Lets talk Zach Lavine

[FranchisePlayer]

This will be a long season here in the forum if people start a trade thread every gd game.

Lavine sucked in this one, move on and get more data.

[DroseReturnChi]

Which teams would be realistic targets? He definitely has some good trade value IMO. Like it or not, the bulls need to acquire some really good players through drafts or hope some superstars want to team up here.

Knicks for both Dallas picks, Quick
Hornets for Ball
Pelicans for Ball, 2021 pick
Any contender that has 3 mid round picks.

[cool007]

IMO, not a good question.

I really think we need to start over with Zach and Pat Will and maybe Coby (if we are going to use him off the bench).
Everyone else can go. Let's start with getting a playmaking point guard and a big man who can shoot and defend/versatile.

[erlim]

If we can get some sort of unprotected pick for Zach somehow, I would be beside myself and we really should do it. I think his value around the league is more like a second rounder though. If we could trade him for some expiring contracts that would also be worthwhile, but I don’t think he has the value around the league.

[nomorezorro]

i don't understand this perception that so many people on this board have about deciding when to trade a player.

you trade a player if you think the value he commands in a trade outweighs his likely future value to the team. you don't start a to-do list and go "alright, it's official, zach lavine must be traded now!" and plow forward regardless of what you can get back.

[Cabbage bulls]

If we can get some sort of unprotected pick for Zach somehow, I would be beside myself and we really should do it. I think his value around the league is more like a second rounder though. If we could trade him for some expiring contracts that would also be worthwhile, but I don’t think he has the value around the league.

This is ridiculous. LaVine is easily worth more than a 2nd rounder. 2nd round picks are almost worthless.

[Stratmaster]

For the right deal you trade anyone on this roster.

Before we talk about trading Zach for draft picks though, I would like to ask 2 questions.

1. Where would you rank Zach in Bulls history, just as far as being an elite scorer?

2. What is the most important skill in NBA basketball?


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[Stratmaster]

i don't understand this perception that so many people on this board have about deciding when to trade a player.

you trade a player if you think the value he commands in a trade outweighs his likely future value to the team. you don't start a to-do list and go "alright, it's official, zach lavine must be traded now!" and plow forward regardless of what you can get back.

This.

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[ChettheJet]

Look at what the team looks like WITH Zach, and you want to trade him to kick the can down the road until Williams is up for an extension and they still haven't won and then like a true fake fan you'll be saying, should we keep Williams or trade him and rebuild some more?

[ChettheJet]

Look at what the team looks like WITH Zach, and you want to trade him to kick the can down the road until Williams is up for an extension and they still haven't won and then like a true fake fan you'll be saying, should we keep Williams or trade him and rebuild some more?

[PlayerUp]

Look at what the team looks like WITH Zach, and you want to trade him to kick the can down the road until Williams is up for an extension and they still haven't won and then like a true fake fan you'll be saying, should we keep Williams or trade him and rebuild some more?

Lavine will not be a Bull 18 months from now is the difference.

[aramada]

One sure thing is we can’t have Zach and Lauri in the same lineup - it will never work. Zach is the only player with solid trade value so it could be the ultimate tank move, which could make us a better team if a decent PG comes our way.
The problem is Zach could also be the reason we win some games this season...

[coldfish]

I was extremely impressed with Zach during the preseason. He was playing within the offense, taking good shots and moving the ball. On defense, he was being far more of a ball hawk than he has ever been. This was max contract type play.

Last night, he started out playing that way. Unfortunately, the offense bogged down because the team runs it so slowly and several people (Coby and Wendell) seem outright confused. The passes and angles weren't there. When the team started getting blown out, Zach reverted to hero ball and took selfish shots. His defense suffered.

Zach is going to look really good on a good team. The Bulls have to figure out if they are going to be able to create that situation before Lavine's contract is up. If not, they should probably trade him for everything they can get.

At this point, I feel legitimately bad for Zach.

[Rose2Boozer]

I'd keep Lavine and trade guys who aren't good enough to fill their role. The first on my list would probably be WCJ. AK can get whatever he can get and let Lauri and Gafford hold down the five position.

[Butler4thewin]

If we can get some sort of unprotected pick for Zach somehow, I would be beside myself and we really should do it. I think his value around the league is more like a second rounder though. If we could trade him for some expiring contracts that would also be worthwhile, but I don’t think he has the value around the league.

This is ridiculous. LaVine is easily worth more than a 2nd rounder. 2nd round picks are almost worthless.

mods should ban that guy thats just bating

[MisterRoy]

Keep Lavine. Why? I posted this somewhere else but OPJ, Lauri and Felicio to Detroit for Rose and Blake. However, afterast night, let Rose start. Rose > Lavine > PWill > Blake > ??? would be fun to watch. Let Coby be 6th man.


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[TheAlanParsons]

I was extremely impressed with Zach during the preseason. He was playing within the offense, taking good shots and moving the ball. On defense, he was being far more of a ball hawk than he has ever been. This was max contract type play.

Last night, he started out playing that way. Unfortunately, the offense bogged down because the team runs it so slowly and several people (Coby and Wendell) seem outright confused. The passes and angles weren't there. When the team started getting blown out, Zach reverted to hero ball and took selfish shots. His defense suffered.

Zach is going to look really good on a good team. The Bulls have to figure out if they are going to be able to create that situation before Lavine's contract is up. If not, they should probably trade him for everything they can get.

At this point, I feel legitimately bad for Zach.

Zach has never been a max worthy player, or even anything close to it. He was a net (heavily) negative player in Minnesota, and he's a net negative player here in Chicago. The sooner he is off the team the better.

*edit Any front office that hands Zach a max contract is guaranteed to get fired.

[Stratmaster]

I was extremely impressed with Zach during the preseason. He was playing within the offense, taking good shots and moving the ball. On defense, he was being far more of a ball hawk than he has ever been. This was max contract type play.

Last night, he started out playing that way. Unfortunately, the offense bogged down because the team runs it so slowly and several people (Coby and Wendell) seem outright confused. The passes and angles weren't there. When the team started getting blown out, Zach reverted to hero ball and took selfish shots. His defense suffered.

Zach is going to look really good on a good team. The Bulls have to figure out if they are going to be able to create that situation before Lavine's contract is up. If not, they should probably trade him for everything they can get.

At this point, I feel legitimately bad for Zach.

Zach has never been a max worthy player, or even anything close to it. He was a net (heavily) negative player in Minnesota, and he's a net negative player here in Chicago. The sooner he is off the team the better.

*edit Any front office that hands Zach a max contract is guaranteed to get fired.

In all of Bulls history, how many players were a more elite scorer than Lavine, and who are they?

I count 1. I don't think I have to name him.

Who are you going to find who can score at the level Lavine can, and don't you need 2 of those guys to truly compete?

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[sco]

I'm going with Part of the Future.

I would only trade him to bring in a disgruntled young star with #1 potential or a likely top 3 pick who could be that guy.

He has become a relatively efficient high-volume scorer in past year or so and is playing some decent defense. The opportunity cost to keep him seem to make us worse on the premise of tanking (which is now a really bad math move).

Our best use of the guy is to pump his value to make him an allstar and have him network to get some FA's who are decent to want to come here.

I'm done with tanking because there is a hidden flaw. You might draft great guys, but it takes years for young great players to be foundational parts of winning teams. During that time, coaches turn over a lot because FO's are impatient about winning, but turning coaches over sets young guys back a fair bit.

[MisterRoy]

AK already said the team should not be drafting as high as 4 again, so the table has been set. Trading Lavine doesn't work towards that goal. I don't think he is going anywhere.


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