Who's willing to trade up?

PaKii94 · Post #21 » by **PaKii94** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:58 pm

Lol. if you guys are willing to give up 2 picks to get to #2, would you do 2 picks/WCJ + fillter for AD?

Red Larrivee · Post #22 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:24 pm

TheJordanRule wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:You're likely giving up next year's first to do it. I'm not doing that for a not-Zion player.

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I feel you as far as the general philosophy, Red, but what if Ja has a great performance at the NBA Draft Combine? Because I think Ja could put himself into Can't Miss territory with a good showing at the Combine. He's not far from that point already, and he's a fit for our roster as a do-it-all PG who can distribute, draw fouls and finish. Basically, everything people complain about Dunn not doing Ja has in spades.

I think Morant has shown all he realistically can display. His weaknesses will still be his weaknesses and his strengths will still be his strengths at the combine. If you believe Morant is an elite point guard in the making, then you do that deal.

If you believe this team is too far away to move next year's first for anything less than Zion, then you keep it as a safety net for another bad season. With the new odds, you never really know what can happen.

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MrSparkle · Post #23 » by **MrSparkle** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:25 pm

PaKii94 wrote:Lol. if you guys are willing to give up 2 picks to get to #2, would you do 2 picks/WCJ + fillter for AD?

No, because he’ll leave.

Rose2Boozer · Post #24 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:54 pm

Not worth the extra assets it will take to move up.

Axl Rose · Post #25 » by **Axl Rose** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:12 pm

MeloRoseNoah wrote:The last time that didn't happen results in settling for Kirk Hinrich instead of Wade. The reason for that was because Donyell Marshall and his 14 pts and 9 boards was too high of a price to move up from #7 to #4. I know that some people are going to say that the Raptors rumor was just a rumor. But, there was legitimate fire about the Raptors wanting a rotation bigman plus #7 for #4. The rumor makes a lot of sense in hindsight considering that the Raptors at the time was run by a dumb meathead named Grunwald, who drafted Bosh in that draft and followed that draft with consecutive bigman busts.

A long time ago i looked into this - I found an article where Pax does admit there were talks about moving up, but nothing was ever on the table. Of course Pax wouldn't admit to a blunder like that (Wade was a superstar by then) But i believe he was really high on Wade and wouldn't have let Donyell Marshall be the deal breaker - Pax was about cleaning house anyway. I imagine Bulls/Raps engaged in semi-serious talks, but it was the Raps who decided against it.

As it was they ended up with Marshall a few months later anyway.

PlayerUp · Post #26 » by **PlayerUp** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:18 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:I think Morant has shown all he realistically can display. His weaknesses will still be his weaknesses and his strengths will still be his strengths at the combine. If you believe Morant is an elite point guard in the making, then you do that deal.

An improved 3PT shot is something that could still be displayed at the combine.

Phu317 · Post #27 » by **Phu317** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:32 pm

PaKii94 wrote:Lol. if you guys are willing to give up 2 picks to get to #2, would you do 2 picks/WCJ + fillter for AD?

Chicago would definitely be willing to do it if AD was willing to sign an extension. NO would have their choice between WCJ or Lauri. Personally, I would probably keep WCJ. Imagine the defense of AD/WCJ/Porter. If we could then get a strong PG in the FA, the Bulls would be relevant again.

PaKii94 · Post #28 » by **PaKii94** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:36 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:Lol. if you guys are willing to give up 2 picks to get to #2, would you do 2 picks/WCJ + fillter for AD?

No, because he’ll leave.

well you'd want the guarantee of an extension but I think it's better value than banking on an unproven rook

Phu317 wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:Lol. if you guys are willing to give up 2 picks to get to #2, would you do 2 picks/WCJ + fillter for AD?

Chicago would definitely be willing to do it if AD was willing to sign an extension. NO would have their choice between WCJ or Lauri. Personally, I would probably keep WCJ. Imagine the defense of AD/WCJ/Porter. If we could then get a strong PG in the FA, the Bulls would be relevant again.

I think lauri is the better fit next to AD almost the perfect stretch 4 for him (imagine an upgraded Niko). WCJ would fit with him too but I think that veers too close to twin towers mentality.

Post #29 » by **dougthonus** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:54 pm

I wouldn't trade up for anyone in this draft. A more interesting conversation would be whether you would be willing to trade down if you landed #2. Would you give up #2 for #5 and a top 5 protected pick next year? I would give up on Morant for that. Granted, any of these conversations are a bit moot until we know where we are. I'd aggressively trade out of this draft if given the option to get good value and we don't have #1.

Ccwatercraft · Post #30 » by **Ccwatercraft** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:54 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:Not worth the extra assets it will take to move up.

agree, of course it depends on the assets. IMO we have more than 1 hole to fill to become a "good" team, and several to become better than just good, so we need all the picks we own. If anything I'd be more willing to trade down than up, maybe with a team like boston or ATL that have multiple picks this year.

sco · Post #31 » by **sco** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:07 pm

dougthonus wrote:I wouldn't trade up for anyone in this draft. A more interesting conversation would be whether you would be willing to trade down if you landed #2. Would you give up #2 for #5 and a top 5 protected pick next year? I would give up on Morant for that. Granted, any of these conversations are a bit moot until we know where we are. I'd aggressively trade out of this draft if given the option to get good value and we don't have #1.

Looking at lottery teams, two interesting deals that I'd consider for #2 (and what their pick is) would be:

NO - Out: Holiday and their 1st In: Dunn, Valentine, Hutchison, Felicio, #2
MEM - Out: Conley and their 1st In: Dunn, Valentine, Hutchison, Felicio, #2

Post #32 » by **coldfish** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:22 pm

dougthonus wrote:I wouldn't trade up for anyone in this draft. A more interesting conversation would be whether you would be willing to trade down if you landed #2. Would you give up #2 for #5 and a top 5 protected pick next year? I would give up on Morant for that. Granted, any of these conversations are a bit moot until we know where we are. I'd aggressively trade out of this draft if given the option to get good value and we don't have #1.

