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Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams

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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#21 » by Jcool0 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 1:33 am

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Whoever that white guy is in the hat, he's on the mt rushmore of whiny Bulls reporters. He is unlistenable. He just screams nonsense.


You do know your response is whiny right?
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#22 » by Red8911 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 2:18 am

This is a tough one. Tyrus from what i remember at least had a few fun moments, some nice high rising dunks.

Patrick in the other hand is not only disappointing as a player but also boring to watch.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#23 » by Muzbar » Fri Jan 3, 2025 2:37 am

Red8911 wrote:This is a tough one. Tyrus from what i remember at least had a few fun moments, some nice high rising dunks.

Patrick in the other hand is not only disappointing as a player but also boring to watch.

You don't consider Patrick Williams missing dunks fun?
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#24 » by Guru » Fri Jan 3, 2025 3:58 am

Jcool0 wrote:
Guru wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:


Whoever that white guy is in the hat, he's on the mt rushmore of whiny Bulls reporters. He is unlistenable. He just screams nonsense.


You do know your response is whiny right?


Thats not whiny at all.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#25 » by Indomitable » Fri Jan 3, 2025 9:26 am

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Jcool0 wrote:
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Whoever that white guy is in the hat, he's on the mt rushmore of whiny Bulls reporters. He is unlistenable. He just screams nonsense.


You do know your response is whiny right?


Thats not whiny at all.

I just wish we had draft Avedi over Pat. Pat is trash. His limitations are all mental. Crappy rebounding and the king of over switching.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#26 » by Dominator83 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 10:39 am

Patrick the bigger bust. Tyrus had a hell of alot more big games here than Patrick thats for sure. 2009 he was pretty consistently good post ASB. Including playing well and hitting some big shots in the Boston series. I feel like you can count on one hand how many big games Patrick has had in 4 years here.

Also goes to show how much better Gar/pax was in their heyday than AKME. Atleast they realized Tyrus wasn't it, and salvaged a future 1st for him. While AKME chooses to double down instead of admitting a mistake , and locking themselves in an Awful contract for the next 5 years.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#27 » by eierluke » Fri Jan 3, 2025 10:41 am

Tyrus Thomas ands Pat Williams were are exactly what they were expected to be/ to become.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#28 » by Bulldog23 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 2:05 pm

When the Bulls got Pat, I thought he was a small forward that could switch to power forward if needed defensively. Now, he looks heavy. I think he needs to lose weight and be lighter. He needs to be more of a wing. He doesn’t act like power forward.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#29 » by CROBulls » Fri Jan 3, 2025 2:28 pm

Bulldog23 wrote:When the Bulls got Pat, I thought he was a small forward that could switch to power forward if needed defensively. Now, he looks heavy. I think he needs to lose weight and be lighter. He needs to be more of a wing. He doesn’t act like power forward.

He never did. That's the issue. He is stuck as tweener. No skillset to be small forward with ballhandling. No skillset to be power forward. Simply no "power" in his game, including rebounding.

Biggest issue is Bulls resigned worse player on worse contract than let one trade (Lauri). They legit traded 7 footer for Derrick Jones Jr., Dalen Terry and forfeited the 2023 second-rounder for tampering. That's a terrible trade.

Patrick Williams is basically AKME legacy. He is the guy and everything which is wrong about this franchise. 4+ meddling average years of existence, extended and better players get rid.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#30 » by Indomitable » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:06 pm

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Bulldog23 wrote:When the Bulls got Pat, I thought he was a small forward that could switch to power forward if needed defensively. Now, he looks heavy. I think he needs to lose weight and be lighter. He needs to be more of a wing. He doesn’t act like power forward.

He never did. That's the issue. He is stuck as tweener. No skillset to be small forward with ballhandling. No skillset to be power forward. Simply no "power" in his game, including rebounding.

Biggest issue is Bulls resigned worse player on worse contract than let one trade (Lauri). They legit traded 7 footer for Derrick Jones Jr., Dalen Terry and forfeited the 2023 second-rounder for tampering. That's a terrible trade.

