NBA Trade Thread #12

[WindyCityBorn]

Zach is a much better passer.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind adding guys, but I think we'll be hard pressed to open up roster spot. I wouldn't mind a consolidation trade including Ayo and or the POR pick for a really good vet defensive PF or offensive 6th man. That said, any roster spot generated by a trade like that would probably go toward keeping Jones.

BTW, does anyone have a logically viable trade for Vuc? I used to think GS or LAL were good partners but I think GS will be challenged to match salary in the offseason and LAL, post Luka trade, can't afford to add a non-defensive, non-lob threat C. Who else would want him and has the right salaries to match? I can't see 3-way deals working because we'd need to be giving pick(s) because nobody taking Vuc is giving a pick to get him.

Yeah, I see a lot of posts saying that a Vooch trade is necessary, but I'm not sure there'll be much of a market for him unless he's just an expiring salary in some broader deal.

Him being here next season would be major downer because he will start even though he shouldn’t. If he was playing 15 minutes off the bench I wouldn’t care, but he will get entitlement minutes.

Or let him start, but he still only gets 15 minutes.

[sco]

Was looking at trash for potentially less terrible trash deals involving Vuc. Would folks consider using Ayo and Huerter to get rid of Pat/Vuc?

Ayo/Huerter/Vuc/Pat to POR for Ayton/Grant? Doesn't save us any $, but shaves a year off of Pat's deal with a more expensive, but shorter Grant deal. It does free-up 2 roster spots. Most importantly, it removes the stench of Vuc and Pat from the court.

[JRoy]

Was looking at trash for potentially less terrible trash deals involving Vuc. Would folks consider using Ayo and Huerter to get rid of Pat/Vuc?

Ayo/Huerter/Vuc/Pat to POR for Ayton/Grant? Doesn't save us any $, but shaves a year off of Pat's deal with a more expensive, but shorter Grant deal. It does free-up 2 roster spots. Most importantly, it removes the stench of Vuc and Pat from the court.

Pass for POR. Looking for our pick back in a deal. I do think Vuc would be a better mentor for Clingan than Ayton.

[Guru]

Was looking at trash for potentially less terrible trash deals involving Vuc. Would folks consider using Ayo and Huerter to get rid of Pat/Vuc?

Ayo/Huerter/Vuc/Pat to POR for Ayton/Grant? Doesn't save us any $, but shaves a year off of Pat's deal with a more expensive, but shorter Grant deal. It does free-up 2 roster spots. Most importantly, it removes the stench of Vuc and Pat from the court.

You are better off just not playing them and Pwill was fine last game

[Dez]

Was looking at trash for potentially less terrible trash deals involving Vuc. Would folks consider using Ayo and Huerter to get rid of Pat/Vuc?

Ayo/Huerter/Vuc/Pat to POR for Ayton/Grant? Doesn't save us any $, but shaves a year off of Pat's deal with a more expensive, but shorter Grant deal. It does free-up 2 roster spots. Most importantly, it removes the stench of Vuc and Pat from the court.

You are better off just not playing them and Pwill was fine last game

No, no he wasn't.

He was a negative on the court and he's been outplayed by a rookie and minimum level players.

[Dan Z]

Was looking at trash for potentially less terrible trash deals involving Vuc. Would folks consider using Ayo and Huerter to get rid of Pat/Vuc?

Ayo/Huerter/Vuc/Pat to POR for Ayton/Grant? Doesn't save us any $, but shaves a year off of Pat's deal with a more expensive, but shorter Grant deal. It does free-up 2 roster spots. Most importantly, it removes the stench of Vuc and Pat from the court.

I like your idea, but not the trade. It's a shame that Patrick Williams has regressed. I might look to trade him with the Portland pick to see if i could get a better contributor.

[WesPeace]

Was looking at trash for potentially less terrible trash deals involving Vuc. Would folks consider using Ayo and Huerter to get rid of Pat/Vuc?

Ayo/Huerter/Vuc/Pat to POR for Ayton/Grant? Doesn't save us any $, but shaves a year off of Pat's deal with a more expensive, but shorter Grant deal. It does free-up 2 roster spots. Most importantly, it removes the stench of Vuc and Pat from the court.

Its kinda overpay for me.. especially the way Huerter has been playing and Ayo was still important piece for us. Less now with Jones playing that good,but still overpay.

I think also PWill trade value is at very low levels.. we gotta build it back up. Next season his last chance to show something.. even Tank Zion lost decent weight and became leaner, faster, so should Patrick.

[drosestruts]

Not sure if the Nets would entertain a Nic Claxton trade.

I like that Claxton's deal decreases in value every year. Not sure if they'd entertain moving off him deal for expiring, which we have an endless amount of. Could potentially require some young guys and maybe the PDX pick.

Claxton provides some of the rim running, vertical spacing many here have been wanting for a while. Still young at 25 years old. Some huge flaws/warts in his game for sure.

[sco]

Not sure if the Nets would entertain a Nic Claxton trade.

