OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[Ccwatercraft]

Wife made a mistake and ordered in store pickup (instead of curbside) at Target for some groceries today so I went and picked them up. Pretty crazy experience. I hadn't been out for 2 weeks so walking into a store with a mask on and seeing so many others with masks and gloves on was just surreal. I felt awful for the workers too, they had no real protection on for the most part.

Crazy stuff. I'll certainly remember that moment for the rest of my life.

Live in the Tampa area and hit the grocery store for first time in a couple weeks and was expecting to see masks galore but really only saw maybe 2 and this was smack in the middle of a Saturday. They had plexi glass partitions up at the check out to offer protection and I switched up to ApplePay to avoid getting my mitts on the PIN machine. Actually wiping down the groceries with bleach wipes when we get them home. Back at it in a couple weeks...probably the one place I am exposing myself at all right now besides occasional take out.

that sounds like Publix, they put those partitions up last week, semi useless IMO but maybe every little bit helps. I really have concerns for the workers, they are in contact with so many people, and touching so many items, hell it worried me and I'm there maybe 10 minutes at a time.

I've been making too many trips there because my time killer has been kitchen work, pulling out some old family recipes from the grandparents, homemade pierogies, stuffed peppers and cabbage rolls, rosky (sp) cookies, a huge vat of spaghetti sauce. things that I normally wouldn't do because I didnt have the time.

[chitowndish]

I am a registered nurse in a west Chicago suburb and our hospital is now at 25 confirmed cases. 9 of whom are hospital employees. We are using face masks for multiple days with the exception of patients with an active cough. It is ridiculous. We expect our numbers to climb significantly in the near future.

A month ago i decided to order my own personal stash of PPE online but i don't expect any of it to arrive until late April, early May.

This may not be ideal for hospital use (or maybe it gets to the point where who cares) but if you do need PPE I think a good place to look is tools and hardware equipment they have good eye and breathing protection for painting etc and it seems like this stuff is still available. P100 would be better than the P95 masks and you could just clean the mask or replace the filters when needed.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HALF-Facepiece-3-M-6200-W-2091-FILTERS-Reusable-Respirator-Medium-Free-Shipping/153887027822?hash=item23d461b26e:g:qnwAAOSwmP5eh92Q

[dougthonus]

out of curiosity...why? COVID is itself short for "corona virus disease"

It is the 19 that marks it specifically.

$5 says Doug works for Corona Beer and is trying to detoxify that word!

Foiled again!

[dougthonus]

why does it need to be marked specifically?

It's not a big deal to me. I'm not going through the streets yelling at anyone who says coronavirus. Why complain about me being correct?

everyone knows what you're talking about when you say 'coronavirus' in the year 2020. and will for decades to come. are we somehow offending people who have contracted previous iterations of coronavirus? the only need to specify is if you're talking about PREVIOUS coronaviruses

Did I say using coronavirus offended someone or was confusing? I don't know of anyone that doesn't understand what COVID-19 is but maybe that's only because most people in my life have started referring to it as COVID-19.

There's literally no downside to using the correct term and mild downside to using the incorrect one in that it propagates fear over the generic term coronavirus and could cause people to panic unnecessarily if a mild coronavirus emerges in the future.

[Dresden]

I am a registered nurse in a west Chicago suburb and our hospital is now at 25 confirmed cases. 9 of whom are hospital employees. We are using face masks for multiple days with the exception of patients with an active cough. It is ridiculous. We expect our numbers to climb significantly in the near future.

A month ago i decided to order my own personal stash of PPE online but i don't expect any of it to arrive until late April, early May.

This may not be ideal for hospital use (or maybe it gets to the point where who cares) but if you do need PPE I think a good place to look is tools and hardware equipment they have good eye and breathing protection for painting etc and it seems like this stuff is still available. P100 would be better than the P95 masks and you could just clean the mask or replace the filters when needed.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HALF-Facepiece-3-M-6200-W-2091-FILTERS-Reusable-Respirator-Medium-Free-Shipping/153887027822?hash=item23d461b26e:g:qnwAAOSwmP5eh92Q

I'm a painting contractor, and yes, you're right, you can get some of the equipment at paint stores or hardware stores. I recently got my sister, who is a primary care physician, a respirator through Sherwin Williams paint store. It took about 2 weeks though, and they are also out of many things like the N95's. Tyvek suits are available on line from construction supply companies, or at least were last time I checked. So are goggles and face shields, although the latter is harder to find. The N95's are definitely an item that's almost impossible to get though. I have one of my paint reps on the lookout for a box for me, which I'll send to my sister if he finds me any. And many of the big box stores, like Home Depot, and Lowe's, are out of a lot of these things. You're better off going to a small paint or hardware store- they may still have some in stock. Or searching on line from supply companies.

