Lavine is....

[BigJimFinn]

I'm somewhere between 2/3. He's a #2 on a good team, but not a championship team as those often have 2+ superstars.

I see starting guards on contending teams like Eric Bledsoe and Russell Westbrook play with much worse IQ than Lavine, and their teams still win.

When teams with title aspirations like the Lakers and Brooklyn want to trade for Lavine, the problem probably isn't the player.

Coincidentally, neither of those "contending" teams is really contending to win a title, or even a conference title, and in both cases that guy is messing up their offense. Their lack of shooting is a bigger reason than lack of IQ, but those guys are really not a proof you can WIN with flawed guards. The stuff between the ears is the difference between a Danny Green career and a Dion Waiters career.

[TheJordanRule]

I am noticing a trend. Our board gets sick of the flaws of our own players because we see them up close and often. This is the reason why so many people supported the idea of trading Jimmy for three high potential talents. One reason for trading Jimmy that a lot of people brought up was because he was a "decent second banana", but he wasn't one of the elite franchise players. And, while that appeared to be true at the time, I don't believe it's a particularly brilliant strategy to jettison flawed players unless you're getting better production back. This franchise has been plagued by the mentality of letting assets go for next to nothing (Niko, arguably Jimmy) or literally nothing in the case of Kyle Korver and Rose. By that logic, anyone who is not a franchise player can just be moved from the roster in the hopes of pipedreams that a good team magically comes together on its own in the face of grass is greener trades or outright roster dumps. I don't believe in justifying this defeatist mentality. I hope you don't either. To me, it's unconscionable that there are two times now that we let our best sixth man (at worst) just walk off the roster without getting anything out of it. Asset collection matters. It's hard to make consolidation trades if you don't have anything to consolidate.

I guess this is my long-winded way of saying that, when it comes to trading Lavine-- our best offensive player who also happens to still be pretty young at a time when the league is experiencing a dearth of good shooting guards-- my best guess is that we're better off keeping him. Even championship rosters do not require a team full of perfect players and we are far from a championship roster. Our goals should be more immediate. We need to focus on creating a team that can get into the playoffs first. I can see Lavine being a key contributor to a playoff-level roster team.

[wonderboy2]

Dude put up 25 points per game very efficiently while playing with a bum in the backcourt most of the season. He faced double and even triple teams all season while being guarded by other teams best defender. He’s a second option on offense at worst.

[MrSparkle]

I’m never “low” on scoring talent. Hell I loved Jamal Crawford and thought letting Gordon go was a mistake.

But there are guys who just genuinely make a team offense turn into dead-motion, and Zach is that. I’d argue Jimmy kinda did it too in 15-17, but (A) his defense and intangibles alone made him a 40mpg winning player and (B) he had jack **** to pass to after Gasol, Dunleavy and Rose left or got hurt.

I’ve been wondering about moving Zach out the back-court, and making him play more as a forward. SGs kind of split duty bringing the ball up; SFs more-so are at the front of the pack. Of course it depends on the team, but I’m not opposed to trying it alongside Coby if we draft a real PG-creator (not Sato or Dunn).

[ChettheJet]

The choices are too narrow but I picked #2,

He's not untouchable but if they trade him it better not be just to get rid of him like 90% of the deals that get posted. If another team thinks he's a missing piece they've got to be prepared to make the Bulls better than they are now. He's the best scorer on a poor scoring team, he's not overpriced but if someone makes the right offer of players, picks now and next year then he can be traded.

[TheGOATRises007]

3 probably.

Maybe 2, but it seems far-fetched.

Lavine would likely play better than Westbrook is playing at the moment for the Rockets, but Westbrook isn't really a good 2nd option either anymore.

[Ccwatercraft]

I defaulted to #2, was surprised to see my opinion was a popular one.

[League Circles]

He's a 2nd option scoring wise who needs to be your 4th best player.

Easiest way to fit him in would be as an elite 6th man who you probably do include in your closing lineup when teams mostly go small.

EXACTLY.

[NZB2323]

I don't think his trade value is super high, I think he might be an all-star one day, but I'd say he's a hard worker and a gifted scorer but not a well-rounded player. I could vote for 2, 3, 5, or 6.

