J.Allen & Drummond

[mtron32]

Read my lips:

No more non-shooters.

WCJ and Gafford cant shoot either.. We are looking for defensive and rebounding upgrade, we have more than enough firepower with guards and forwards.
At the moment we have big problems in the paint, no defense, no boxing out, no blocking, bad rebounding..

preach it, I'm sick and tired of people waltzing into the paint like they know they aren't getting touched up.

[MisterRoy]

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[gobullschi]

Read my lips:

No more non-shooters.

Jarett Allen is a positive player for a good team. He doesn't need the ball, he protects the rim, he's mobile, and he rebounds. He's an excellent finishing piece for a team that has found its playmakers and shooters.

Drummond, on the other hand ... I don't know. He's a positive player for a bad team, because he does pound on people inside and rebound so very well. But I think that he requires too much attention and needs the ball too much to be the right fit for a good team. I think he's best at making weaklings more competitive.

The Nets will miss Jarett Allen. Ironically, he's just the type of player that team now needs. It has the old version of DAJ, but he's not really the same thing.

Drummond is a difficult player to evaluate because he’s been on bad teams and has never been a surrounded by shooters.

He’s got really quick hands to get steals, he’s an elite rebounder, has above average passing ability for a center, and can help create a lot of space for guards by setting devastating screens. A lot of his skills compliment the Bulls weaknesses, but traditional centers seem to becoming obsolete and his free throw percentage is going to get him pulled late in games. The Bulls could mitigate this by moving Markkanen to center, but we need to see if he can handle that responsibility.

Also, the contract that he will demand is unclear. Based on what the Cavs gave up to get him, his value doesn’t appear to be as high as some are making it out to be. I’d consider him if he cost under 25M/year.

[detlef_schrempf]

Wendell and Gafford can't shoot anyway. Drummond doesn't need to be a shooter as long as he is playing with a true threat at the 4 (Lauri? - idk)

It's a logical fallacy to say no to Drummond just because there are modern NBA centers who can shoot. We have nobody who can guard those guys or body them down low. There's no indication an awesome modern center is available anyway. Drummond can do that defensively and also be a beast to clean up misses from the 4 other shooters in the lineup.

Billy Donovan can coach whatever's in front of him. Nobody complains about Steven Adams not being a shooter.

[Butler4thewin]

if we really can get a 1st for otto then we need to dl that trade asap .....also i liked the center the nets traded away better wonder if we can get him for wcj and a pair of 2s ? idk drummond would ve good also we definitely need a better c

[HomoSapien]

I'm still on the trade for Drummond bandwagon. The complaint about him is that he isn't always locked in and motivated, and even then he's averaging 18 and 15. I'd much rather have him than Carter, and given Drummond's trade value, I don't think he'll be able to get a huge contract on the open market.

A starting point of LaVine and Drummond isn't exactly Shaq and Kobe, but it gives us two concrete building blocks.

[chefo]

Every time I've watched Drummond play, I've come away impressed. Very few guys in the league can manhandle their peers like Drummond does night in and night out. Dude is legitimately a really good defensive player as well--rotates well, has quick feet and very quick hands.

And, most importantly, you can't just let him be on O because he'll shoot 55-60%+ if left unchecked in the paint.

If you can get him for somebody not in the long-term plans (Say Otto + sweetener), you do it and don't think twice. Talent wins in this league, not just shooting, and this guy is arguably one of the best at his position, on both ends, in the entire NBA. I'm not worried about hurting WCJ's feelings. Not one bit.

[MisterRoy]

C'mon AK. Pull the trigger!!!


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[Butler4thewin]

Every time I've watched Drummond play, I've come away impressed. Very few guys in the league can manhandle their peers like Drummond does night in and night out. Dude is legitimately a really good defensive player as well--rotates well, has quick feet and very quick hands.

And, most importantly, you can't just let him be on O because he'll shoot 55-60%+ if left unchecked in the paint.

If you can get him for somebody not in the long-term plans (Say Otto + sweetener), you do it and don't think twice. Talent wins in this league, not just shooting, and this guy is arguably one of the best at his position, on both ends, in the entire NBA. I'm not worried about hurting WCJ's feelings. Not one bit.

dam u made me want Drummond more now lol

[MisterRoy]

Every time I've watched Drummond play, I've come away impressed. Very few guys in the league can manhandle their peers like Drummond does night in and night out. Dude is legitimately a really good defensive player as well--rotates well, has quick feet and very quick hands.

