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Re: Coby White discussion thread 

Post#21 » by dougthonus » Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:22 pm

coldfish wrote:Edit add, as a spot up shooter:
Coby 1.06ppp
Caruso 1.11ppp


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Coby is still a young player and shooting is something that generally improves, usually by a pretty good amount, over time. I'd expect Coby to become a pretty good shooter. He's also a pretty high motor guy and so I think he can be an effort defender too. He can clearly get his shot off a ton more than Caruso whom has an embarrassingly low attempt rate which is also why he's likely efficient. It's like saying Chris Duhon or Keith Bogans were efficient when they would only shoot twice a game but could get decent percentages.

In terms of what Coby can be, it's hard to say. His ball handling sucks, for a guard he brings hte ball up way too high and is way to sloppy which is why he gets stripped a lot. He isn't athletic enough to be a great driver and isn't a big enough leaper or creative enough finisher to get much going at the rim as a primary attacker.

That said, he clearly can do all of those things a some level, just not a great one, and while his passing is not lead PG material at this point (and likely never will be), he has at least some ability there, especially as a combo guard.

He needs to improve to be a valuable bench combo guard, but not by leaps and bounds, he has a lot of the skills in place already and just needs to make iterative improvements, many of which are the type of things that will improve with age (strength, defensive awareness, shooting, and bbiq). He's got the basics to be a decent bench offense guy for a team down the road.

I still agree that it probably won't be here, because he's not the type of guy you want to break the bank for, and we may need to go into the tax to keep him which seems unlikely. That said, I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility that he takes a bigger step forward over the next two seasons and becomes someone much more valuable. Not overly likely to me, but still in the realm of possibility.
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Re: Coby White discussion thread 

Post#22 » by bad knees » Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:34 pm

We tried him at PG, and it did not work. He'll probably improve at PG over time, but for now he's a SG. Seems like a valuable player given his shooting, playmaking and effort. Not elite, or even good right now, but certainly a player who is valuable. I bet the Bulls find a way to keep him on his next contract.
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Re: Coby White discussion thread 

Post#23 » by Mk0 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:40 pm

As was prophesized
Goodbye Lauri threads
Hello Coby threads
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EDIT: Damn I really missed an opportunity for a haiku here
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Post#24 » by meekrab » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:23 pm

bad knees wrote:We tried him at PG, and it did not work. He'll probably improve at PG over time, but for now he's a SG. Seems like a valuable player given his shooting, playmaking and effort. Not elite, or even good right now, but certainly a player who is valuable. I bet the Bulls find a way to keep him on his next contract.

Last year he got thrown in the deep end to see if he could swim, and the answer was he doggy paddled back to the edge of the pool. A reduced role with vastly more talent around him should give him an opportunity to refine what he learned and hone the skills he is good at.
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Post#25 » by IamSam » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:28 pm

Mk0 wrote:As was prophesized
Goodbye Lauri threads
Hello Coby threads
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EDIT: Damn I really missed an opportunity for a haiku here



Yep... Wendell Carter is gone, Lauri is gone, so we are down to our last #7 pick. :lol:
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Re: Coby White discussion thread 

Post#26 » by Mk0 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:34 pm

IamSam wrote:
Mk0 wrote:As was prophesized
Goodbye Lauri threads
Hello Coby threads
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EDIT: Damn I really missed an opportunity for a haiku here



Yep... Wendell Carter is gone, Lauri is gone, so we are down to our last #7 pick. :lol:

And then maybe we will start a thread about the guy currently wearing #7 and we will have completed the circle!

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Post#27 » by madvillian » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:00 pm

Mk0 wrote:As was prophesized
Goodbye Lauri threads
Hello Coby threads
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EDIT: Damn I really missed an opportunity for a haiku here


Coby right now:

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dumbell78 wrote:Random comment....Mikal Bridges stroke is dripping right now in summer league. Carry on.


I'll go ahead and make a sig bet that Mikal is better by RPM this year than Zach.
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Re: Coby White discussion thread 

Post#28 » by CaPiTanAK » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:23 am

Accountability starts Day 1. If he doesn’t perform with his mins, he will be shipped out of here.
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Post#29 » by bad knees » Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:40 pm

CaPiTanAK wrote:Accountability starts Day 1. If he doesn’t perform with his mins, he will be shipped out of here.


Well. let's remember that Coby had shoulder surgery a few months ago. He is going to be evaluated four months out from surgery, which is October 10. There are several other players recovering from this surgery, and all reports about them have projected a six month recovery period. Six months for Coby is December 10. So expectations and judgments about Coby are going to have to slow down, unless you want to make judgments based on evaluations of a player still recovering from injury.
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Post#30 » by MrSparkle » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:35 pm

Whatever happens, I'm glad that Coby is gonna have to fight for his minutes. I thought he deserved minutes his first 2 years... cause his competition was a JOKE. Talk about making him play down to competition in practice. They were talking about him cooking in 1-week training camp last year... against who? Sato and Arci?