I'm not sure I would give up on Morant easily but I would happily trade down or out of the draft at 3+.

IMO, trading down is going to be the best value in this draft. Some team is going to fall in love with a player and be willing to overpay for him.

How awesome would it be if Chicago got 2, Barrett impressed in workouts and the Bulls got a bidding war going where they dropped down, got Morant plus an asset? I'm a Garland guy so I would be happy with him plus an asset but I realize others don't agree.

kodo · Post #33 » by **kodo** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:24 pm

Not interested.

This is a terrible draft for shooters, all of the top 5 are colossally bad shooters - Zion, RJ, Morant, Culver, Reddish. Throw in Brandon Clarke who is getting a ridiculous amount of steam lately, and this is one of the worst shooting drafts in recent memory. The more I look into details like Morant's release form, the more pessimistic I am about the entire draft.

I'd trade out of the draft entirely before trading up. Assuming #1 won't be for sale, which it won't be.

Red Larrivee · Post #34 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:38 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:I think Morant has shown all he realistically can display. His weaknesses will still be his weaknesses and his strengths will still be his strengths at the combine. If you believe Morant is an elite point guard in the making, then you do that deal.

An improved 3PT shot is something that could still be displayed at the combine.

But why would that sway me over what's already on tape? To me, Morant doesn't even need to participate in the combine.

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ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #35 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:41 pm

I'd trade up for Morant with next years pick top 5 protected, willing to eat a bad contract or so

Post #36 » by **HomoSapien** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:50 pm

I would include Lauri and our pick for Zion and I would do our pick plus a semi protected future first for Morant. If push came to shove, I'd probably consider adding Wendell instead of the future pick, but I'd have to think a bit about it.

Mech Engineer · Post #37 » by **Mech Engineer** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:00 pm

Other than Zion, this is a as-usual crapshoot. These are kind of drafts where you would trade down and get 2 young kids rather than get 1 player. Other than Zion, there will probably be a bunch of players who will turn out to be good rotation players or even all-stars. I think there is a lot of bias for Morant just because he is a PG and the Bulls need a PG in the worst way. We are probably doing all we can to like him as the 2nd best player because Zion is obviously so good. This is where teams have fallen for guys like Hinrich, Flynn, Fredette types as some great players based on college ball play.

The Bulls should do the reverse McDermott trade and aim for 2 picks and the chances are atleast 1 will be a decent player. Don't get burnt again falling for need or evaluation based on college ball. IMO, after Zion, it is just a crapshoot. Just roll the dice and pick 2 of them rather than a single one.

mack2354 · Post #38 » by **mack2354** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:06 pm

I know I'm going to get destroyed for this but I'd trade down from the 1 pick to get Morant. I think Zion will be great and has a ceiling of Top 50 All Time. I just think he lacks the handles, shooting, and height to be a great scorer. Greatest role player of all time but could never be in the tier with Jordan, Kobe or Lebron.

I'm trading 1 and Felicio for 2, 3 future first and a quality role player or two. The celtics fleeced the Nets and they still have great assets almost a decade later. Zion likely will turn out better than Zion in the short and long run. If we have any faith in Lauri, Lavine, WCJ, and Morants potential then we could set our franchise up for success w/o pinning all our stake in 1 player

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Mech Engineer · Post #39 » by **Mech Engineer** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:17 pm

mack2354 wrote:I know I'm going to get destroyed for this but I'd trade down from the 1 pick to get Morant. I think Zion will be great and has a ceiling of Top 50 All Time. I just think he lacks the handles, shooting, and height to be a great scorer. Greatest role player of all time but could never be in the tier with Jordan, Kobe or Lebron.

I'm trading 1 and Felicio for 2, 3 future first and a quality role player or two. The celtics fleeced the Nets and they still have great assets almost a decade later. Zion likely will turn out better than Zion in the short and long run. If we have any faith in Lauri, Lavine, WCJ, and Morants potential then we could set our franchise up for success w/o pinning all our stake in 1 player

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I am not going to argue against your opinions because after all this is an opinion exchange place. For that matter, most GMs have better informed opinions rather than facts when they pick these players in drafts and that's why there are so many failures/draft busts. One thing you have to do is look at draft trends ....and the overall draft theme. This is supposed to be a weak draft and even accepting your opinion at the worst case, Zion is going to be a super role player....that's better than anybody else. Others might be complete busts like Dunn.

Your thinking is on the right track...that's what they should do with the 2nd pick....trade it to get a whole lot of picks if some GM falls for Morant.

Post #40 » by **coldfish** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:42 pm

mack2354 wrote:I know I'm going to get destroyed for this but I'd trade down from the 1 pick to get Morant. I think Zion will be great and has a ceiling of Top 50 All Time. I just think he lacks the handles, shooting, and height to be a great scorer. Greatest role player of all time but could never be in the tier with Jordan, Kobe or Lebron.

I'm trading 1 and Felicio for 2, 3 future first and a quality role player or two. The celtics fleeced the Nets and they still have great assets almost a decade later. Zion likely will turn out better than Zion in the short and long run. If we have any faith in Lauri, Lavine, WCJ, and Morants potential then we could set our franchise up for success w/o pinning all our stake in 1 player

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I was going to hit you with a "kill it with fire" gif but Zion for dumping Felicio, #2, 3 future firsts and two quality role players is one hell of a haul. I love Zion and I would have trouble saying no to that.