[waffle]

I refuse to vote

I don't see what he is

Useful gunner on a good team. All star? Nah but HUGELY useful if used right

The question for me is - on a good team - can he meld. I don't know that answer

[R3AL1TY]

He can be option 1-3 depending on the roster and depending on how much he improves. With better coaching and with another reliable scorer, I see no reason to trade him unless he becomes too expensive.

[Adriano]

If we had a superstar like Giannis, I think Lavine would be a perfect #2 guy and an all star.
That said, I dont think we can rely on him to be our best player and go-to guy if we want to be a champioship contender team.

[d boy gentleman]

The one thing that I would like for LaVine to develop more of a midrange game, in particular a fadeaway jumper a la Kobe and MJ. He has the ability to develop one and be deadly with it.

[netduri2]

I mean if you have to find a real go-to-guy and pair with Zach in order to  maximize his potential what's the point keeping Zach?

We need a true 1st option, a real playmaker to make the playoff runs no matter we have Zach or not because Zach is not the guy.

The only way the Bulls can get a potential great player is via draft. And that's why we should focus on gathering assets by trading current players for future draft picks. I don't mind the return is low 1st round pick. Just grab as many future assets as possible and let AK draft. Remeber Joker was drafted in the 2nd round of the draft.

If Zach doesn't agree to a bargain extension deal near 20M~23M per year I would trade him for future assets.

[Just_Bullz]

He is our number 1 unless Mr White steps up in a couple of season and takes over. Next season will be a litmus test on how the latter can truly gel with Lavine.

Lavine and White are our one-two punch like it or not and this is how things will roll.

We need that 3rd piece to complete the puzzle.

[Adriano]

He is our number 1 unless Mr White steps up in a couple of season and takes over. Next season will be a litmus test on how the latter can truly gel with Lavine.

Lavine and White are our one-two punch like it or not and this is how things will roll.

We need that 3rd piece to complete the puzzle.

With your point I think its safe to say that Lauri is the missing piece of the puzzle...

[Rose2Boozer]

This team is pretty much Lavine and a bunch of X-Factor or too young and inexperienced to determine types. The rotation needs another guy who can be penciled in for 18-25 ppg. The young guys on the roster will more than likely not develop into that kind of producer. The Knicks are trying to give Julius Randle away. Just saying.

[Just_Bullz]

He is our number 1 unless Mr White steps up in a couple of season and takes over. Next season will be a litmus test on how the latter can truly gel with Lavine.

Lavine and White are our one-two punch like it or not and this is how things will roll.

We need that 3rd piece to complete the puzzle.

With your point I think its safe to say that Lauri is the missing piece of the puzzle...

I'm not too warm to the idea of Lauri ever since he starts having his injuries etc. I remembered something like a back issue. Too young for kids like him to develop such problem. Especially for tall players.

[Just_Bullz]

This team is pretty much Lavine and a bunch of X-Factor or too young and inexperienced to determine types. The rotation needs another guy who can be penciled in for 18-25 ppg. The young guys on the roster will more than likely not develop into that kind of producer. The Knicks are trying to give Julius Randle away. Just saying.

The 18-25 ppg will be Mr White in due time. Hence I feel it shouldn't be an issue.

[drosereturn]

I’m never “low” on scoring talent. Hell I loved Jamal Crawford and thought letting Gordon go was a mistake.

But there are guys who just genuinely make a team offense turn into dead-motion, and Zach is that. I’d argue Jimmy kinda did it too in 15-17, but (A) his defense and intangibles alone made him a 40mpg winning player and (B) he had jack **** to pass to after Gasol, Dunleavy and Rose left or got hurt.

I’ve been wondering about moving Zach out the back-court, and making him play more as a forward. SGs kind of split duty bringing the ball up; SFs more-so are at the front of the pack. Of course it depends on the team, but I’m not opposed to trying it alongside Coby if we draft a real PG-creator (not Sato or Dunn).

this is the only solution Lavine becoming the core bc he is a terrible creator. bring him at forward which he did play minutes.
But it might be even harder than being a number 1 option bc his brain thinks he is a superstar he is allergic to accepting a lesser role and become klay thompson. i wish if i was the gm i could force him to watch KT clips and master it until he signs his next contract.
he doesnt have intelligence someone needs to force feed him. im just really surprised he cant figure himself out and internet guys have a better idea. at least westbrook and bledsoe knows how to use their athleticism although they were too dumb dumb.