NBA Trade Thread #11

[Infinity2152]

Just checked the Bulls roster from 2019-2020, AK was hired April 2020. Of that team, Coby is the last man standing, his rookie season. So of course we need to trade him. AK has replaced 14 guys in 5 years, but he's not making enough moves. Everybody's been wanting Zach gone for years, so of those 14, the only ones we might want back are Lauri and Gafford. Some of those guys have been replaced twice, like signing Debo and releasing and Caruso and then trading him or if Vucevic gets traded. Anybody have any data on the average number of trades/acquisitions the average GM does in 5 years?

This is the roster he inherited:

G Ryan Arcidiacono
C 34 Wendell Carter
G 32 Kris Dunn
C 6 Cristiano Felício
C 12 Daniel Gafford
G 3 Shaquille Harrison
G/F 15 Chandler Hutchison
C 2 Luke Kornet
G 8 Zach LaVine
F 24 Lauri Markkanen
G 20 Adam Mokoka
G/F 22 Otto Porter Jr.
G 31 Tomáš Satoranský
G/F 28 Max Strus
G 45 Denzel Valentine
G 0 Coby White
F 21 Thaddeus Young

I'd say, even with all that's happened, our current team before the Lavine trade is still far better than that team.
Ball, Lavine, Giddey, Matas, Vucevic with Carter, Coby, Ayo, Pat, Smith kill that team.

Heck, this team without Lavine is still better than that one, and I really like Lavine. We add Collins and Huerter to the bench and move Coby to starting SG.

Can you imagine taking that sorry team to 1st in the conference in two short years without being able to add a top 10 player, then a major piece gets hurt, the wheels fall off, and you're a crappy GM?

[NecessaryEvil]

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Bring our leader home AK

[Infinity2152]

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Bring our leader home AK

Warming to the idea. There are a lot of guys who have a lot of injuries early in their career that go on to have long, productive careers. He works hard and he's athletic, he could overcome this. His injury history is the only reason he's available in the first place. But what's the cost going to be to add Zion? Would like to keep Giddey and Matas, if possible, but honestly Matas could go if it gets us Zion. His potential is higher than anybody in this draft, there's really no cost we could pay that's too high, other than too many first round picks.

His contract is really low for a player of his age and caliber too, and he's locked up 3 more years. $39.4 mill next season, $44.9 in 2027-2028 season. Some players could be getting $70 mill then.

Fire his trainer, don't care if it's his dad or the most famous trainer in the world. Steph got a new trainer after his fourth year that focused on his core instead of his ankles and it changed his life.

Actually, I'm all in! Low risk, and if it works it's probably the best contract in the league, we've found our number 1 and can get to team building. I'm sure he's older and more mature now than when he entered the league, and very conscious of the injury issues.

[Muzbar]

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Bring our leader home AK

Kind of warming to the idea. There are a lot of guys who have a lot of injuries early in their career that go on to have long, productive careers. He works hard and he's athletic, he could overcome this. His injury history is the only reason he's available in the first place. But what's the cost going to be to add Zion? Would like to keep Giddey and Matas, if possible, but honestly Matas could go if it gets us Zion. His potential is higher than anybody in this draft, there's really no cost we could pay that's too high, other than too many first round picks.

His contract is really low for a player of his age and caliber too, and he's locked up 3 more years. $39.4 mill next season, $44.9 in 2027-2028 season. Some players could be getting $70 mill then.

Fire his trainer, don't care if it's his dad or the most famous trainer in the world. Steph got a new trainer after his fourth year that focused on his core instead of his ankles and it changed his life.

Does he work hard? They guy literally has weigh in clauses in his contract, that doesn't sound like a hard worker to me.

I am, and will always, be against bringing in Zion, especially on this current team and the way it's constructed.

Plus with Zion 'putting up numbers' his price is only going to get higher which means giving up multiple FRPs for a guys that's a constant injury issue.

[Chi town]

Zion and work hard should never go in the same sentence.

People say what they want to hear. Dude has held the Pels hostage. Pels can’t trade him for value or they would have. The best thing about Zion are the outs in his contract.

[Dez]

We don't have the assets for Zion, how are people not getting this?

Also about not trading Pat while his value is low is laughable, he won't rehab any value because he's lazy and low IQ. Get rid of him ASAP.

[2weekswithpay]

Zion and work hard should never go in the same sentence.

People say what they want to hear. Dude has held the Pels hostage. Pels can’t trade him for value or they would have. The best thing about Zion are the outs in his contract.

I think Zion can be traded for value. The injury/weight clauses in his contract give you an out and the contract isn't fully guaranteed. The Epls probably don't see a point in selling low and trading him for expirings and a first.

[2weekswithpay]

We don't have the assets for Zion, how are people not getting this?

