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Re: Cowley : Ime Udoka HC Frontrunner for Bulls 

Post#21 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 7, 2020 9:25 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Exciting news. He’s a player development guy from the sounds of it. He had a hand in bringing Kawhi along. Can’t be sure of the Xs and Os until we roll him out there, but this seems like a great hire on paper.

That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what pushed him ahead of Griffin. The Eversley relationship matters I’m sure, but AK and Griffin aren’t exactly strangers.


That Kawhi connection has me thinking Okoro in the draft.

Makes total sense Evs has him locked in since they worked closely in PHI.
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Post#22 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Sun Jun 7, 2020 11:36 pm

Chi town wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Exciting news. He’s a player development guy from the sounds of it. He had a hand in bringing Kawhi along. Can’t be sure of the Xs and Os until we roll him out there, but this seems like a great hire on paper.

That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what pushed him ahead of Griffin. The Eversley relationship matters I’m sure, but AK and Griffin aren’t exactly strangers.


That Kawhi connection has me thinking Okoro in the draft.

Makes total sense Evs has him locked in since they worked closely in PHI.


Wouldn't surprise me at all.

The quotes I've read from Eversley and Udoka over the years suggest a strong preference for tough, two-way players. So does Philly's roster.
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Post#23 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Jun 7, 2020 11:48 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
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P.C. wrote:That dude is like a better looking version of Jason Momoa.


In any case or approach, he looks much better than JimBo....


That's very subjective.


Not really.
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Post#24 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Jun 7, 2020 11:49 pm

dice wrote:boy, looks like management is tired of being criticized on diversity hiring


Good.
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Post#25 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Mon Jun 8, 2020 12:47 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what pushed him ahead of Griffin. The Eversley relationship matters I’m sure, but AK and Griffin aren’t exactly strangers.

Could be the GM-coach relationship is a very close one in the FO architecture, and AK will allow Eversley a lot of input and leeway on the decision?
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Post#26 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Mon Jun 8, 2020 12:59 am

Friend_Of_Haley wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what pushed him ahead of Griffin. The Eversley relationship matters I’m sure, but AK and Griffin aren’t exactly strangers.

Could be the GM-coach relationship is a very close one in the FO architecture, and AK will allow Eversley a lot of input and leeway on the decision?


Very possible. That's a good way of thinking about it.
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Post#27 » by Chi town » Mon Jun 8, 2020 1:03 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
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AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what pushed him ahead of Griffin. The Eversley relationship matters I’m sure, but AK and Griffin aren’t exactly strangers.

Could be the GM-coach relationship is a very close one in the FO architecture, and AK will allow Eversley a lot of input and leeway on the decision?


Very possible. That's a good way of thinking about it.


That’s the way I’ve been thinking about it too.
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Post#28 » by Chi town » Mon Jun 8, 2020 1:04 am

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dice wrote:boy, looks like management is tired of being criticized on diversity hiring


Good.


It’s is good but I don’t think it’s true. I think Evs and Udoka would be the best fits for AK’s vision. Namely players first.
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Post#29 » by Chi town » Mon Jun 8, 2020 1:04 am

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Chi town wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Exciting news. He’s a player development guy from the sounds of it. He had a hand in bringing Kawhi along. Can’t be sure of the Xs and Os until we roll him out there, but this seems like a great hire on paper.

That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what pushed him ahead of Griffin. The Eversley relationship matters I’m sure, but AK and Griffin aren’t exactly strangers.


That Kawhi connection has me thinking Okoro in the draft.

Makes total sense Evs has him locked in since they worked closely in PHI.


Wouldn't surprise me at all.

The quotes I've read from Eversley and Udoka over the years suggest a strong preference for tough, two-way players. So does Philly's roster.


Yep.
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Post#30 » by aramada » Mon Jun 8, 2020 2:44 am

The article says the new FO wants to treat Boylen fairly because Bulls have bad rep with NBA coaches, yet it talks about his replacement with Boylen still in place, and with no proper process... seems far fetched to me
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Post#31 » by Dez » Mon Jun 8, 2020 4:24 am

aramada wrote:The article says the new FO wants to treat Boylen fairly because Bulls have bad rep with NBA coaches, yet it talks about his replacement with Boylen still in place, and with no proper process... seems far fetched to me


By fairly I would say they mean they are going to meet him face to face which they hadn't been able to do up until now and discuss things rather than fire him first.

We might not like the man as a coach and he should be fired but you still need to go about theses things professionally which is what it seems like is happening.
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Post#32 » by jc23 » Mon Jun 8, 2020 7:48 am

StunnerKO wrote:He gonna bring fine ass Nia Long to games


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All I knew about him was Nia Long lol. I want to say she told a story about how devastated he was after game 6 of the 2013 finals.
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Post#33 » by TheFinishSniper » Mon Jun 8, 2020 10:57 am

Chi town wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
Chi town wrote:
That Kawhi connection has me thinking Okoro in the draft.

