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Re: Tre Jones discussion thread 

Post#21 » by Chi town » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:34 pm

How much is Ayo worth in trade?
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Post#22 » by ChettheJet » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:59 pm

I'm for keeping Jones. He fills a role that the Bulls can't replicate with the other 8 guards they've got. He like Lonzo does something that PGs do. He doesn't pick up his dribble out in the open unless he has somewhere to pass the ball. Watch. When so many others on the Bulls pick u that dribble the defense swarms to the ball and not enough Bulls move to a spot where the guy with the ball can see them. I like Huerter as well. Get me one more center to back up Collins and Smith.

Too many here are so in love with Coby, Ayo, Terry because they've seen their entire career, they're OUR guys, well you should review the W/L numbers and consider that they needed to keep stepping up and maybe now is the time to make some moves.

If Coby is with the Bulls next year he's likely the starting SG and then the Bulls have to decide if he's at a consistent level to sign a big contract. I said it somewhere else, Coby as an expiring, is there a team that would trade for him as a starter and resign him to keep starting? Or would there be other teams who see him as a 6th man and trade for him to resign him for that role? I really don't see another team making a big investment in him when they can draft a kid for a rookie deal and maybe get as much.

Ayo is the same. He's excellent on defense, fairly high IQ, but you can find better shooters, you can find better ball handlers. He's a solid rotation guy but he's not a starter for the Bulls or anyone else.

Dalen still doesn't excel at any aspect of the game except hustle. No team is afraid to let him shoot, he isn't a sure handed ball handler, he still plays out of control at times and makes mistakes he should have grown out of. No team is going to pay him more than the bare minimum because they can draft potential for less.

It's not just the stars, Lavne, DeRozan, Vucevic that the Bulls need to move on from. Watch the bench guys that other teams bring in, you see guys go off and score 20 because they can shoot the ball. No they don't do it every game, but the really good teams have 2 or 3 guys who are capable and when one of them is hot they get the minutes and the other 1 or 2 sit. The Bulls don't have that group to send in and make things happen. Phillips hits three shots then hardly gets more chances. You've seen Patrick get 8 points on 3 shots in his first 6 minutes then he can't get the ball back. Ayo can get 20, he can get 4 more often.

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Re: Tre Jones discussion thread 

Post#23 » by dougthonus » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:22 am

League Circles wrote:No chance on earth. Why?

We already have 4 better players under contract that can all play the only position he can play (the 1) in Coby, Ball, Carter and Ayo.


I agree, though Ball, Ayo, and Coby all regularly play other positions, but I still generally agree, there doesn't seem to be much need for Tre Jones.
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Post#24 » by Ice Man » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:28 am

I won't press the point too hard but none of those guys are 1s but Lonzo, and who knows with him?

But whatever, the Bulls havee bigger problems than the backup PG.
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Post#25 » by Ccwatercraft » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:01 am

Muzbar wrote:I wanted to make this thread but wasn't sure if it was worth it.

Tre has been playing very well of late and that has continued as he got to start.

If the price is right I wouldn't mind having him back next season. But, the Bulls need to remove their guard glut, the Bulls currently have Giddey, Coby, Ayo, Carter, Tre, THT, Ball & Huerter as guards. Huerter and Giddey have the size to play some forward, THT will probably (hopefully) be gone next season.

I think if the Bulls can trade Coby and Carter for non-guards or space/picks then keeping Tre on the cheapish (if possible) would be a good idea, he could potentially be a good trade piece.


I can feel relatively comfortable labeling Giddey as SF, or a point forward for lack of a better term. Ball can certainly play the 3&d SF option, and Ayo is capable of that as well. THT and Carter are not the answer, so our guard situation isn't as plentiful as the roster suggests.

If carter opts in he's at the bottom of the PG list.

The problem isn't Jones, the problem is roster spots, and nfortunately it's a roster of basically "pretty good" players.

At this point if they 3 below were all UFA and 7 million I'd keep Jones over carter, Huerter and probably Terry.
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Re: Tre Jones discussion thread 

Post#26 » by sco » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:30 pm

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Muzbar wrote:I wanted to make this thread but wasn't sure if it was worth it.

Tre has been playing very well of late and that has continued as he got to start.

If the price is right I wouldn't mind having him back next season. But, the Bulls need to remove their guard glut, the Bulls currently have Giddey, Coby, Ayo, Carter, Tre, THT, Ball & Huerter as guards. Huerter and Giddey have the size to play some forward, THT will probably (hopefully) be gone next season.

I think if the Bulls can trade Coby and Carter for non-guards or space/picks then keeping Tre on the cheapish (if possible) would be a good idea, he could potentially be a good trade piece.


