Would the Bulls 'reset' and trade Jimmy Butler this offseason ? What would Celtics need to give you?

[bullsRlife]

If you could get the first or 2nd overall pick(Either Simmons or Ingram would be great) for Jimmy you do it. Any more picks is a bonus.

Ben Simmons is another story. He's potentially a franchise player, and if that's the case, retool/rebuild. Just as a rookie (if he projects out to be a stud), he'd be a really cheap good to low tier all star caliber player on a cheap contract. That's there biggest game changer in the NBA, and we're beyond flexible with the roster, and what pieces we can add.

[Dominator83]

That actually would be one hell of a "sell high" move. The thing this board always complains about is not selling high on guys/assets. I would be leaning tords taking the Boston package, mainly because I dont feel that Gar is capable of putting the right players around Butler while hes still in his prime. His prime will likely be wasted here

[bullsRlife]

You'd want to combine it with tanking next year to really restock enough sure talent.

Sign someone to a 1 year deal like Noah, then clear it off again the following summer along with Rose.

Just don't forget when Jimmy was healthy, despite all its problems the Bulls were still a top 4 type team in the East.

So you would be voluntarily dropping down several tiers, and if you miss getting the next superstar with your best pick then you've probably traded in a perennial playoff team for 5 years of cellar hell.

And through it all... we'd have the same FO. Those are the guys you would be trusting to build it up again and find all the right pieces. I don't think they really deserve another whole 'start from zero' clean slate 5 year building window.

Keeping Jimmy and finding a new FO sounds more appealing frankly.

Pretty much in agreement.

[bullsRlife]

That actually would be one hell of a "sell high" move. The thing this board always complains about is not selling high on guys/assets. I would be leaning tords taking the Boston package, mainly because I dont feel that Gar is capable of putting the right players around Butler while hes still in his prime. His prime will likely be wasted here

And the FO would magicslly change when the stud rookies here? It's the SE song and dance, except they get a few years room for cushion, and a built in excuse to be the incompetent idiots that they are.

[bullsRlife]

I'd have preferred the Magic's trade proposal of Oladipo and Vucevic. Plugs 2 holes, and we have our younger, more defensively capable Pau replacement, and theoretically, Noah replacement, while also getting a defensive stud with a consistent 3 ball, handling/shot creating, and very good play maker in Oladipo.

I'd have signed off on that deal in a nano second.

[RedBulls23]

Celtics poster claims this was more than imagination at the deadline, but no idea of his credentials. Knowing what we know about how the Bulls operate and Jimmy's reported friction with the team, it wouldn't shock me.

Correct
Jimmy Butler was the target. A friend works in the front office, the deal agreed to was Jimmy Butler for Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Nets ’16 Pick. Agreed to by Celtics and Bulls, but Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf vetoed the trade. The Celtics will try again for Butler in the offseason.

by greenteam17

Man, unless that pick turned into Ben Simmons that would be a awful trade for the Bulls.

Now if it's true that JR vetoed that trade, I'm starting to wonder if Gar really is on the outs? Which would make sense why the only trade gar was able or allowed to make was a cost cutting one.

[Jimako10]

Celtics poster claims this was more than imagination at the deadline, but no idea of his credentials. Knowing what we know about how the Bulls operate and Jimmy's reported friction with the team, it wouldn't shock me.

Correct
Jimmy Butler was the target. A friend works in the front office, the deal agreed to was Jimmy Butler for Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Nets ’16 Pick. Agreed to by Celtics and Bulls, but Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf vetoed the trade. The Celtics will try again for Butler in the offseason.

by greenteam17

I actually like that JR vetoed that trade. Better to wait after the lottery to see what pick that ends up being.

[Rerisen]

Now if it's true that JR vetoed that trade, I'm starting to wonder if Gar really is on the outs? Which would make sense why the only trade gar was able or allowed to make was a cost cutting one.

It is consistent with what we expect of Jerry which is conservative and steady hand. While he isn't in the business of risky 'go for it' moves, also don't think he's interested in blowing it up, starting over, no playoff profit, and trusting Garface to build it all back again.