I like that Claxton's deal decreases in value every year. Not sure if they'd entertain moving off him deal for expiring, which we have an endless amount of. Could potentially require some young guys and maybe the PDX pick.

Claxton provides some of the rim running, vertical spacing many here have been wanting for a while. Still young at 25 years old. Some huge flaws/warts in his game for sure.

I was a big fan, but his performance this year, when he's had a chance to take on a bigger role on BKN, he's done very little. His scoring and shot blocking have come down both of the past 2 seasons. His rebounding is down to less than 8 per game from 10 per game last year. If BKN is interested in moving on from his contract, we should worry. I'd much rather ride with Collins and Smith. Generally though, I'm not a fan of paying the starting C more than the MLE. You can't spend money on every position, and C seems like where the value drop off from $30M guys to $15M guys is the lowest.

[drosestruts]

Not sure if the Nets would entertain a Nic Claxton trade.

I like that Claxton's deal decreases in value every year. Not sure if they'd entertain moving off him deal for expiring, which we have an endless amount of. Could potentially require some young guys and maybe the PDX pick.

Claxton provides some of the rim running, vertical spacing many here have been wanting for a while. Still young at 25 years old. Some huge flaws/warts in his game for sure.

I was a big fan, but his performance this year, when he's had a chance to take on a bigger role on BKN, he's done very little. His scoring and shot blocking have come down both of the past 2 seasons. His rebounding is down to less than 8 per game from 10 per game last year. If BKN is interested in moving on from his contract, we should worry. I'd much rather ride with Collins and Smith. Generally though, I'm not a fan of paying the starting C more than the MLE. You can't spend money on every position, and C seems like where the value drop off from $30M guys to $15M guys is the lowest.

This is all fair.

My hope would be a change of scenery and being on a team wanting to win could help turn that back around.

Offensivley I have to imagine he'd enjoy playing with Giddey and Ball.

[leo921]

I know it would take some sign and trade work but if we are going with a Giddy/Coby/Matas core then a trade for Turner would be perfect.
A lineup of Ball/White/Giddy/Matas/Turner would be a great blend of shooting, defense, can play uptempo or halfcourt.

Something like
Collins/Huerter/Smith/Port 1st for Turner/Mathurin

Collins/Huerter are expiring and solid players giving Pacers depth and flexibility, Indy likes Smith and would welcome him back.
Turner does a sign and trade for 4 years/30m per, I like Mathurin think he has a ton of potential and the Bulls need good wings.
End up deeper and more talented with something like Ball/White/Giddy/Matas/Turner and a great bench of Ayo/Mathurin/Phillips/Williams/Vuc.
For those who would complain about Vuc off bench he is not our future and is on an expiring contract, if we cant deal him then he goes
to the bench in favor of Turner

[sco]

I know it would take some sign and trade work but if we are going with a Giddy/Coby/Matas core then a trade for Turner would be perfect.
A lineup of Ball/White/Giddy/Matas/Turner would be a great blend of shooting, defense, can play uptempo or halfcourt.

Something like
Collins/Huerter/Smith/Port 1st for Turner/Mathurin

Collins/Huerter are expiring and solid players giving Pacers depth and flexibility, Indy likes Smith and would welcome him back.
Turner does a sign and trade for 4 years/30m per, I like Mathurin think he has a ton of potential and the Bulls need good wings.
End up deeper and more talented with something like Ball/White/Giddy/Matas/Turner and a great bench of Ayo/Mathurin/Phillips/Williams/Vuc.
For those who would complain about Vuc off bench he is not our future and is on an expiring contract, if we cant deal him then he goes
to the bench in favor of Turner

Just want to point out that Turner is a UFA, so it would need to be a S&T. I have heard rumors that Indy may not want to pay up for Turner. How much are we gonna pay him? I think the end result of that deal would be losing Coby because we won't be able to afford his deal, so you may as well deal him in the offseason under that scenario. I like Turner, but I think someone will pay him $30 - $40M+ and I hate paying C's that kind of dough because of the opportunity cost, but at least he is a 2-way guy. The positive here is that, unlike the Giddey trade, you will know he's signed up and for how much going in.

[Infinity2152]

There are a few ways Bulls could clear enough cap to sign Turner at $25 mill AAV or so. If it's a sign and trade it's far easier, almost certainly means Pat or Vuc come off the cap. Any move to get Turner means Vuc or Collins, probably both are gone. They combine for more than Turner will get right now, and we still have Smith. We projected as a top cap team in 2026, so assuming one or both of Collins and Vuc are gone and we add no long term money, we have more than enough to keep Coby.

Having a relatively young two way center who can shoot threes and blocks shots at a high rate has to be pretty unique. Like seriously, almost as unique as Giddey. I agree I wouldn't want to pay him $40 mill, but $25-$30 mill AAV or so, I'd probably jump. They can have both Vuc and Collins, lol.

