Way too early NBA draft thread 2021

Kurt Heimlich · Post #21 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:38 am

I voted Suggs a few days before tonight game and I think that vote only gained value after tonight. Right now from my limited tape Cade and Suggs are a Zion/Ja obvious 1/2 type pick. Of course that is still really early. But those are my top two with relative ease as of 12/23/20.

PlayerUp · Post #22 » by **PlayerUp** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:03 am

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Kuminga
5. Mobley

Kukoc-Lauri · Post #23 » by **Kukoc-Lauri** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:33 pm

1. Tier Cade Cunningham 2.Tier Jaylen Green,Jalen Suggs,Evan Mobley 3.Tier Jonathan Kumminga,Scottie Barnes,Z.Williams,B.Boston,J.Johnson,K.Johnson worth risk U.Garuba,G.Brown,J.Bouknight,C.Love.

PlayerUp · Post #24 » by **PlayerUp** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:36 pm

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:1. Tier Cade Cunningham 2.Tier Jaylen Green,Jalen Suggs,Evan Mobley 3.Tier Jonathan Kumminga,Scottie Barnes,Z.Williams,B.Boston,J.Johnson,K.Johnson worth risk U.Garuba,G.Brown,J.Bouknight,C.Love.

I don't know how you can say this. These 2 above haven't even played. Give them a chance before you put them in a tier list.

You put Kuminga in the same tier as Love. Love is absolute trash.

1. Cade
2. Green (TBD)
3. Suggs
4. Kuminga (TBD)
5. Mobley

Here is your tier list right now. After these top 5, the draft drops off significantly.

AK likes taking high reward players so that should narrow the list down significantly who we likely target.

Leslie Forman · Post #25 » by **Leslie Forman** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:39 pm

I feel like the official 2021 draft thread should probably start with a post that isn't suggesting Wendell Carter at the 3…

Kukoc-Lauri · Post #26 » by **Kukoc-Lauri** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:14 pm

No i havent, those last 4 i listed as honorable mention, athletes with upside. Kumminga is athlethic freak but stil raw. I watched Jaylen Green in Fiba u-18 two years ago so as Cade, imo better competition than playing against Luka Garza and Korey Kispert.

VolumePoster · Post #27 » by **VolumePoster** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 pm

It's of course difficult to rank the prospects, but on first impression, it's a seriously talented draft. Green is as electric an athlete at the guard spot as I remember. Kuminga is an even better athlete than the very impressive Pat Williams. Both Cade and Suggs have a chance to be excellent point guards...just a lot of high end talent. I haven't love Mobley thus far, but I'll need to dig a little deeper.

Does anyone have a read on the international prospects?

PlayerUp · Post #28 » by **PlayerUp** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:40 pm

VolumePoster wrote:Does anyone have a read on the international prospects?

Don't see any lottery talent international prospects this draft. There are some potential international bigman later in the draft though and you know AK loves taking international bigman. Think 1st international prospect goes #20-#30 but it's still early. The ones that did look potentially promising are struggling in the Euro League. Reason I bring up AK and international bigman is I think that's the route he should go with fixing our current bigman issue if Lauri walks and Wendell turns out a bust. Hopefully we find a bigman gem versus wasting anymore lottery picks on bigman.

Kukoc-Lauri · Post #29 » by **Kukoc-Lauri** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:00 am

Usman Garuba is in reality player we wanted Carter to be. Garuba playing as 18 yo in Real (former Doncic and Campazzo club) against high level competition. He guarded Mirotic, ex Nba player Brandon Davies, Luis Scola,Greg Moonroe verry good. He is like more grounded and bigger Adebayo in a way. Prkacin is elite slasher and dunker for European player, but his shoot is iffy at the moment, he is two years away to be real Nba player. Ibu Balde huge center from Barca is like Azubukie, maybe srp stash option. Brothet of Mo Wagner, Franz is like better Zipser. I dont know if Boris Tisma Criatian sf from Real 18 yo would check for next years draft but he is verry similar to Stojakovic and Turkoglu, little bit slow but tall,can handle and sharpshooter. Lithuanian pg Rokas Jokubaitas from Zalgiris is verry similar to Goran Dragic. Imo worth second round flier.

PlayerUp · Post #30 » by **PlayerUp** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:31 am

Kukoc-Lauri wrote:Usman Garuba is in reality player we wanted Carter to be. Garuba playing as 18 yo in Real (former Doncic and Campazzo club) against high level competition. He guarded Mirotic, ex Nba player Brandon Davies, Luis Scola,Greg Moonroe verry good. He is like more grounded and bigger Adebayo in a way. Prkacin is elite slasher and dunker for European player, but his shoot is iffy at the moment, he is two years away to be real Nba player. Ibu Balde huge center from Barca is like Azubukie, maybe srp stash option. Brothet of Mo Wagner, Franz is like better Zipser. I dont know if Boris Tisma Criatian sf from Real 18 yo would check for next years draft but he is verry similar to Stojakovic and Turkoglu, little bit slow but tall,can handle and sharpshooter. Lithuanian pg Rokas Jokubaitas from Zalgiris is verry similar to Goran Dragic. Imo worth second round flier.