Also about not trading Pat while his value is low is laughable, he won't rehab any value because he's lazy and low IQ. Get rid of him ASAP.

Getting rid of him ASAP means attaching a first.

[Infinity2152]

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Bring our leader home AK

Kind of warming to the idea. There are a lot of guys who have a lot of injuries early in their career that go on to have long, productive careers. He works hard and he's athletic, he could overcome this. His injury history is the only reason he's available in the first place. But what's the cost going to be to add Zion? Would like to keep Giddey and Matas, if possible, but honestly Matas could go if it gets us Zion. His potential is higher than anybody in this draft, there's really no cost we could pay that's too high, other than too many first round picks.

His contract is really low for a player of his age and caliber too, and he's locked up 3 more years. $39.4 mill next season, $44.9 in 2027-2028 season. Some players could be getting $70 mill then.

Fire his trainer, don't care if it's his dad or the most famous trainer in the world. Steph got a new trainer after his fourth year that focused on his core instead of his ankles and it changed his life.

Does he work hard? They guy literally has weigh in clauses in his contract, that doesn't sound like a hard worker to me.

I am, and will always, be against bringing in Zion, especially on this current team and the way it's constructed.

Plus with Zion 'putting up numbers' his price is only going to get higher which means giving up multiple FRPs for a guys that's a constant injury issue.

I get that, but then I look at the fact that the kid came in at 18. We look at NBA players when they make the league and treat them like grown men, with grown men expectations. He's 23 now, been through a lot in the league and life since then. You can't think his injury issues concern you 1/1000th as much as they concern him. Because he's failed to stay healthy doesn't mean he isn't working hard. You can't be the most physically dominating player in the NBA without working hard, lol. That's like wondering if Shaq or Barkley worked hard, while averaging 38 mins/gm.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVPcFOuWMAA3JYf?format=jpg&name=medium

This is what Zion looks like now compared to then. Again, look at the risk/reward, not just the risk. Zion's a top 10 player under 30. It's nearly impossible to add a top 10 player under 30. The reason you don't want him is the only reason he's available at all. His contract has injury clauses.

IF Zion is healthy: Gave up some non-critical pieces, one probably being this year's draft pick, which is valuable
All-Star top 10 player
Currently the 28th highest contract
We sign Giddey to no more than $30 mill, we still have space to add a star
He's 23!! Locked up through his prime. I can't emphasize this enough.

If he's not healthy: Gave up some non-critical pieces
He has injury as well as weight clauses in his contract, that defrays a ton of the cost
Still have plenty of cap space
Probably get injury exemption to cover even more of that if he's injured long enough

We're not critically hurt by it. And he would have to be hurt every year a lot for the next three years. He played 70 games last season. If he can average 55 or more, that's still good money spent.

I mean, I know I was a hell of a lot more serious about my job as a father at 23 than I was a single kid at 18.

[NecessaryEvil]

Zion never wanted to be in N.O.

That much was apparent since N.O. went to number one at the draft. It was all over his face.

Chicago doesn’t get that Zion. He loves the old Bulls and he loves the UC

But yes, I’m aware they we likely don’t have the assets.

[NecessaryEvil]

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Bring our leader home AK

Kind of warming to the idea. There are a lot of guys who have a lot of injuries early in their career that go on to have long, productive careers. He works hard and he's athletic, he could overcome this. His injury history is the only reason he's available in the first place. But what's the cost going to be to add Zion? Would like to keep Giddey and Matas, if possible, but honestly Matas could go if it gets us Zion. His potential is higher than anybody in this draft, there's really no cost we could pay that's too high, other than too many first round picks.

His contract is really low for a player of his age and caliber too, and he's locked up 3 more years. $39.4 mill next season, $44.9 in 2027-2028 season. Some players could be getting $70 mill then.

Fire his trainer, don't care if it's his dad or the most famous trainer in the world. Steph got a new trainer after his fourth year that focused on his core instead of his ankles and it changed his life.

Does he work hard? They guy literally has weigh in clauses in his contract, that doesn't sound like a hard worker to me.

I am, and will always, be against bringing in Zion, especially on this current team and the way it's constructed.

Plus with Zion 'putting up numbers' his price is only going to get higher which means giving up multiple FRPs for a guys that's a constant injury issue.

The team as currently constructed?!?

There isn’t a player on this team that can sniff Zion’s jockstrap

There is nothing figured out here but a system of play. We have Z E R O stars and I love the young players here.

[Infinity2152]

Zion never wanted to be in N.O.

That much was apparent since N.O. went to number one at the draft. It was all over his face.

Chicago doesn’t get that Zion. He loves the old Bulls and he loves the UC

But yes, I’m aware they we likely don’t have the assets.

