Giddey vs. Ball (vs. White) who do we keep next season?

[kulaz3000]

There are too many variables.

Coby - I'd trade him this season, but it's unlikely to happen. Even though he is having a down season, he is likely one of our better trade assets with his contract. He is still a value player on the contract he is. I really like him, but unless he resigns on a similar contract, I prefer to just let him walk.

Giddey - if we sign him for a contract for more than 25 million per, it would be a mistake. He is a good starter, not a great one. I'd be happy to have him as our starter until we can find a star replacement, hopefully. He has his faults, but most of the players in the league who aren't the superstars have glary holes in their game, that's not some revelation. The question is more so, with his current weaknesses, what is his worth to our team?

Zo - I really really like him, but damn, there is no way I'm trusting him on a long term contract considering his injury history. If we can keep him on a team friendly deal, go for it, but if some team offers him a very player friendly deal, then let him walk and wish him the best of luck.

Honestly, I'm not enamored with ANY of those players, strictly based on basketball. All seems like really good people you'd be glad to build your franchise around, but based on what they bring to your team, none of those players are players you would be happy with as a pivotal part of your franchise. None.

Meaning we have a glut of average to decent guards, but none that are true keepers, at least from my stand point.

[Jcool0]

Giddey - if we sign him for a contract for more than 25 million per, it would be a mistake. He is a good starter, not a great one. I'd be happy to have him as our starter until we can find a star replacement, hopefully. He has his faults, but most of the players in the league who aren't the superstars have glary holes in their game, that's not some revelation. The question is more so, with his current weaknesses, what is his worth to our team?

I think I can live with a 22 year old who puts up 12/7/7 being paid in the top 60 players.

[jnrjr79]

I would just allow Ball to expire and walk during the off season. I like Ball's game, but this team needs frontcourt production. The Bulls have too many low producing frontcourt players. There's no way this team can go forward relying on Vucevic, Smith and not much else.

A re-signed Ball is not likely to have any impact on frontcourt options. Absent other more significant salary-shedding trades, the Bulls are going to be operating with the MLE this offseason.

They're only fifteen roster spots. The Bulls will more than likely have twelve spots under contract, hopefully a first round pick, and a second round pick from the Kings. This organization don't have the luxury of bringing back Lonzo. We already have so many guards, and so many not good enough players holding spots on the roster. Bringing him back would be a waste of his time and the non tax paying Bulls organization. I like Lonzo Ball, but it's time to move on.

This just seems kinda crazy to me. Lonzo Ball's impact is so significant that "should we dedicate a roster spot to him" isn't even a question. Hell, if he'd come back on a cheap deal after being healthy this season (assuming that's how it goes), you'd sign him as a trade chip, if nothing else. Saying you don't have space for him and then keeping Julian Phillips or whoever instead would be terrible asset management.

If he gets a bigger deal, fine, let him walk.

[Dez]

Giddey easily.

Get Coby the f*** out of here.

[sco]

A re-signed Ball is not likely to have any impact on frontcourt options. Absent other more significant salary-shedding trades, the Bulls are going to be operating with the MLE this offseason.

They're only fifteen roster spots. The Bulls will more than likely have twelve spots under contract, hopefully a first round pick, and a second round pick from the Kings. This organization don't have the luxury of bringing back Lonzo. We already have so many guards, and so many not good enough players holding spots on the roster. Bringing him back would be a waste of his time and the non tax paying Bulls organization. I like Lonzo Ball, but it's time to move on.

This just seems kinda crazy to me. Lonzo Ball's impact is so significant that "should we dedicate a roster spot to him" isn't even a question. Hell, if he'd come back on a cheap deal after being healthy this season (assuming that's how it goes), you'd sign him as a trade chip, if nothing else. Saying you don't have space for him and then keeping Julian Phillips or whoever instead would be terrible asset management.

If he gets a bigger deal, fine, let him walk.

I'm with you. It's hard to figure out his market value, which, IMO is so heavily tied to his durability. There's still a half season to go to see how he holds up. At the moment, he's definitely on an upswing and that 3 ball is starting to fall. Our best case is that we keep him averaging less than 24mpg and he goes into the offseason with questions as to whether he's able to shoulder a starter role, which would up his price. At this point, IF he survives the season with no negative lower body injuries, I'd be inclined to offer either a 3 yr MLE deal which is about $15M/yr or a 3 year $60M deal with a team option after the first year and a PO after the 2nd. Honestly, I like a 1-3 line-up of Giddey, Lavine, Ball and then we try to find replacements for Pat and Vuc...maybe Matas and/or Smith step up. Maybe we can get an upgrade trading Coby, Pat, Vuc and POR 1st.

[leo921]

Ball - I like Ball and how he can make everyone better. As we move to younger players he can
def help develop them. If he stays healthy this year I would resign him.
Some options 1yr/20m, 2yr/40m with team option. To me he owes the Bulls so I would keep him at that
rate has a 25 minute a night guy (dont think his body can handle heavy everyday starter mins)

White - I love White but the smart thing would be to explore his value on the trade market right now. For the right
team he would give them 2 playoff runs at a cheap rate. I would only do a trade if we got a very good return for him
otherwise I would keep him. Bulls should be talking to White and his agent and get a sense of does he want to be here
long term and for how much. If its reasonable then move forward with Lavine trade.

