Would You Support Rebuilding Around Josh Giddey?

[Dez]

Hell no. That would be like rebuilding around a young Vuc. You’re not going past the first round.

That is the worst comparison.

It’s not he’s raises the floor but he lowers the ceiling.

It's a horrible comparison, he doesn't lower the ceiling at all.

He's a 22 year old who has improved every year, it would be a low IQ take to think he lowers the ceiling of a team.

[rosenthall]

Should the Bulls pass on Dylan Harper because they have Giddey? No. I used Harper as an example but I don't think Giddey should be factored into draft/trade decisions. We shouldn't pass on talented players because they aren't a great fit next to Giddey.

I agree that the Bulls shouldn't pass on a prospect like Harper due to Giddey.

The point I was trying to make was that even if we did luck out and get a top 2 pick in the draft (12% chance right now), there's a good chance Harper is not very useful as a team's primary on ball option in year 1 and you could pretty easily stagger their minutes.

And sometime in year 2 try and put together a trade package for Giddey or move him more off-ball as a PF. I also think Giddey paired with one other shot-creator isn't that big a deal, especially in the short run.

So even in the most extreme case of him being a bad roster fit, you'd still have a 1.5 - 2 year run way to work with him.

And draft happens before FA, so you could plan his contract negotiations accordingly.

[Guru]

Clarification: When I said "rebuild around Josh Giddey", I meant "sign him to a contract, plan on him being primary on-ball facilitator for the next 2-3 years and make marginal roster moves with him in mind until the roster gets to a better inflection point."

I don't think Giddey should influence who we draft, and I certainly don't think the team should go "all-in" on a Giddey centric roster.

This is a resounding yes. He's a versatile player who will help the development of your young players.

[Guru]

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[Jcool0]

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[PJSteven22]

Hell no. That would be like rebuilding around a young Vuc. You’re not going past the first round.

This supports the point I was trying to make.

The current version of the Magic was made possible by the Vuc era Magic, mostly because they were able to trade Vuc into Franz Wagner. And the reason Vuc had the trade value he did is because the Magic did a good job of building their team with him, which improved his perception around the league. They're a good example of a camel shaped rebuild.

Except that AKME has shown no ability to sell high on a player or correctly assess the appropriate value for their players.

[PJSteven22]

That is the worst comparison.

It’s not he’s raises the floor but he lowers the ceiling.

It's a horrible comparison, he doesn't lower the ceiling at all.

He's a 22 year old who has improved every year, it would be a low IQ take to think he lowers the ceiling of a team.

Yes he does. You didn’t see the playoffs last year?

[League Circles]

Max Giddey lol

[Jcool0]

It’s not he’s raises the floor but he lowers the ceiling.

It's a horrible comparison, he doesn't lower the ceiling at all.

He's a 22 year old who has improved every year, it would be a low IQ take to think he lowers the ceiling of a team.

Yes he does. You didn’t see the playoffs last year? Don’t try to call my takes low IQ either. You have some pretty bad takes as well.

26/10/12 +25 in win vs Miami including 3 pointer to seal win.

[SHO'NUFF]

Josh Giddey is pretty good despite low IQ takes.

[PJSteven22]

It's a horrible comparison, he doesn't lower the ceiling at all.

He's a 22 year old who has improved every year, it would be a low IQ take to think he lowers the ceiling of a team.

Yes he does. You didn’t see the playoffs last year? Don’t try to call my takes low IQ either. You have some pretty bad takes as well.

26/10/12 +25 in win vs Miami including 3 pointer to seal win.

You’re missing the point as usual.

[Dez]

It’s not he’s raises the floor but he lowers the ceiling.

It's a horrible comparison, he doesn't lower the ceiling at all.

He's a 22 year old who has improved every year, it would be a low IQ take to think he lowers the ceiling of a team.

Yes he does. You didn’t see the playoffs last year?

God this is a stupid argument, it's really exaggerated how he played in the playoffs.

21 year old in his first playoffs had a couple of bad games, yes that shapes his whole career.

Warning given for insulting people you disagree with, next time is a suspension -Doug

[boozapalooza]

Im going to say yes, Giddey should be part of this teams future foundation.

Year 2 in OKC - 16.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 6.2ast

Year 3 in OKC - unmitigated disaster for him

Yesr 4 in CHI - post Lavine, he looks like the exciting prospect he was in his first 2 years in the league.