Once his shoulder heals, he might be surprised to find Ayo pushing him to the limit.
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Post#31 » by Chi town » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:49 pm

Coby once healthy should thrive as a spot up catch and shoot shooter. With great passers and creators on the court with him it should be easy. If he makes his 3s I think he can stick around. If not then I think he gets traded for a vet that will.
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Post#32 » by pipfan » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:08 pm

I like Coby-he seems like a great kid and he works hard. He just SUCKS at D, ball handling and passing. His only saving grace is shooting (not bad on the boards, but that is not too important for us).

Honestly, I like Brown more moving forward. If we could get a 1st for Coby, I'd do it. I just don't see a ton of minutes

Ball-34/Caruso-14
Lavine-34/Caruso-14
Brown, Ayo, DDR and Green can all play in the backcourt too. Depth is great but I don't see more than 15-18 minutes for Coby on a normal night, and that's stretching it. Ball and Lavine are clearly better than him, and I think Caruso is too
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Post#33 » by Dez » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:36 am

pipfan wrote:I like Coby-he seems like a great kid and he works hard. He just SUCKS at D, ball handling and passing. His only saving grace is shooting (not bad on the boards, but that is not too important for us).

Honestly, I like Brown more moving forward. If we could get a 1st for Coby, I'd do it. I just don't see a ton of minutes

Ball-34/Caruso-14
Lavine-34/Caruso-14
Brown, Ayo, DDR and Green can all play in the backcourt too. Depth is great but I don't see more than 15-18 minutes for Coby on a normal night, and that's stretching it. Ball and Lavine are clearly better than him, and I think Caruso is too


Caruso isn't playing 28 minutes, DDR won't play at the 2 and Ayo or Green aren't replacing Coby.

He'll be LaVine's primary backup.
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Post#34 » by Just_Bullz » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:38 am

Coby is in a good situation where he doesn't have to shoulder any of the burden or need to be in the limelight given that we now have Zach, DDR, Vuc and Zo fronting the team.

He should blossom playing off the ball or being a microwave player and c'mon guys, he's still a young pup by NBA standards.
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Post#35 » by The Box Office » Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:22 pm

Enjoy the time now that you have with Coby White. I don't see much with him right now. He truly is a Sixth Man. Before you know it, he's traded. Coby White is weak defensively and doesn't have any on-court savvy. We're definitely NOT giving him BIG money when it's time.

Don't worry, Coby White fans. He's no longer the scape goat since he's coming off the bench now.
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Post#36 » by dabig3 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:13 am

I'll have more thoughts on Coby after seeing what Ayo can do. But if the plan is to try to force him to be a future PG, starting or bench, then I think it's best to just see what we can get for him this next year or two.

Right now I'm just hoping he can come back earlier than anticipated, healthy, and ready to ball with that 2nd unit. Let the kid be a scorer, and just continue to work his defense.
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Re: Coby White discussion thread 

Post#37 » by Leslie Forman » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:18 am

meekrab wrote:Image

Good god this photo makes Wendell look like a real life version of the big head code in NBA Jam.
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Post#38 » by Red8911 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:33 am

I expect Coby to have a good season. The injury he got sucks but he won’t miss much time and once he gets back he should thrive in his new role off the bench.

First he needs to accept being the 6th man and embrace it. Once he is comfortable with that role now that Lauri is gone Coby has to be the main scorer off the bench. Most likely at least one starter will play with him depending on the rotations but he still has an important part to fill. He will now have less pressure and more help to focus on his strengths which is scoring the basketball.

Sure he could be a trade candidate later on but you never know what can happen. If he plays well things can change for him and his future with the bulls. I still believe in his talents so let’s see what he does this season.
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Post#39 » by sco » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:23 pm

dabig3 wrote:I'll have more thoughts on Coby after seeing what Ayo can do. But if the plan is to try to force him to be a future PG, starting or bench, then I think it's best to just see what we can get for him this next year or two.

Right now I'm just hoping he can come back earlier than anticipated, healthy, and ready to ball with that 2nd unit. Let the kid be a scorer, and just continue to work his defense.

100% agree.

IMO, he doesn't have the vision/passing skills to ever be great at PG, but it worth it to find out. His skillset translates well to SG, but he needs to improve on 3pt shooting off the dribble, finishing (via a floater and better layups) at the rim, and defense to be worth keeping. That said, those are things that are "improvable". I'd like to see progress by the deadline, and trade him if he hasn't shown improvement (especially at the rim).
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Post#40 » by CaPiTanAK » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:55 pm

An elite scorer off the bench who can swing the tide of a game +10 pts is a very valuable piece to a championship contending team. His time at pg has pushed him to a new baseline of court vision and passing that might those attributes to be passable at sg. Give him a chance. I hope that Coby takes this new path in strides.

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