Makes total sense Evs has him locked in since they worked closely in PHI.


Wouldn't surprise me at all.

The quotes I've read from Eversley and Udoka over the years suggest a strong preference for tough, two-way players. So does Philly's roster.


Yep.

Pax's fetish when he started GM career. Too bad ceiling of those teams and prospects is at best 2nd round exit. I really hope AK can distinguish those kind of prospects and talent of those teams with finding rare gems between them.
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Post#34 » by coldfish » Mon Jun 8, 2020 12:41 pm

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Chi town wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me at all.

The quotes I've read from Eversley and Udoka over the years suggest a strong preference for tough, two-way players. So does Philly's roster.


Yep.

Pax's fetish when he started GM career. Too bad ceiling of those teams and prospects is at best 2nd round exit. I really hope AK can distinguish those kind of prospects and talent of those teams with finding rare gems between them.


Pax always liked specialists. Ben Gordon scores, Ben Wallace / Chandler plays defense, Korver shoots, Duhon brings the ball up, Boozer posts, etc. It was one of the biggest failings of his tenure, IMHO. Luol Deng and Butler might have been the only two way players that he had.

Toronto is an example of a team that likes two way players and they have done fine with it. You still need a star level player or two to be truly competitive regardless but having two way players is a good thing.

Pretty much everyone currently on the roster is in trouble by this criteria. All of them have significant concerns on one side of the court (Wendell - offense, Lauri - defense, Coby - defense, Lavine - defense). Its actually a pretty good example of how building a team of non-two way players frequently fails. There are too many holes to fill.
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Post#35 » by dougthonus » Mon Jun 8, 2020 12:55 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:The quotes I've read from Eversley and Udoka over the years suggest a strong preference for tough, two-way players. So does Philly's roster.


Everyone would like those, so it isn't saying much. Philly's actual roster construction shows a significant lack of prioritization around balance, shooting, and offense overall.
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Post#36 » by dougthonus » Mon Jun 8, 2020 1:02 pm

Chi town wrote:It’s is good but I don’t think it’s true. I think Evs and Udoka would be the best fits for AK’s vision. Namely players first.


I think diversity is playing some role in their hiring process outside of just picking the best guys in a vacuum. I get the impression they believe diversity will add to their success, so while in a vacuum race doesn't matter, in the organization as a whole, diversity absolutely matters. Ie, if you have two equal candidates in a vacuum but one adds to your cultural diversity as a whole, that one will help you more.
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Post#37 » by Red8911 » Mon Jun 8, 2020 1:41 pm

dice wrote:boy, looks like management is tired of being criticized on diversity hiring

Yup it’s looking obvious with what kind of coach they want to hire.
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Post#38 » by BigUps » Mon Jun 8, 2020 2:23 pm

Nearly a year ago to the day he moved to Philly.

Read on Twitter


I really like Udoka. I love that he played in the league as a role player, learned under Pop for 7 years, is linked to developing Kawhi's game while he was in San Antonio and has a year under his belt with the Sixers and Eversley.

I like him. From what I've read and watched he likes hard nosed defense, max effort and smart offensive schemes. Sounds good to me! I think he's the guy over Griffin. Get it done!
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Post#39 » by bullsnewdynasty » Mon Jun 8, 2020 2:57 pm

Boylen is gone, it just looks really bad to fire a guy during the middle of a pandemic when there's no games going on and it's not the offseason yet.

I have no idea if Udoka is good, hopefully he is, but I wouldn't take the Pop thing too far. Boylen worked for Pop too, that didn't make him a good coach. David Fizdale had a similar profile and was a really bad coach.

I also really don't like the idea of having "frontrunner" for a position that isn't even open yet and not a single interview has been scheduled or conducted.
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Post#40 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Mon Jun 8, 2020 3:28 pm

Chi town wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Exciting news. He’s a player development guy from the sounds of it. He had a hand in bringing Kawhi along. Can’t be sure of the Xs and Os until we roll him out there, but this seems like a great hire on paper.

That said, I’m looking forward to hearing what pushed him ahead of Griffin. The Eversley relationship matters I’m sure, but AK and Griffin aren’t exactly strangers.


That Kawhi connection has me thinking Okoro in the draft.

Makes total sense Evs has him locked in since they worked closely in PHI.


Isnt Okoro awful 3pt shooter? He is athletic and good on D, but shooting is really bad. Most of the points he made were close to the rim and layups I heard.

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