This team looks pretty damn good starting Collins. Replace Collins and Vuc with Turner and add a top rookie, our guys Giddy, White, and Matas, still get plenty of shots and imagine what the team could look like. I think Turner is a huge upgrade over Collins. Would much prefer him over say Claxton. Naz Reid could be an even better add. With a core of Giddey, Coby, Matas, reliable defensive center is the biggest need.

[WindyCityBorn]

Not sure if the Nets would entertain a Nic Claxton trade.

I like that Claxton's deal decreases in value every year. Not sure if they'd entertain moving off him deal for expiring, which we have an endless amount of. Could potentially require some young guys and maybe the PDX pick.

Claxton provides some of the rim running, vertical spacing many here have been wanting for a while. Still young at 25 years old. Some huge flaws/warts in his game for sure.

Collins does basically the same thing Claxton does. And he’s 27. Rather not pick up any more unnecessary big contracts before 2026.

[Dez]

Not sure if the Nets would entertain a Nic Claxton trade.

I like that Claxton's deal decreases in value every year. Not sure if they'd entertain moving off him deal for expiring, which we have an endless amount of. Could potentially require some young guys and maybe the PDX pick.

Claxton provides some of the rim running, vertical spacing many here have been wanting for a while. Still young at 25 years old. Some huge flaws/warts in his game for sure.

Collins does basically the same thing Claxton does. And he’s 27. Rather not pick up any more unnecessary big contracts before 2026.

Huh? Do you actually watch anyone outside of the Bulls?

[2weekswithpay]

Read on Twitter

Obi Toppin would be the one they dump to keep Turner.

[WindyCityBorn]

Not sure if the Nets would entertain a Nic Claxton trade.

I like that Claxton's deal decreases in value every year. Not sure if they'd entertain moving off him deal for expiring, which we have an endless amount of. Could potentially require some young guys and maybe the PDX pick.

Claxton provides some of the rim running, vertical spacing many here have been wanting for a while. Still young at 25 years old. Some huge flaws/warts in his game for sure.

Collins does basically the same thing Claxton does. And he’s 27. Rather not pick up any more unnecessary big contracts before 2026.

Huh? Do you actually watch anyone outside of the Bulls?

Claxton is rimming run hustle big just like Collins. Considering he played at Georgia I have been following him longer than you have. And why the Hell would I watch the Nets this season? I doubt his game has changed much from last year.

How would his amazing 10/7 production change our frontcourt dear Claxton expert that would justify a $100 million contract?

[Dez]

Collins does basically the same thing Claxton does. And he’s 27. Rather not pick up any more unnecessary big contracts before 2026.

Huh? Do you actually watch anyone outside of the Bulls?

Claxton is rimming run hustle big just like Collins. Considering he played at Georgia I have been following him longer than you have. And why the Hell would I watch the Nets this season? I doubt his game has changed much from last year.

How would his amazing 10/7 production change our frontcourt dear Claxton expert that would justify a $100 million contract?

He offers rim protection that we currently don't have. Also he'd have 3 years left and it declines from $25M each year, he'd be an excellent fit.

[WindyCityBorn]

Huh? Do you actually watch anyone outside of the Bulls?

Claxton is rimming run hustle big just like Collins. Considering he played at Georgia I have been following him longer than you have. And why the Hell would I watch the Nets this season? I doubt his game has changed much from last year.

How would his amazing 10/7 production change our frontcourt dear Claxton expert that would justify a $100 million contract?

He offers rim protection that we currently don't have. Also he'd have 3 years left and it declines from $25M each year, he'd be an excellent fit.

No thanks. We can get that for cheaper down the line. Claxton is an expensive role player piece. Not a player we should be wasting money on now. We already have a bad contract in Williams and will likely be paying Giddey Coby 30 plus million apiece. No room for role players that would be minor upgrade making as much an our “stars”. Collins played good defense when he started. Not a rim protector, but he gets to right spots.

Claxton is guy a serious contender would go after to fill a hole kinda like. Kinda like Gafford in Dallas. Not a rebuilding team like the Bulls that won’t go into the luxury tax unless we are the brink of the finals. And why would the Nets trade him if he is so good and young on a team friendly deal? What are we giving up? Definitely not any picks or any players that we seriously value.

[jStuNNa]

Was looking at trash for potentially less terrible trash deals involving Vuc. Would folks consider using Ayo and Huerter to get rid of Pat/Vuc?

Ayo/Huerter/Vuc/Pat to POR for Ayton/Grant? Doesn't save us any $, but shaves a year off of Pat's deal with a more expensive, but shorter Grant deal. It does free-up 2 roster spots. Most importantly, it removes the stench of Vuc and Pat from the court.

Ayton and Grant are both worthless in today's NBA and would be horrible fits. Vuc is double-double machine, good passer, great shooter, and spaces the floor. He fits very nicely with this Bulls core.

If you're going to replace Vuc with a rim protector, he better be able to space the floor as well, like Myles Turner. Otherwise, just stick with what you got and wait for a better opportunity.