I can feel relatively comfortable labeling Giddey as SF, or a point forward for lack of a better term. Ball can certainly play the 3&d SF option, and Ayo is capable of that as well. THT and Carter are not the answer, so our guard situation isn't as plentiful as the roster suggests.

If carter opts in he's at the bottom of the PG list.

The problem isn't Jones, the problem is roster spots, and nfortunately it's a roster of basically "pretty good" players.

At this point if they 3 below were all UFA and 7 million I'd keep Jones over carter, Huerter and probably Terry.

Have you been watching Huerter since he's been here. I disagree.

Even if Carter opted out, I would still avoid keeping Jones. Both guys seem very replaceable by vet min guys (as does Terry).
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Re: Tre Jones discussion thread 

Post#27 » by League Circles » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:39 pm

Chi town wrote:How much is Ayo worth in trade?

Probably next to nothing this summer because he wasn't anything special beforehand, and now he's coming back from surgery in a contract year.
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Re: Tre Jones discussion thread 

Post#28 » by sco » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:47 pm

League Circles wrote:
Chi town wrote:How much is Ayo worth in trade?

Probably next to nothing this summer because he wasn't anything special beforehand, and now he's coming back from surgery in a contract year.

IDK, IIRC there were a number of inbound inquiries on him that were rebuffed at the deadline.
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Re: Tre Jones discussion thread 

Post#29 » by League Circles » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:53 pm

sco wrote:
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Chi town wrote:How much is Ayo worth in trade?

Probably next to nothing this summer because he wasn't anything special beforehand, and now he's coming back from surgery in a contract year.

IDK, IIRC there were a number of inbound inquiries on him that were rebuffed at the deadline.


Sure but with a player like that, a season ending injury is likely to significantly depress his value until at least a few months of good play, so I definitely wouldn't expect an Ayo trade until the trade deadline next year as opposed to this summer. Which sucks, cause TBH it makes more sense to trade him than anybody IMO.
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Post#30 » by Evil_Headband » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:03 pm

Assuming the Bulls keep Giddey and Carter opts in, the Bulls have 13 guaranteed contracts plus two draft picks. Barring a major shake up this summer, there isn't much room.
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Post#31 » by League Circles » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:11 pm

Ice Man wrote:I won't press the point too hard but none of those guys are 1s but Lonzo, and who knows with him?

But whatever, the Bulls havee bigger problems than the backup PG.


Huh? Coby and Carter are absolutely best suited to play the 1 and have done so for most of their careers. Hell Carter can practically only play the 1. Lonzo can and does play the 1 through 3 spots and has even played a decent amount of 4 for us (he shouldn't, but he's had to when we didn't have much depth there). Ayo is probably equally effective at the 1 or 2, and marginally less effective at the 3.

As far as ball distribution - the "point" role, that's obviously primarily Giddey in the likely event we keep him (from the 3 position). With Lonzo and Coby primarily complementing him as needed and when he's on the bench. That's one reason why I suspect Lonzo will remain a 6th man next year - so that we can always have one of him or Giddey on the court.

Carter and Ayo obviously (and Terry) don't have "point" skills of course, but they can all defend the 1 significantly better than Tre, and we don't need Tre's solid "point" skillset because of Giddey, Lonzo, Coby (and possibly a draft pick) and because we don't need to have the "point" skillset come from the 1 position whatsoever.

People keep associating the 1 position with the "point" role like we didn't win 6 championships without a point at the 1 and then see multiple other teams win championships in the time since then also without a point at the 1. Jevon Carter started half the season at the 1 for a 58 win team two years ago!

I like Tre Jones just fine, but he'd be the 5th most (worst) capable defender next year at the only position he can play behind Ball, Coby, Ayo and Terry, and on offense, he's no better than the 3rd or 4th guy at the only thing he can contribute (point skills) behind Giddey, Ball, and IMO Coby (yes Tre is better at distributing and pure ball handling than Coby but Coby is so much more dangerous as a scorer that I'd rather have Coby as a point also, especially since the two of then together with Giddey is a defensive joke.

So Tre would be the 5th best guy available for his defensive role and the 3rd or 4th best guy available for his offensive role. So average that out and he projects as a 4th string guy, but because an nba team has a 15 man roster, you only get 3 strings worth of guys.

Tre Jones is the easiest pass imaginable for this team. Solid player though. I think he can be a perfectly acceptable 2nd string 1 and 2nd string point for a team that lacks guys in those roles which we do not.
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Post#32 » by Infinity2152 » Sun Mar 9, 2025 2:30 am

Seems most are assuming all of Coby, Carter, Terry, Ayo are here next year and Ball is healthy. If Coby's playing point, who's starting at SG? Huerter? So if we're making assumptions, going to assume Coby will primarily be playing SG now that Zach is gone if he's still here. Carter's the easiest to say he should be gone, due to his age. Terry should certainly be gone, and don't think PG is his best position either. Only PG's I'm counting as guaranteed to be here are Ball and Giddey. Don't think Giddey starts at PG the entire season, unless we draft an amazing forward or Pat finds his way. Then Balls' health.