The kid is only 22 years old! Hes got big upside if his shot continues to improve.

[PJSteven22]

It's a horrible comparison, he doesn't lower the ceiling at all.

He's a 22 year old who has improved every year, it would be a low IQ take to think he lowers the ceiling of a team.

Yes he does. You didn’t see the playoffs last year?

God this is a stupid argument, it's really exaggerated how he played in the playoffs.

21 year old in his first playoffs had a couple of bad games, yes that shapes his whole career.

No it’s valid. He’s a defensive liability. He’s not going to get more athletic. If he wasn’t such a flawed player he’d still be on the Thunder. Stop with the childish comments.

[Jcool0]

Yes he does. You didn’t see the playoffs last year? Don’t try to call my takes low IQ either. You have some pretty bad takes as well.

26/10/12 +25 in win vs Miami including 3 pointer to seal win.

You’re missing the point as usual.

You have a point?

[PJSteven22]

26/10/12 +25 in win vs Miami including 3 pointer to seal win.

You’re missing the point as usual.

You have a point?

Read my earlier comment

[MrSparkle]

I'm generally of the belief that regardless whether you have Jordan, Lebron or Josh Giddey, you should make smart roster moves. Basically pickup good-value players, and avoid overpaying. If you have a contract that you can't trade for anything nice the day after the ink's signed, then you did something wrong (cough, Zach, Vuc, Boozer, etc.). Get guys who defend and shoot well, with high IQ and effort. Get players other teams want. But keep their market/trade value in mind. This isn't rocket science.

Why could the Lakers sign a guy like Austin Reaves to a fair value, but we have to pay a scrub like Patrick Williams even more money than him?

I don't know what building around Giddey means. I'd pursue the same types of players whether I had Wemby, Luka or Giannis. You want all-stars who can make shots and play with their brains.

There comes a time where you are so stacked, that all you need are some final pieces. Then I'd loosen this philosophy and pursue some riskier additions. Even then, did Boston do that when they added White, Jrue and Porzingis? No - they bought those guys all cheap. Key is just winning margins on every move.

[Dez]

Yes he does. You didn’t see the playoffs last year?

God this is a stupid argument, it's really exaggerated how he played in the playoffs.

21 year old in his first playoffs had a couple of bad games, yes that shapes his whole career.

No it’s valid. He’s a defensive liability. He’s not going to get more athletic. If he wasn’t he’d still be on the Thunder. Stop with the childish comments.

He's not a defensive liability, his defense has improved to the point that he isn't hunted.

The Thunder traded him because of the overlap with SGA, Jalen Williams breaking out, Giddey wanting a trade, he was coming up for a new contract and they got a better fit in Caruso.

He doesn't need to be more athletic, would it help? Sure but it's not a necessity.

[PJSteven22]

God this is a stupid argument, it's really exaggerated how he played in the playoffs.

21 year old in his first playoffs had a couple of bad games, yes that shapes his whole career.

No it’s valid. He’s a defensive liability. He’s not going to get more athletic. If he wasn’t he’d still be on the Thunder. Stop with the childish comments.

He's not a defensive liability, his defense has improved to the point that he isn't hunted.

The Thunder traded him because of the overlap with SGA, Jalen Williams breaking out, Giddey wanting a trade, he was coming up for a new contract and they got a better fit in Caruso.

He doesn't need to be more athletic, would it help? Sure but it's not a necessity.

He would need to be a better athlete especially on the defense. He got traded because he’s a talented player with severe limitations. Those limitations will affect him in being the best guy on a team. If you’re fine with a mediocre team. Be my guest.

[Dez]

No it’s valid. He’s a defensive liability. He’s not going to get more athletic. If he wasn’t he’d still be on the Thunder. Stop with the childish comments.

He's not a defensive liability, his defense has improved to the point that he isn't hunted.

The Thunder traded him because of the overlap with SGA, Jalen Williams breaking out, Giddey wanting a trade, he was coming up for a new contract and they got a better fit in Caruso.

He doesn't need to be more athletic, would it help? Sure but it's not a necessity.

He would need to be a better athlete especially on the defense. He got traded because he’s a talented player with severe limitations. Those limitations will affect him in being the best guy on a team. If you’re fine with a mediocre team. Be my guest.

22 years old.

Improved every year.

Not finished product.

You can use your made up reason for why he was traded if you want but I assume everyone else will use the real reasons.