Cowherd: Derrick Rose is closer to Tmac and AI then MJ+Magic

Howling Mad · Post #21 » by **Howling Mad** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:48 pm

Rerisen wrote:Just because someone is on the radio doesn't make them right.

I thought the general board is the only place I ridiculously defend Derrick.

Rerisen wrote:Derrick is not Tmac or Allen Iverson, but it appears Derrick *did* want to be the man here. All his comments prior and post free agency seem to indicate that. Now its on him to prove he can be.

I don't buy that BS about not calling back, not talking. Maybe he didn't, but maybe he was told not to. I'm leaning more towards him not wanting to, while being told not to tamper.

I'm fine with it, this kid is impressing me more than I could've imagined.

umfan83 · Post #22 » by **umfan83** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:51 pm

Howling Mad wrote:
Rerisen wrote:Just because someone is on the radio doesn't make them right.

I thought the general board is the only place I ridiculously defend Derrick.

Rerisen wrote:Derrick is not Tmac or Allen Iverson, but it appears Derrick *did* want to be the man here. All his comments prior and post free agency seem to indicate that. Now its on him to prove he can be.

I don't buy that BS about not calling back, not talking. Maybe he didn't, but maybe he was told not to. I'm leaning more towards him not wanting to, while being told not to tamper.

I'm fine with it, this kid is impressing me more than I could've imagined.

I doubt Rose didn't call back LeBron or whatever. The kid wants to fit in among the NBA elite. That means if he gets a call from LeDouche, he returns it. Now, did he aggressively sell LBJ on coming here? That's a different story.

Hold That · Post #23 » by **Hold That** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:54 pm

If the worse thing he can say about D.Rose is him not wanting LeBron, then D.Rose has come a long way..

sco · Post #24 » by **sco** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:54 pm

IWannaGoHIGHER wrote:Nope I go to Michigan.

Go Blue (proud alum!)

Generally, I want to say that when your PG is your first option on offense, your team pays a price. It just seems to have the affect that guys are less willing to run as hard on the break or to get open in the half-court because they aren't sure their PG is looking for them.

Now regarding Rose, he has never had a legit 1st option player to help him adjust his mindset a little. When your best option is Deng, it's hard to blame him not to look. What I saw a little last night is that he is getting better at setting guys up for easy shots, and when Boozer comes back, I think he'll be more balanced.

Post #25 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:55 pm

we are supposed to believe that LBJ didnt come here because Rose didnt call him?

After arranging for years (since 2008 Olympics) to play with Wade & Bosh - and after discussing it for months prior (per Bosh's statement at the celebration) - we are supposed to believe that he would have cancelled everything if Rose had called him?

That reasoning is just idiotic

TheAdmiral · Post #26 » by **TheAdmiral** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:56 pm

The Force. wrote:I stopped reading at "Cowherd"

IWannaGoHIGHER · Post #27 » by **IWannaGoHIGHER** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:58 pm

sco wrote:
IWannaGoHIGHER wrote:Nope I go to Michigan.

Go Blue (proud alum!)

Go Blue! Always great to see another Wolverine. Especially in these dark Rich Rod times .......

JordansBulls · Post #28 » by **JordansBulls** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:58 pm

Howling Mad wrote:One thing that sucks about moving west. I'm defaulted to listening to West coast radio. Its nice I get to hear Dan Patrick again, but guys like Jim Rome, Colin Cowherd, etc really annoy me sometimes.

This morning Cowherd was discussing basketball. After a 30 minute session yesterday on dissing John Wall for his dance, and going off about how Wall isn't the real deal and that he's closer to Derrick Rose than he is to Dwade, which I didn't get. I thought the Rose/Wall comparison was a compliment but today he cleared that up. Today he talked about how Derrick didn't return phone calls from Lebron and DWade, and how he is selfish about wanting to be the man. He argues the 3 dudes in Miami all gave up something to win. He continues to state that Derrick Rose is closer to Tmac and AI, then Magic, Bird, Lebron, Michael, etc. He goes on to say that guys with high basketball IQ like Wade, Lebron and Bosh are what wins championships.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd= ... ign=KWWNAM

He pulls up old articles, that were contradicted with other articles, about Derrick not wanting Lebron, and that his sources say Lebron was serious about Chicago, but since he didn't receive a phone call back, he went with Wade.

He states Derrick Rose is "Fools Gold". ESPN pumps him up but he's not a winner. He argues, Rose will have a lot of highlights but his selfish attitude about being the man and his low basketball IQ will result in him being beat by teams like the Knicks. "He's closer to Tmac and AI, then he is to winners like MJ and Magic".

I'm scratching my head here.

Derrick played pretty good. His defense wasn't great, as usual, and he's partly responsible for Tony Douglas going off on a career night, but to blame him for this loss. To argue he's selfish about being the man, "fools gold", low basketball IQ.