[Dominator83]

That actually would be one hell of a "sell high" move. The thing this board always complains about is not selling high on guys/assets. I would be leaning tords taking the Boston package, mainly because I dont feel that Gar is capable of putting the right players around Butler while hes still in his prime. His prime will likely be wasted here

And the FO would magicslly change when the stud rookies here? It's the SE song and dance, except they get a few years room for cushion, and a built in excuse to be the incompetent idiots that they are.

Well Gar needs to go thats for sure or this team will never get anywhere. But if were stuck with him, I have zero faith whatsoever that he can build a championship team around Jimmy while hes still in prime years.

Plus I can just see it 2-3 years from now a common complaint on this board being, "why didn't we trade Jimmy when he would've gotten a Kings ransom?" in every other thread.

[pylb]

This being a terrible draft I wouldn't trade Butler for any combination of picks.

[coldfish]

Celtics poster claims this was more than imagination at the deadline, but no idea of his credentials. Knowing what we know about how the Bulls operate and Jimmy's reported friction with the team, it wouldn't shock me.

Correct
Jimmy Butler was the target. A friend works in the front office, the deal agreed to was Jimmy Butler for Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Nets ’16 Pick. Agreed to by Celtics and Bulls, but Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf vetoed the trade. The Celtics will try again for Butler in the offseason.

by greenteam17

Let's forget about the fan angle here.

Bulls management wants Jimmy off the team.
Jerry doesn't want to tank and lose the revenue.

Jerry will win this battle. If the Bulls end up missing the playoffs, I wonder if heads really do roll. Lost in McDermott's recent surge to competence is the fact that the Bulls are now 0.5 games out of missing the playoffs. At this point, I think the Bulls will slide in based on schedule but man is this season ugly.

[jax98]

2016 Brooklyn pick unprotected (currently#4)
2016 Dallas pick
2016 Celtics pick
2018 Brooklyn pick unprotected
Avery Bradley
Amir Johnson (Salary)

for Jimmy Butler+ filler.

Fire away guys...

No fire necessary. I take that deal without hesitation. I'm pro-rebuilding and this package gives the Bulls the necessary tools to do just that, and more. Now, I love Jimmy Butler and would prefer to have him around, but I'm also a realist. He's going to be 27 this year, and when the guys acquired from these draft picks will be ready, he'll more than likely be in his early 30's.

So yes. Absolutely I do this, especially if Avery Bradley can be flipped for someone young (which he can, given his contract).

[6_Rings]

Reset for me means rebuilding around him

[Mattchoo]

JB is one of my fav players but I'd do the deal I think


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[Betta Bulleavit]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd take this deal rather quickly. We obviously give up the most proven asset, but a deal like this would give us the ability to rebuild rather quickly since it gives us a lot of present draft picks to play with. 3 of which could very easily be lottery picks. And then we get a decent player back as well? Why the hell not? I like Jimmy but his long term value for this team could very well be in a trade rather than on the court despite how good of a player he is.

[I beg to differ]

no

[sco]

I LOVE JB, but Simmons/Crowder would get me excited about the future. I like Smart if he's enough for the FO to let Rose go. Simmons is a stud, but we end-up with a lopsided bunch of forwards to sort through. We'd have Crowder, McD, Simmons, Niko, Taj and Portis, but I guess that's why they call it rebuilding.

[Mattchoo]

Any Celtics contracts this summer that are unguaranteed that we could waive for cap space?????


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[robbie84]

I LOVE JB, but Simmons/Crowder would get me excited about the future. I like Smart if he's enough for the FO to let Rose go. Simmons is a stud, but we end-up with a lopsided bunch of forwards to sort through. We'd have Crowder, McD, Simmons, Niko, Taj and Portis, but I guess that's why they call it rebuilding.

There is no Crowder in this trade (although if you're saying you'd need him back then I understand) and the pick is currently looking like it will be #4 so getting Simmons is unlikely.

Just keepin' it real.

[umfan83]

Jimmy is a great player and would be a great haul but I think the OP is trying too hard not to be a homer. That's a steal for the Bulls. Four 1sts one guaranteed to be in top 6-7, another likely to be a lottery AND Bradley?

My only question is if we can hire that dude back from Orlando for this draft?