[Dresden]

California remains one of the least tested populations in the country, but I do like what our governor said about the situation yesterday;

"California has cut its COVID-19 testing backlog by more than two-thirds, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Saturday, but has still managed to test less than one half of 1% of the state's nearly 40 million residents.

“I own that. I have a responsibility as your governor to do better,” the governor said during his daily press briefing."

What a refreshing contrast to the president, who always finds a way to cast the blame onto some other entity besides himself.

[Dresden]

Good interview with Bill Gates on the pandemic:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t&p=bill+gates+interview+Trevor+noah#id=1&vid=513457751497e12bde6004905b53d62a&action=click

Imagine how much better off we'd all be if we had someone like Bill Gates running the country? Why can't we elect people who are really smart, really knowledgeable, and really forward thinking as our leaders, rather than chosing people because they're famous, or have been on TV a lot, or have been in politics forever? It just doesn't make sense why we wouldn't want the brightest people running our country. Instead of celebrities, or people with "recognizable names" like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton? We're just shooting ourselves in the foot with how we chose our leaders.

[whonka]

As a general update to give an idea of what's going on and to give some positive news, it's actually remarkable, astonishing how much hospitals are expanding. Hospital operating rooms, step down units, surgical ICUs, even holding areas have been converted/in preparation to be converted into ICU units. Elective surgeries have all stopped and the ventilators for anesthesia/surgeries are being used for covid patients. Feel like essentially we're treating nothing except COVID these days and unit after unit is filled with covid. Everyone's obviously learning to treat this brand new disease on the fly with limited data, but currently there's still some redundancy as doctors from different specialties are sharing their expertise with each other and learning from each other, nursing staff who don't usually do critical care are being pulled to do critical care and learning from each other on the fly as well. For now due to the above hospitals are increasing their critical care capacity several-fold (thanks leadership and administration!). We'll probably still eventually run out of ventilators and space and it'll suck, but hopefully the expansion and experience continues to match the disease spread at least somewhat, and other states outside of NY/east coast can prepare accordingly.

[t-time]

I am also in the boat of working full time from home during the pandemic.

It’s been interesting to see the reaction of my kids (aged 2 and 4) the last 2 weeks. I have gone from seeing them maybe 45 minutes a day to now with them all day every day.

[Jimako10]

I am a registered nurse in a west Chicago suburb and our hospital is now at 25 confirmed cases. 9 of whom are hospital employees. We are using face masks for multiple days with the exception of patients with an active cough. It is ridiculous. We expect our numbers to climb significantly in the near future.

A month ago i decided to order my own personal stash of PPE online but i don't expect any of it to arrive until late April, early May.

Got 70 in my northside chicago hospital. I've been told the south side chicago hospitals are being hit really hard.

[Chi town]

Good interview with Bill Gates on the pandemic:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t&p=bill+gates+interview+Trevor+noah#id=1&vid=513457751497e12bde6004905b53d62a&action=click

Imagine how much better off we'd all be if we had someone like Bill Gates running the country? Why can't we elect people who are really smart, really knowledgeable, and really forward thinking as our leaders, rather than chosing people because they're famous, or have been on TV a lot, or have been in politics forever? It just doesn't make sense why we wouldn't want the brightest people running our country. Instead of celebrities, or people with "recognizable names" like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton? We're just shooting ourselves in the foot with how we chose our leaders.

They’ve got to run to elect them.

[transplant]

why does it need to be marked specifically?

It's not a big deal to me. I'm not going through the streets yelling at anyone who says coronavirus. Why complain about me being correct?

everyone knows what you're talking about when you say 'coronavirus' in the year 2020. and will for decades to come. are we somehow offending people who have contracted previous iterations of coronavirus? the only need to specify is if you're talking about PREVIOUS coronaviruses

Did I say using coronavirus offended someone or was confusing? I don't know of anyone that doesn't understand what COVID-19 is but maybe that's only because most people in my life have started referring to it as COVID-19.

There's literally no downside to using the correct term and mild downside to using the incorrect one in that it propagates fear over the generic term coronavirus and could cause people to panic unnecessarily if a mild coronavirus emerges in the future.

The **** virus works for me, but if your daughter gives you even an ounce of grief for not using COVID-19, COVID-19 it is. In the overall scheme, I can't think of too many less important things than what we call it.

[Ccwatercraft]

Good interview with Bill Gates on the pandemic:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t&p=bill+gates+interview+Trevor+noah#id=1&vid=513457751497e12bde6004905b53d62a&action=click

Imagine how much better off we'd all be if we had someone like Bill Gates running the country? Why can't we elect people who are really smart, really knowledgeable, and really forward thinking as our leaders, rather than chosing people because they're famous, or have been on TV a lot, or have been in politics forever? It just doesn't make sense why we wouldn't want the brightest people running our country. Instead of celebrities, or people with "recognizable names" like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton? We're just shooting ourselves in the foot with how we chose our leaders.