Please, make me feel better.

Well he is. And nothing is wrong with Rose being as good as Tmac or Iverson.

sutrick · Post #29 » by **sutrick** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:00 pm

I listen to Cowherd, not many options where I live, and generally enjoy listening to him because he does express opinions that sometimes make a lot of sense. However his issue is he comes up with a theme behind something and then gives examples even when they don't fit. Overall his basketball sense is average. This week it was criticizing John Wall and praising Rondo. Basically saying Wall will never win any championships. So I would never use him as an authority on basketball and so he doesn't know Rose much better than the casual fan.

JordansBulls · Post #30 » by **JordansBulls** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:00 pm

Wait how the **** did he say Bosh is a winner?

Ajosu · Post #31 » by **Ajosu** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:03 pm

Heh, just not worth it...

Chrome · Post #32 » by **Chrome** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:04 pm

DuckIII wrote:Cowterd.

madvillian · Post #33 » by **madvillian** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:09 pm

Dude Colin Cowherd is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) OK? This is a guy that thought Cliff Lee was dogging it against teams like KC and when Lee called him out on his BS he refused to apologize. He also plagiarized a Michigan blog's material, never credited them, and when caught also refused to apologize.

This guy is a tool shed.

barn34 · Post #34 » by **barn34** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:10 pm

What do you get when you cross Isiah Thomas with Dominique Wilkins? Derrick Rose. That's seriously what I see when I watch Derrick and have pretty much thought this since his rookie year. I firmly believe that he'll have success close to that of Isiah (the player), as well. 2 rings, 1 finals MVP, x12 All-Star, x3 All NBA 1st team, x2 All NBA 2nd team. Average 'Niques scoring with Isiah's (21.95 ppg), Isiah's passing (9.3 apg career) and average the rebounds (5.6 rpg may be a tad big high, but you get the idea) and steals (1.6 spg) and that looks like a projected D-Rose career stat line, to me. Is that the second coming of AI or TMac? Didn't think so.

Howling Mad · Post #35 » by **Howling Mad** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:11 pm

sutrick wrote:I listen to Cowherd, not many options where I live, and generally enjoy listening to him because he does express opinions that sometimes make a lot of sense. However his issue is he comes up with a theme behind something and then gives examples even when they don't fit. Overall his basketball sense is average. This week it was criticizing John Wall and praising Rondo. Basically saying Wall will never win any championships. So I would never use him as an authority on basketball and so he doesn't know Rose much better than the casual fan.

That Wall talk was absolutely ridiculous. I just got a 10 minute snipet of it while driving my wife to work, then got out of the car, but I heard the comparisons to Rose. At the time I didn't think much of it, actually I thoguht it was a compliment. Today his rant on Derrick Rose clears that up. Rondo is a great player, can't argue much there. You put John Wall on the Celtics, Derrick with the perfect supporting cast; a shooter (allen), gritty driver to the lane(PP), and a defensive big that can score out of the post(KG), who all happen to be hall of famers, I wouldn't be shy to bet that team would look better than the current celtics.

Howling Mad · Post #36 » by **Howling Mad** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:13 pm

madvillian wrote:Dude Colin Cowherd is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) OK? This is a guy that thought Cliff Lee was dogging it against teams like KC and when Lee called him out on his BS he refused to apologize. He also plagiarized a Michigan blog's material, never credited them, and when caught also refused to apologize.

This guy is a tool shed.

I heard the Cliff Lee stuff. I thought that was also ridiculous, but I didn't watch every game he pitched so I couldn't rightfully argue.

Didn't hear about the Michigan blog stuff, thats interesting.

Post #37 » by **Payt10** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:19 pm

Well if that's what he said then it's obvious he has no idea who Derrick Rose is. Lol @ Derrick being a selfish player. That gave me a good laugh!

Al Swearengen · Post #38 » by **Al Swearengen** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:22 pm

I saw the thread title and was like "Whaa?" then I remembered who Cowherd is, and was all like :lol:

madvillian · Post #39 » by **madvillian** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:25 pm

Al Swearengen wrote:I saw the thread title and was like "Whaa?" then I remembered who Cowherd is, and was all like

He's a hooplehead, Al.

madvillian · Post #40 » by **madvillian** » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:26 pm

Howling Mad wrote:
madvillian wrote:Dude Colin Cowherd is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) OK? This is a guy that thought Cliff Lee was dogging it against teams like KC and when Lee called him out on his BS he refused to apologize. He also plagiarized a Michigan blog's material, never credited them, and when caught also refused to apologize.

This guy is a tool shed.

I heard the Cliff Lee stuff. I thought that was also ridiculous, but I didn't watch every game he pitched so I couldn't rightfully argue.

Didn't hear about the Michigan blog stuff, thats interesting.

http://michiganzone.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... -zone.html