Boozer and the PNR, video -- Double High Screen vid pg. 11

jl342323 · Post #21 » by **jl342323** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:49 am

Rerisen wrote: Even his jumper (2:05) he is getting lift in his legs.

nope

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0hFv1vFJ80[/youtube]

i dont see any difference

boogydown · Post #22 » by **boogydown** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:52 am

alucryts wrote:Actually, Rip's movement off the ball can create some extremely effective pick and roll opportunities down low off of passes. We tried this a bunch versus the Warriors and we simply were off on the timing of the passes leading to turnovers. One of the biggest themes you will see this year in our offense is two 2 man games with Deng roaming. Rose and Boozer will play off of each other while Noah and Rip will play off of each other. The Rip and Noah pick and roll is going to kill teams when they get it down.

There are exceptions that can be done in the game. The Bogans Role is defined as you stay at the 3PT Line Only. Rip should do this unless he is in the play or sees an opportunity.

Ball movement though between Rose and Rip to Boozer and Noah will be key for us moving forward.

Post #23 » by **alucryts** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:54 am

boogydown wrote:
alucryts wrote:Actually, Rip's movement off the ball can create some extremely effective pick and roll opportunities down low off of passes. We tried this a bunch versus the Warriors and we simply were off on the timing of the passes leading to turnovers. One of the biggest themes you will see this year in our offense is two 2 man games with Deng roaming. Rose and Boozer will play off of each other while Noah and Rip will play off of each other. The Rip and Noah pick and roll is going to kill teams when they get it down.

There are exceptions that can be done in the game. The Bogans Role is defined as you stay at the 3PT Line Only. Rip should do this unless he is in the play or sees an opportunity.

Ball movement though between Rose and Rip to Boozer and Noah will be key for us moving forward.

Oh of course if Rip isn't part of the play he should Bogans. I see some serious potential for chemistry between Rip and Noah on offense though.

boogydown · Post #24 » by **boogydown** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:55 am

m_willis01 wrote:Wouldn't that be a plausible and likely lineup if we played the Heat tho...

Deng would have to face Lebron at the 4...

and you just pray and Hope Booz can stay in front of Bosh

That's another story. Of course, if they are using that lineup, we could just use Noah and Boozer and out rebound them to the point they realize they need Haslem in the game.

Post #25 » by **alucryts** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:55 am

jl342323 wrote:
Rerisen wrote: Even his jumper (2:05) he is getting lift in his legs.

nope

i dont see any difference

You have to admit that Boozer had much more lift in Utah as compared to last year.

Post #26 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:56 am

jl342323 wrote:nope

i dont see any difference

Wait, I thought he was limited and hurt this series. Which is it? He was hurt or not hurt?

boogydown · Post #27 » by **boogydown** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:57 am

alucryts wrote:Oh of course if Rip isn't part of the play he should Bogans. I see some serious potential for chemistry between Rip and Noah on offense though.

I agree. I see a ton of potential with Rip and everyone.

My problem is Ronnie Brewer, CJ Watson slow paced offense, and Kyle Korver when he is ice cold. Out of all those 3, I really would prefer Ronnie Brewer dealt for a dynamic scorer off the bench. A backup PG isn't easy to get who can play D, and Kyle Korver when hot is incredibly effective as seen many times last year and fouls his way to makeup for his lack of D which only lasts so long. Brewer is never effective on offense.

Besides, do we really need Brewer after this season after just drafting Butler. Brewer slows down our offense incredibility and his strength on defense doesn't outweigh it. Brewer wouldn't even be on this team if Raja Bell had signed with us.

I think the Bulls know this and really want to move Brewer but I don't think he is tradeable.

m_willis01 · Post #28 » by **m_willis01** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:57 am

jl342323 wrote:
Rerisen wrote: Even his jumper (2:05) he is getting lift in his legs.

nope

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0hFv1vFJ80[/youtube]

i dont see any difference

Watching this has me convinced that our PnR offense will eventually come around...