Patrick Williams is basically AKME legacy. He is the guy and everything which is wrong about this franchise. 4+ meddling average years of existence, extended and better players get rid.

There are tweener that workout. He lacks IQ and does not have the motor to overcome it.

I was hoping for a Josh Smith type.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#31 » by CROBulls » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:56 pm

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Bulldog23 wrote:When the Bulls got Pat, I thought he was a small forward that could switch to power forward if needed defensively. Now, he looks heavy. I think he needs to lose weight and be lighter. He needs to be more of a wing. He doesn’t act like power forward.

He never did. That's the issue. He is stuck as tweener. No skillset to be small forward with ballhandling. No skillset to be power forward. Simply no "power" in his game, including rebounding.

Biggest issue is Bulls resigned worse player on worse contract than let one trade (Lauri). They legit traded 7 footer for Derrick Jones Jr., Dalen Terry and forfeited the 2023 second-rounder for tampering. That's a terrible trade.

Patrick Williams is basically AKME legacy. He is the guy and everything which is wrong about this franchise. 4+ meddling average years of existence, extended and better players get rid.

There are tweener that workout. He lacks IQ and does not have the motor to overcome it.

I was hoping for a Josh Smith type.

Yes, in past to be a tweener with no decent skillset, you needed to have great motor. At least you needed to have it in past. You didnt even needed to be particulary high IQ guy. Nobody needs to be that in this league where jacking 3's at decent rate is gonna get you playing time (hence see Patrick Williams).

We complained about Patrick Williams motor since end of his rookie deal. We all went about it that he is more introvert, silent type which with his tools and role expansion can be molded to be more energetic player. But you could always tell from his rebounding, from first game he played that there is no high energy motor there.

Lauri on other hand had motor. You could see that during rookie year and somewhat during 3rd year. And yet we traded him and we kept this one and extended him.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#32 » by MissileMike » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:58 pm

We will always have this:
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#33 » by DuckIII » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:15 pm

Thomas. He had so much special talent and we passed on Aldridge to take him. I thought he had the ability to be the best defender in the league. But he was a headcase and busted completely out of the league.

Pat is likewise a disappointment but for different reasons and will still have a long steady NBA career as a 3-D wing at worst.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#34 » by League Circles » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:03 pm

Also, for all intents and purposes Tyrus was the #2 overall draft pick. Yes technically #4 but we'd have taken him at #2 if it wasn't clear we could get another player and pay Tyrus a little less by trading down.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#35 » by MissileMike » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:39 pm

What a terrible draft 2006 was. Brandon Roy was probably the best player, and we know how that turned out. I was never a big LMA fan.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#36 » by Muzbar » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:36 pm

MissileMike wrote:We will always have this:

This is my only fond memory of Tyrus Thomas.

Oh, what could have been...
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#37 » by Jcool0 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 9:21 pm

Guru wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
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Whoever that white guy is in the hat, he's on the mt rushmore of whiny Bulls reporters. He is unlistenable. He just screams nonsense.


You do know your response is whiny right?


Thats not whiny at all.


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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#38 » by MAQ » Fri Jan 3, 2025 11:59 pm

Muzbar wrote:
MissileMike wrote:We will always have this:

This is my only fond memory of Tyrus Thomas.

Oh, what could have been...

As mentioned earlier, Tyrus had some big moments during that Boston series. He was starting to knock down that mid range J with a little consistency. Was still impacting the game with his athleticism. I thought he might put it together.

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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#39 » by HomoSapien » Sat Jan 4, 2025 12:26 am

The one thing I appreciated about Tyrus was that he was exciting. A lot of those blocks and dunks tended to really be momentum changing.
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Re: Tyrus Thomas or Patrick Williams 

Post#40 » by TheGOATRises007 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 12:38 am

Tyrus Thomas being an elite prospect seems like revisionism to me.

When I think of elite prospects, I don't think of him at all.

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