If the question is should we keep him while retaining all those other "PG's" then no. Jones best season he averaged 13 pts and 6.6 assists in 29 minutes. He can run an offense from the backup PG position. Better than Coby, Ayo, Terry or Carter imo. Ayo can play 1, 2, or 3 so not worried about his minutes. But I'd rather sign Jones cheap and dump Terry and Carter, than keep Terry and Carter and dump Jones. Offseason isn't even here yet, not giving up on Terry and Carter being gone by start of the season.
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Post#33 » by sco » Sun Mar 9, 2025 3:45 am

I wanted to add that Tre Jones is a darn good defender. He is what Ayo used to be. He's tough, even against bigger guys. His ability to finish at the rim as a small guy is also impressive. He is easy to root for.
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Post#34 » by Jahensle » Sun Mar 9, 2025 3:46 am

We need to bring Jones back. 4 / 28
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Post#35 » by SalmonsSuperfan » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:43 am

i saw there was a t jones on the team and i thought it was little tyus. if only. that guy rocks, they used to make fun of him for not being jahlil. speaking of jah, he actually got some nba minutes this season.
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Post#36 » by GuardianEnzo » Sun Mar 9, 2025 6:14 am

Jones has always been a very solid rotation player. Does a lot of grunt work and no glaring weaknesses in his game. Would make a lot more sense on a contender, though.
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Post#37 » by Ccwatercraft » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:12 am

sco wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I wanted to make this thread but wasn't sure if it was worth it.

Tre has been playing very well of late and that has continued as he got to start.

If the price is right I wouldn't mind having him back next season. But, the Bulls need to remove their guard glut, the Bulls currently have Giddey, Coby, Ayo, Carter, Tre, THT, Ball & Huerter as guards. Huerter and Giddey have the size to play some forward, THT will probably (hopefully) be gone next season.

I think if the Bulls can trade Coby and Carter for non-guards or space/picks then keeping Tre on the cheapish (if possible) would be a good idea, he could potentially be a good trade piece.


I can feel relatively comfortable labeling Giddey as SF, or a point forward for lack of a better term. Ball can certainly play the 3&d SF option, and Ayo is capable of that as well. THT and Carter are not the answer, so our guard situation isn't as plentiful as the roster suggests.

If carter opts in he's at the bottom of the PG list.

The problem isn't Jones, the problem is roster spots, and nfortunately it's a roster of basically "pretty good" players.

At this point if they 3 below were all UFA and 7 million I'd keep Jones over carter, Huerter and probably Terry.

Have you been watching Huerter since he's been here. I disagree.

Even if Carter opted out, I would still avoid keeping Jones. Both guys seem very replaceable by vet min guys (as does Terry).


I have to admit, Huerter has been really looking good lately, and tonight he was solid. He's a bit pricey but he seems to have his spark back, he hustles.
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Post#38 » by sco » Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:52 pm

I'm still skeptical, but Jones, IMO, can play a role here as the guy who can guard the small quick guards. I don't think anyone else is very good at that...not sure Ayo is very good at that.

I could get behind keeping him if:

1) We don't pay him more than $7M per year, AND
2) We can bring back a 1st and trade Ayo, and/or Ball in the offseason because I see alot duplication between the 3 guys
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Post#39 » by League Circles » Tue Mar 11, 2025 1:08 pm

I think barring a significant trade, our starters next year are probably:

1: Coby
2: our draft pick, Ball, or maybe Ayo
3: Giddey
4: Matas
5: hopefully open competition between Vuc, Collins and Smith. I prefer Smith, or Collins, but Vuc probably best for the tank.
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Post#40 » by Red8911 » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:19 pm

sco wrote:I'm still skeptical, but Jones, IMO, can play a role here as the guy who can guard the small quick guards. I don't think anyone else is very good at that...not sure Ayo is very good at that.

I could get behind keeping him if:

1) We don't pay him more than $7M per year, AND
2) We can bring back a 1st and trade Ayo, and/or Ball in the offseason because I see alot duplication between the 3 guys

I would keep Tre over one of Ayo or Ball. High iq, plays hard and contributes consistently on both ends.

Solid player to have on this roster, definitely a keeper but as a FA anything can happen. Even if the bulls want him back he can still end up elsewhere. The better he plays the more teams will be interested.

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