We just need to be patient I guess because it has the ability to be Special.

nomorezorro · Post #29 » by **nomorezorro** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:57 am

Rerisen wrote:Second one is kind of blurry, but this is just a simple post up, Boozer has just gotten the ball, but look how open the lane is. He scores on a hook (1:30).

they did this a bunch in the preseason with rip feeding the ball to boozer early in the clock & noah at the top of the key jsyk. the p&r stuff is a legitimate concern, but i think people have to respect noah's ballhandling/passing abilities enough that getting boozer one-on-one in the post with space shouldn't be a problem

jl342323 · Post #30 » by **jl342323** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:58 am

alucryts wrote:I can watch every single play the bulls run, but only the ones where a possession is recorded are tagged for me to pick out easily. You also have to look at Rose's PNR ball handler because that is the other half of the PNR play.

i actually looked at drose as the pnr handler first on synergy and it only recorded 7 plays. and out of 3 that was free to view only 1 had boozer as the roll man.

so in total synergy only recorded at max 6 plays that was started with drose as the ball handler and boozer as the roll man?

m_willis01 · Post #31 » by **m_willis01** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:59 am

PnR offense will be great for us in when it come around...

Rose still NEEDS to Speed the game up and ATTACK, so others will follow suit..

jl342323 · Post #32 » by **jl342323** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:00 am

Rerisen wrote:Wait, I thought he was limited and hurt this series. Which is it? He was hurt or not hurt?

lol what? why do you even want to go there? is this a bait?

Post #33 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:00 am

m_willis01 wrote:PnR offense will be great for us in when it come around...

The problem isn't it's not coming around, so much as we just aren't running it. In lieu of Rip and Deng running around screens and floppy action.

Post #34 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:01 am

jl342323 wrote:lol what? why do you even want to go there? is this a bait?

Don't answer a question with a question, just answer. Was Boozer as athletic in the ATL series, or any time last year, as in Utah?

That is what I am asking. To me it's not even close, he's not. Your answer appeared to indicate you thought he was.

Though highlights vids tend to make guys look better, Boozer legitimately put the ball on the floor and had an athletic finish over people about 20-25 times in that vid. Last year, even when healthy to start the year, can't remember more than maybe 2 or 3 of those type of plays going at the rim at similar speed and vertical.

m_willis01 · Post #35 » by **m_willis01** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:03 am

Rerisen wrote:
m_willis01 wrote:PnR offense will be great for us in when it come around...

The problem isn't it's not coming around, so much as we just aren't running it. In lieu of Rip and Deng running around screens and floppy action.

OMG I must admit we run way toooooo much Floppy for my liking..

More PnR and less Floppy. Thibs need to cut back those Boston plays man :banghead:

CalilLove89 · Post #36 » by **CalilLove89** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:04 am

Rerisen wrote:
m_willis01 wrote:PnR offense will be great for us in when it come around...

The problem isn't it's not coming around, so much as we just aren't running it. In lieu of Rip and Deng running around screens and floppy action.

Completely agree, the fact is we have no post offense from Boozer, and very limited from Noah so we should be running the PnR more than force feeding Booz in the post.

jl342323 · Post #37 » by **jl342323** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:04 am

alucryts wrote:You have to admit that Boozer had much more lift in Utah as compared to last year.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPsWxweJGyE[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItJ1kDeqYc[/youtube]

i think he still has some pop in his legs

his max vert was 28 not that impressive

Post #38 » by **alucryts** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:05 am

jl342323 wrote:
alucryts wrote:I can watch every single play the bulls run, but only the ones where a possession is recorded are tagged for me to pick out easily. You also have to look at Rose's PNR ball handler because that is the other half of the PNR play.

i actually looked at drose as the pnr handler first on synergy and it only recorded 7 plays. and out of 3 that was free to view only 1 had boozer as the roll man.

so in total synergy only recorded at max 6 plays that was started with drose as the ball handler and boozer as the roll man?

Yeah it hasn't been run much at all.

Post #39 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:05 am

He can still dunk, like MJ still could 2nd three peat, but he isn't getting up as high.

Doesn't mean he can't still be an effective player for us, but just silly to argue against father time.

jl342323 · Post #40 » by **jl342323** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:06 am

Rerisen wrote:Last year, even when healthy to start the year, can't remember more than maybe 2 or 3 of those type of plays going at the rim at similar speed and vertical.

you can blame noah for creating zero space for boozer as we see in this thread