Man, I'm calling them, "Hey I got a great center, 18/11, shoots threes, great contract, a 24 yr old sharpshooting scoring guard who can put up 20 a night on one of the best contracts in the league, both expiring so you can make up your mind whether to keep them, the number 7 pick in the deepest draft of All-Time, and if you act now, I'll throw in a 2028 UNPROTECTED pick!! Our guys are SUPER durable, aren't you tired of paying a guy who's not playing you just suspended? Limited time offer, operators are standing by!"

[NecessaryEvil]

Zion never wanted to be in N.O.

That much was apparent since N.O. went to number one at the draft. It was all over his face.

Chicago doesn’t get that Zion. He loves the old Bulls and he loves the UC

But yes, I’m aware they we likely don’t have the assets.

Man, I'm calling them, "Hey I got a great center, 18/11, shoots threes, great contract, a 24 yr old sharpshooting scoring guard who can put up 20 a night on one of the best contracts in the league, both expiring so you can make up your mind whether to keep them, the number 7 pick in the deepest draft of All-Time, and if you act now, I'll throw in a 2028 UNPROTECTED pick!! Limited time offer, operators are standing by!"

I'm sure AK is going to try, atleast I hope he does. I'd give them whatever they want EXCEPT for Coby White. Coby & Zion would wreck sh** especially THIS version of subzero.

[Infinity2152]

Zion never wanted to be in N.O.

That much was apparent since N.O. went to number one at the draft. It was all over his face.

Chicago doesn’t get that Zion. He loves the old Bulls and he loves the UC

But yes, I’m aware they we likely don’t have the assets.

Man, I'm calling them, "Hey I got a great center, 18/11, shoots threes, great contract, a 24 yr old sharpshooting scoring guard who can put up 20 a night on one of the best contracts in the league, both expiring so you can make up your mind whether to keep them, the number 7 pick in the deepest draft of All-Time, and if you act now, I'll throw in a 2028 UNPROTECTED pick!! Limited time offer, operators are standing by!"

I'm sure AK is going to try, atleast I hope he does. I'd give them whatever they want EXCEPT for Coby White. Coby & Zion would wreck sh** especially THIS version of subzero.

Would love to keep Coby, Giddey, Matas. Giddey would be the hardest to include and I want him feeding Zion, so it's between Coby or Matas. We'd have to give them SOMETHING high value with Vuc and the picks. TBH, they could have Matas. Ball, Coby and Giddey are ready to kill right now with Zion. We seem to have a rare over abundance of decent centers right now, lol. We'd still have Collins and Smith.

[Muzbar]

Kind of warming to the idea. There are a lot of guys who have a lot of injuries early in their career that go on to have long, productive careers. He works hard and he's athletic, he could overcome this. His injury history is the only reason he's available in the first place. But what's the cost going to be to add Zion? Would like to keep Giddey and Matas, if possible, but honestly Matas could go if it gets us Zion. His potential is higher than anybody in this draft, there's really no cost we could pay that's too high, other than too many first round picks.

His contract is really low for a player of his age and caliber too, and he's locked up 3 more years. $39.4 mill next season, $44.9 in 2027-2028 season. Some players could be getting $70 mill then.

Fire his trainer, don't care if it's his dad or the most famous trainer in the world. Steph got a new trainer after his fourth year that focused on his core instead of his ankles and it changed his life.

Does he work hard? They guy literally has weigh in clauses in his contract, that doesn't sound like a hard worker to me.

I am, and will always, be against bringing in Zion, especially on this current team and the way it's constructed.

Plus with Zion 'putting up numbers' his price is only going to get higher which means giving up multiple FRPs for a guys that's a constant injury issue.

The team as currently constructed?!?

There isn’t a player on this team that can sniff Zion’s jockstrap

There is nothing figured out here but a system of play. We have Z E R O stars and I love the young players here.

That's exactly my point.

Bringing Zion to Chicago does nothing but bring a allstar player (if healthy) to a team of nobodies, what would be the point? You'd be trading out young players and FRPs to bring in Zion with no support around him whatsoever.

Dude will have another injury sooner or later, whether that's in New Orleans or Chicago or anywhere else for that matter.

Zero interest in Zion.

[Infinity2152]

That's cap that bringing Zion here is bringing hm to a team of nobodies. Coby's shown he gets the minutes, he's a 20 pts/gm SG. Giddey has been playing like an All-Star, and he's young and new he should be better. Collins has proven to be a good center. Smith has shown good center tendencies. Ball is one of the best floor generals and elevators on both sides of the ball. Tre Jones could still be here. Ayo could get back. Giddey, Coby, Zion as the core with all that support is a damn solid young core. You have to get the first superstar to have a superstar, lol. How do we get the first star if we have to wait to have a star to get a star? Could we add a star to Zion later? Could he be the first star, an absolutely great fit with our core and the perfect age?