They’ve got to run to elect them.

why would someone want to run, the moment you announce the press, you opponents, associates all begin the process of trying to damage your image, if you pass that obstacle course half the country dislikes you by default.

no thanks.

ps, Bill Gates was no saint during his career, and likely has no interest in being dragged through mud hes quite comfortable.

[Dresden]

Good interview with Bill Gates on the pandemic:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t&p=bill+gates+interview+Trevor+noah#id=1&vid=513457751497e12bde6004905b53d62a&action=click

Imagine how much better off we'd all be if we had someone like Bill Gates running the country? Why can't we elect people who are really smart, really knowledgeable, and really forward thinking as our leaders, rather than chosing people because they're famous, or have been on TV a lot, or have been in politics forever? It just doesn't make sense why we wouldn't want the brightest people running our country. Instead of celebrities, or people with "recognizable names" like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton? We're just shooting ourselves in the foot with how we chose our leaders.

They’ve got to run to elect them.

why would someone want to run, the moment you announce the press, you opponents, associates all begin the process of trying to damage your image, if you pass that obstacle course half the country dislikes you by default.

no thanks.

ps, Bill Gates was no saint during his career, and likely has no interest in being dragged through mud hes quite comfortable.

I know, that's the problem. It's so difficult, expensive, stressful and time consuming to run, we are excluding some of our best candidates. The election system is out of control, as a result it's not serving us well.

[TallDude]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/world/europe/coronavirus-finland-masks.html

[Dresden]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/world/europe/coronavirus-finland-masks.html

Good for Finland. They are showing the wisdom of putting something aside in case of a rainy day. And the cashiers wearing face shields instead of masks makes a good point- I think the shields are much, much easier to produce and while they aren't as effective as an N95 mask, it's probably at least 50% effective for most day to day encounters.

[vagelis]

Hello to everyone and I hope we all stay healthy.
I created a site with many statistics about coronavirus, dynamic diagrams and multiple maps per stat.
Please have a look here
http://coronavirusstatsonline.com

[dice]

why does it need to be marked specifically?

It's not a big deal to me. I'm not going through the streets yelling at anyone who says coronavirus. Why complain about me being correct?

how is asking a question "complaining"? i was genuinely interested. thought i was missing something. nobody would have a problem with you calling COVID-19...COVID-19. although some people might not actually know that you're referring to what we're currently going through...particularly given that it hit us in 2020

"when you say COVID-19...is that coronavirus?"
"yes"
"the one right now?"
"yep"
"what are the previous ones called?"
"beats me"

everyone knows what you're talking about when you say 'coronavirus' in the year 2020. and will for decades to come. are we somehow offending people who have contracted previous iterations of coronavirus? the only need to specify is if you're talking about PREVIOUS coronaviruses

Did I say using coronavirus offended someone or was confusing?

no. did i say that you did? i was hypothesizing in absence of an answer to my question

There's literally no downside to using the correct term...

didn't say that there was. i was asking why your daughter thought there apparently WAS significant downside to using the also correct and universally used, but slightly less specific term

and mild downside to using the incorrect one in that it propagates fear over the generic term coronavirus and could cause people to panic unnecessarily if a mild coronavirus emerges in the future.

and finally i have gotten my answer...an awfully tortured one, but an answer nonetheless

i would imagine that if a new mild coronavirus emerges in the future, we will take pains at that point to differentiate it. or won't even bother because it will affect so few people. until that hypothetical day...

[dougthonus]

how is asking a question "complaining"? i was genuinely interested. thought i was missing something. nobody would have a problem with you calling COVID-19...COVID-19.

It's pretty unusual for someone to ask why you used the correct terminology to describe something, so I took it as a "this is ridiculous" rather than a genuine question. That opinion was further formed, because you then hypothesized what I view personally as objections that sound ridiculous as well.

As you agreed, not everyone in the general population may not know COVID-19 vs Coronavirus, and I think all things being equal it is better to fix that than to not fix that, but I don't think it's a huge thing.

[dice]

how is asking a question "complaining"? i was genuinely interested. thought i was missing something. nobody would have a problem with you calling COVID-19...COVID-19.

It's pretty unusual for someone to ask why you used the correct terminology to describe something

except that i didn't ask why you used the correct terminology. i asked why your daughter INSISTED on it, which i had not heard anyone do before. as such, i assumed that i was missing something and wanted to educate myself and others. because if calling it coronavirus does harm in some small way, i don't want to be using that term