suggs. Suggs injury history makes this risky, but also only reason it could be possible. Orlando likely could use another center, and the commitment to Pat would be almost half as little as to Suggs (and Ayo plus Carter even less).

1) Charlotte literally traded Nurkic to get Sexton, they aren't trading him to get another C.

2) The Bulls have no need for Simons when they have a superior version in Coby let alone giving up Ayo to do it.

3) There's no way in hell the Spurs are touching that, they get worse.

4) Suggs is elite defensively and they aren't giving up him for the pleasure of Vucevic and Pat and a fake first.

[MGB8]

Vuc trade ideas:

1) Vuc to CHA for Sexton - they need another center, Sexton is also expiring, 26 y/o, and would be a Coby hedge.

2) Vuc + Ayo to BOS for Simons + a 2nd rounder or two. Similar need profile, Stevens would do well with Ayo, and Simons is similar to Sexton (and also expiring).

3) RISKY BUT I PROB WOULD: Vuc + Pat + Ayo (or Carter) for Vassell and Barnes and maybe Bassey. Spurs signed Kornet behind Wemby but might want another for a year. Also have a guard logjam. Barnes is expiring and would be a vet mentor. Vassell is signed for the same # of years as Pat, but for an extra 9 million. He is hurt a lot and not that efficient. Still, he has flashed a bit on offense and he showed a high bball IQ at least in college. Another hedge for Coby (with less lead guard skills), but an upgrade over Pat (if healthy). Maybe too risky?

4) SIMILARLY RISKY, AND DOUBT ORL WOULD: Vuc + Pat (or Ayo + Carter) + Portland Pick for Suggs. Suggs injury history makes this risky, but also only reason it could be possible. Orlando likely could use another center, and the commitment to Pat would be almost half as little as to Suggs (and Ayo plus Carter even less).

1) Charlotte literally traded Nurkic to get Sexton, they aren't trading him to get another C.

2) The Bulls have no need for Simons when they have a superior version in Coby let alone giving up Ayo to do it.

3) There's no way in hell the Spurs are touching that, they get worse.

4) Suggs is elite defensively and they aren't giving up him for the pleasure of Vucevic and Pat and a fake first.

1) Nurkic SUCKS now. Worse than Vuc, when he even plays.

2) Ayo is likely GONE. Just a matter of time. Coby may well also be gone. Both are going to be UFA, and Bulls have constraints.

3) Spurs are a team w/ pending cap issues, who have a huge logjam at the guard spots but room at the forwards. Vassell is a bit small to play the 3, not to mention huge health concerns - and he isn’t efficient, either. No way that the Spurs want to play him in front of Castle, Harper or Fox. Kornet not a great backup, and could use another young forward to compete with Keldon, Sochan, Champagnie. But they could probably do somewhat better.

4) Orlando will be over the first apron next year when Banchero gets his MAX extension, even if they decline team options on 21 million in salaries (over 50% in Anthony Black). Suggs is a huge injury risk, but bottom line is that they need to shed salary - but I also doubt Orlando would do this - could likely do better. Unless Suggs gets hurt again….

[WesPeace]

Valanciunas getting offer from Greece complicating things for Denver..

GSW still waiting on Horford, same as Lakers..

Some things still not done on centers markets

[WesPeace]

Regarding Bulls trading for Simons?! Why?? Zero making sense..

[Infinity2152]

Simons for Vucevic makes sense in a few ways. Don't think of Simons as a Coby replacement. Think of him as an expiring vs Vucevic as an expiring. Simons can be sixth man and scorer off the bench. We don't have one. All our guards are expiring, there's not a single one guaranteed to be here to start the season anyway. In the event of a Coby trade, Simons is a one year substitute for expiring Coby and we get assets for Coby. Projected trade had us getting a second back too.

Ayo's possibly traded, Huerter mau get minutes at SF and when have ll our guards ever been healthy? On a one year contract based round a Vucevic trade, that's the highest level talent you're getting. He could get better and get extended, or turn into a better trade piece before the deadline.