Would a star want to come to Chicago to play with Coby, Giddey, Zion? Why not? Bulls could re-sign Giddey, sign a star summer 2026, and re-sign Coby over the cap easily.

[NecessaryEvil]

Does he work hard? They guy literally has weigh in clauses in his contract, that doesn't sound like a hard worker to me.

I am, and will always, be against bringing in Zion, especially on this current team and the way it's constructed.

Plus with Zion 'putting up numbers' his price is only going to get higher which means giving up multiple FRPs for a guys that's a constant injury issue.

The team as currently constructed?!?

There isn’t a player on this team that can sniff Zion’s jockstrap

There is nothing figured out here but a system of play. We have Z E R O stars and I love the young players here.

That's exactly my point.

Bringing Zion to Chicago does nothing but bring a allstar player (if healthy) to a team of nobodies, what would be the point? You'd be trading out young players and FRPs to bring in Zion with no support around him whatsoever.

Dude will have another injury sooner or later, whether that's in New Orleans or Chicago or anywhere else for that matter.

Zero interest in Zion.

I don’t see why stars wouldn’t have interest in playing with Zion IN Chicago. If you build it, they will come.

Zion is Chicago is box office.

[NecessaryEvil]

Man, I'm calling them, "Hey I got a great center, 18/11, shoots threes, great contract, a 24 yr old sharpshooting scoring guard who can put up 20 a night on one of the best contracts in the league, both expiring so you can make up your mind whether to keep them, the number 7 pick in the deepest draft of All-Time, and if you act now, I'll throw in a 2028 UNPROTECTED pick!! Limited time offer, operators are standing by!"

I'm sure AK is going to try, atleast I hope he does. I'd give them whatever they want EXCEPT for Coby White. Coby & Zion would wreck sh** especially THIS version of subzero.

Would love to keep Coby, Giddey, Matas. Giddey would be the hardest to include and I want him feeding Zion, so it's between Coby or Matas. We'd have to give them SOMETHING high value with Vuc and the picks. TBH, they could have Matas. Ball, Coby and Giddey are ready to kill right now with Zion. We seem to have a rare over abundance of decent centers right now, lol. We'd still have Collins and Smith.

I would too. Zion, Matas, Giddey and Coby would be a dope core to build around, atleast in my opinion.

I really don’t want to trade Matas at all. Bro is different.

[Infinity2152]

The team as currently constructed?!?

There isn’t a player on this team that can sniff Zion’s jockstrap

There is nothing figured out here but a system of play. We have Z E R O stars and I love the young players here.

That's exactly my point.

Bringing Zion to Chicago does nothing but bring a allstar player (if healthy) to a team of nobodies, what would be the point? You'd be trading out young players and FRPs to bring in Zion with no support around him whatsoever.

Dude will have another injury sooner or later, whether that's in New Orleans or Chicago or anywhere else for that matter.

Zero interest in Zion.

I don’t see why stars wouldn’t have interest in playing with Zion IN Chicago. If you build it, they will come.

Zion is Chicago is box office.

Bro! Can you imagine how much actual cash the Bulls organization would make with Zion here? And blow his brand up in a major market. They'll be way more willing to go into the tax to pay a contender with a money draw like that. And of course stars would come to Chicago to play with Zion and Giddey. They see the outrageous numbers Giddey puts up, even if some of our fans ignore them. Who wouldn't want to play with a guy averaging 8-9 assists a game? And the unstoppable 23 year old?

Here's the hilarious thing. We have NO high end talent on this squad! Nothing that even comes close to Zion. Yet somehow adding a 23 yr old player who would easily be the best player on the team on a very good contract for his player level will be a bad move? Because we might draft a player that's half as good as Zion? We shouldn't get him because we don't already have another star? We just traded that guy away, lmao!!!

[Jcool0]

Zion never wanted to be in N.O.

That much was apparent since N.O. went to number one at the draft. It was all over his face.

Chicago doesn’t get that Zion. He loves the old Bulls and he loves the UC

But yes, I’m aware they we likely don’t have the assets.

Man, I'm calling them, "Hey I got a great center, 18/11, shoots threes, great contract, a 24 yr old sharpshooting scoring guard who can put up 20 a night on one of the best contracts in the league, both expiring so you can make up your mind whether to keep them, the number 7 pick in the deepest draft of All-Time, and if you act now, I'll throw in a 2028 UNPROTECTED pick!! Limited time offer, operators are standing by!"

I'm sure AK is going to try, atleast I hope he does. I'd give them whatever they want EXCEPT for Coby White. Coby & Zion would wreck sh** especially THIS version of subzero.

Coby would need to be included if you want a chance at Zion.