And, most importantly, you can't just let him be on O because he'll shoot 55-60%+ if left unchecked in the paint.

If you can get him for somebody not in the long-term plans (Say Otto + sweetener), you do it and don't think twice. Talent wins in this league, not just shooting, and this guy is arguably one of the best at his position, on both ends, in the entire NBA. I'm not worried about hurting WCJ's feelings. Not one bit.

dam u made me want Drummond more now lol

It just makes sense!


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[Butler4thewin]

Every time I've watched Drummond play, I've come away impressed. Very few guys in the league can manhandle their peers like Drummond does night in and night out. Dude is legitimately a really good defensive player as well--rotates well, has quick feet and very quick hands.

And, most importantly, you can't just let him be on O because he'll shoot 55-60%+ if left unchecked in the paint.

If you can get him for somebody not in the long-term plans (Say Otto + sweetener), you do it and don't think twice. Talent wins in this league, not just shooting, and this guy is arguably one of the best at his position, on both ends, in the entire NBA. I'm not worried about hurting WCJ's feelings. Not one bit.

dam u made me want Drummond more now lol

It just makes sense!


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ill give them wcj for free at this point i dont want his ass on this team he is trash lets hope this new front office makes a trade for drummond

[MisterRoy]

dam u made me want Drummond more now lol

It just makes sense!


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ill give them wcj for free at this point i dont want his ass on this team he is trash lets hope this new front office makes a trade for drummond

I think we could get a servicable player for WCJ. Someone will want to take a chance on him. Let's not just give him away just yet.


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[Red8911]

Drummond would make a huge difference here along with Zach, that’s exactly what the bulls need another star level player!

Cleveland does have way too many centers on that roster right now. Wonder what Cleveland would want for him though IF they were to trade him? Would Otto and a 2nd round pick be enough? Would Carter have to be involved as well? Problem with Carter is they already have centers they won’t need one in return, I’m guessing they stick with Allen .

On signing Drummond long term Idk he’s very good but at the same time it’s risky. We know that the big men who rely mostly on athleticism usually don’t last long once they hit 30 or even before. the Bulls though should still go for him, they have to hunt for any talent like that.

[nomorezorro]

i'm tempted by drummond just because i do think he's better than his value around the league would indicate. but a Traditional Center who takes 13+ shots a game on below-league-average efficiency...i dunno about that

wendell is averaging 17/10 per 36 this year on way better efficiency than drummond has managed since 2015, and everyone here hates wendell's offensive game. are we really gonna pay up just to get an extra 3 points and 5 rebounds or whatever out of our starting center?

[WindyCityBorn]

You can win big with a high energy bum at center. No thanks on paying Drummond 20+ million.

[Markksman_24]

It just makes sense!


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ill give them wcj for free at this point i dont want his ass on this team he is trash lets hope this new front office makes a trade for drummond

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Actually, I've been several times.

[TheStig]

Every time I've watched Drummond play, I've come away impressed. Very few guys in the league can manhandle their peers like Drummond does night in and night out. Dude is legitimately a really good defensive player as well--rotates well, has quick feet and very quick hands.

And, most importantly, you can't just let him be on O because he'll shoot 55-60%+ if left unchecked in the paint.

If you can get him for somebody not in the long-term plans (Say Otto + sweetener), you do it and don't think twice. Talent wins in this league, not just shooting, and this guy is arguably one of the best at his position, on both ends, in the entire NBA. I'm not worried about hurting WCJ's feelings. Not one bit.

dam u made me want Drummond more now lol

But do you want to give him 25-30 mill a year? You're capped into a team of Coby, Zach, Pwill, Lauri and Drummond. I'd rather rebuild than see that first round team for the next 3 years.

[d boy gentleman]

Like runningbacks, spending big on a true center who is anything less than one of the GOATs is a waste of money.

He'd be a rental as his deal is expiring. Otto's expiring for Andre's expiring deal wouldn't necessarily hurt the team cap wise.

[Onibuh]

I wouldn't start to think about bringing him back offering that trade... Just swap the players and help the current team to improve.

[Andi Obst]

Drummond is okay on offense, probably a little less than that, and solid but extremely limited on defense. I know people love their counting stats, but he's not the huge upgrade over WCJ people think he is. Considering him as a "building block" for the future is just wild to me. Just let someone else overpay him, please.