Usman Garuba is no where near the level of Wendell Carter right now.

He is extremely raw and it's hard to engage if he'll be anything signficant in the NBA. In the ACB he averaged 18 MPG, 4 PPG on 42% FG. Pretty poor stats.

Nothing worth gambling on with our 1st Rd Pick.

StunnerKO · Post #31 » by **StunnerKO** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:56 am

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d boy gentleman · Post #32 » by **d boy gentleman** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:20 am

TheSuzerain wrote:We need to tank hard for a top pick and then trade for a second pick with which to take Keon Johnson.

Definitely need to take any dumb/lazy players off our board. We've seen how tough it is to play with those guys. Jalen Green is kind of a mindless scorer, no? Maybe stay away from that one. Don't touch the Kentucky guys either.

Suggs or Cade are the dream. Both heady players. Mobley the other top prospect right now.

Anti tanking rules, but sure...and end up with the 5th pick for the fruits of our tanking

TheSuzerain · Post #33 » by **TheSuzerain** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:36 am

d boy gentleman wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:We need to tank hard for a top pick and then trade for a second pick with which to take Keon Johnson.

Definitely need to take any dumb/lazy players off our board. We've seen how tough it is to play with those guys. Jalen Green is kind of a mindless scorer, no? Maybe stay away from that one. Don't touch the Kentucky guys either.

Suggs or Cade are the dream. Both heady players. Mobley the other top prospect right now.

Anti tanking rules, but sure...and end up with the 5th pick for the fruits of our tanking

5th pick is a pretty good result. You're pleased with Patrick Williams, yes?

d boy gentleman · Post #34 » by **d boy gentleman** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:41 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:We need to tank hard for a top pick and then trade for a second pick with which to take Keon Johnson.

Definitely need to take any dumb/lazy players off our board. We've seen how tough it is to play with those guys. Jalen Green is kind of a mindless scorer, no? Maybe stay away from that one. Don't touch the Kentucky guys either.

Suggs or Cade are the dream. Both heady players. Mobley the other top prospect right now.

Anti tanking rules, but sure...and end up with the 5th pick for the fruits of our tanking

5th pick is a pretty good result. You're pleased with Patrick Williams, yes?

Not as a result of tanking. Bulls had the 7th worst record and leapfrogged some teams including the Knicks and Cavaliers who had worse records than the Bulls. If you're going to tank, it to get a top 3 pick, not the 5th pick. Once again, tanking doesn't make sense when t

Southpaw · Post #35 » by **Southpaw** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:31 am

Are there no. 1 scoring options on a championship team level prospects in this draft?

Kukoc-Lauri · Post #36 » by **Kukoc-Lauri** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:20 am

Well Garuba playing 20 minutes for Real at 18 yo say something. People continue underestimate Euroleague. If current Bulls play against Real in 7 game series, i would probably go with Madrid in six.

pipfan · Post #37 » by **pipfan** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:47 am

This is why you trade Lavine now, and other vets. We could REALLY be something with this lineup

White
Cade
Williams
Lauri
Gafford

Plus assets for Lavine and other guys, and tons of cap space to eat bad deals/get more picks. I like all the top 5 prospects at this point. White would be fine playing with Cade or Suggs in the backcourt.

CjayC · Post #38 » by **CjayC** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:58 am

Southpaw wrote:Are there no. 1 scoring options on a championship team level prospects in this draft?

Cunningham projects to be a triple double type of threat. Jalen Green is an explosive above the rim shooting guard almost in the model of a Lavine or a Kobe typel. Jalen Suggs is an athletic point who can get anywhere he wants on the floor and shoots the lights out. Not to mention Evan Mobley whose pretty much the model definition of what you want from a modern big.

wolffy · Post #39 » by **wolffy** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:46 pm

Lol were gonna have to tank again, aren't we?

Southpaw · Post #40 » by **Southpaw** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:57 pm

CjayC wrote:
Southpaw wrote:Are there no. 1 scoring options on a championship team level prospects in this draft?

Cunningham projects to be a triple double type of threat. Jalen Green is an explosive above the rim shooting guard almost in the model of a Lavine or a Kobe typel. Jalen Suggs is an athletic point who can get anywhere he wants on the floor and shoots the lights out. Not to mention Evan Mobley whose pretty much the model definition of what you want from a modern big.

Thanks man! Sounds like a good time to be a bad teamand get a top draft pick. 2022 draft is the Emoni Bates draft / possibly double draft right? This is why I'm pro tanking because it seems like the next 2 drafts are loaded with talent with 2021 full of perimeter players and 2022 full of bigs.

If we manage to get 3rd pick who do you draft?