Giddy - I would offer Giddy MLE contract and nothing more. Giddy is a solid player but you need a strong shot blocker
and good 3 and D wings to help cover for him. The best thing for him would be to stop playing PG and play at the 3 from
now on. He just can not guard good PGs/SGs they blow past him and really hurt the defense. I can agree that he has
improved his shot and can see him being a solid shooter in the years ahead. The only teams that can offer real money this
year is Nets and Wizards and if they want to pay him big bucks then I would gladly let him walk.

Ayo - I would keep Ayo long term, I can see him being a 2 way PG in the Jrue Holiday mold. I am pretty sure we can
resign him long term without breaking the bank.

Next year I would look to develop the younger guys especially since we own are pick.

Ayo/Ball/Carter
White/THT
Matas/Terry
Williams/Phillips
Smith/?

I am assuming we trade Lavine for something and Vuc for expiring and 2nds

[SirKaiser]

It would pain me to do so, but I think we should trade Coby, for the same reason other posters have mentioned. We have a log jam at guard and everyone else is either more valuable to us or not worth moving. I've always seen him as a modern Ben Gordon where he could be the perfect spark for us off the bench, but we don't really have the luxury to be setting up the bench when we haven't had a real PF in years.

That just made me think, why didn't we keep Gordon? I thought maybe it was because we wanted Rip Hamilton instead, but that was a couple years later

[SfBull]

For me it's easy, keep Ball as starter trading Coby and just let Giddey walk,he can't play defense and we'll probably keep Vuc so something needs to be done.

[Infinity2152]

I don't see how letting Giddey go, unless he gets a huge contract offer, is even a question. Coby's ceiling is pretty easy to see, he's been here for years. Giddey has been here less than a year, is younger than Coby, and has a larger skillset (he can be useful even when his shot is not falling). Don't think Coby's defense is any better than Giddey's especially when he was the same age. Plus Coby would be expiring looking for a new contract, we could easily lose him next season anyway. Young players with good potential are what we're looking for, and Giddey fits that role more than Coby, or even Ball. And I definitely want to re-sign Ball.

There hasn't been nearly enough time to give up on Giddey's potential, and he's already looking better defensively.

[League Circles]

The place to start is see what we can get for Giddey. Coby is on a super flexible deal and we don't want to face a tough decision in potentially overpaying Giddey. Lonzo is the best player currently but we can risk letting him walk, and we'll have his bird rights anyway so we can beat any offer by coming close or equal in first year money by giving him 5 years. Obviously we'd only consider doing this at a team friendly rate and if he plays the rest of the year super healthy, but playing a full year of impressive play would prove his health reasonably to me. Hard to imagine Ball getting more than MLE money, whereas Giddey might. This talk of Giddey getting like 25 mil a year are fantasy to me. He should be losing his starting job soon. I've liked his offensive game but you could argue Ball, Ayo or Smith might help us more in the starting lineup than Josh.

I'd love to see what a package of like Giddey, Patrick and Carter could get us.

[Infinity2152]

We will know how much Giddey will cost us when the time comes, so it should be an easy decision. I agree he won't get near a $25 mill offer. Not because I don't think he's worth it, but teams are looking REAL cap conscious right about now. Would expect it to be around Pat Will's contract, $18 mill. I'd trade Pat if necessary to re-sign Giddey to the same contract. Giddey's really being low balled here. He's younger than some of the guys in the draft. If he was drafted this year, he'd be in the ROY race with 12, 7, and 7. "Valuable" guard Dalton Knect is a year older, putting up 10, 3, and 1, shooting a little under 35% from 3.

[WesPeace]

Re-sign Ayo, also keep Lonzo on cheap, maybe resign Giddey to max 16M 1yr extension..

Trade Coby

[nitetrain8603]

Keep Lonzo and trade the rest for Zion

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[NecessaryEvil]

Lonzo & Ayo >>>>

[Hangtime84]

Ayo Zo and Josh seem to be more winning players.

Coby probably could the same production from another score first guy in g league or bench guy.

[MisterRoy]

I say trade either Ayo or White for a starting caliber PF (trade needs massaging but I bet it could happen) and let the other be 6th man. Keep Ball, Zach and Giddey.

Pat can come off the bench.

[Jcool0]

You cant trust Lonzo Ball to stay healthy. Even before the knee injury he always missed significant time.

[jnrjr79]

You cant trust Lonzo Ball to stay healthy. Even before the knee injury he always missed significant time.

I think the idea is that if he's on a cheap deal, he's impactful enough when he does play that it might be worthwhile (not dissimilar from Caruso when he was here).

[Infinity2152]

Injuries keep getting overblown. Everybody gets injured in the NBA. Google number of games average NBA player misses per season. Came up with mostly data on stars missing time, but it was 10.6 games in the 90's, and 23.9 in the 2020's. Meaning average star averaged 58 games in 2020's. Ball averaged 54 games before he got here, so just under that average. He was at 35 minutes/gm last injury, that's star minutes.

Think the problem is guys really think the average starter plays 70 games or more per season every season. Ball's last injury was different, but his injury misses before that were pretty average. Vucevic, the guy we're dying to get rid of, has been the healthiest Bull by far these last few years.

[HomoSapien]

You cant trust Lonzo Ball to stay healthy. Even before the knee injury he always missed significant time.

I might be wrong, but weren't most of those injuries related to his knee? Theoretically, they might be mostly behind him since he's basically got a new knee.