The next "Josh Giddey"

[WindyCityBorn]

There is a notable difference between Giddey and a lot of the people on this list. Giddey actually showed a lot of promise and put up stats, especially early in his career. We can take a gamble on someone who doesn't play, but that's not the Giddey method.

Yes Giddey really has just performed to projections once he got an actual PG role.
per 36,
Giddey age 20: 19 ppg 9 rpg 7 apg
Giddey now: 17 ppg 9 rpg 9 apg

The guy was the youngest player in NBA history to triple double, who could have predicted he'd be good. And he didn't stat pad to get a 10th rebound or something, it was 17/13/14 with 4 steals.

He also generally looked like Chicago Giddey back in OKC if SGA was out. Games like 20/13/13.

He’s more efficient scorer now. I think that will continue to improve. The core skills were always there.

[coldfish]

There is a notable difference between Giddey and a lot of the people on this list. Giddey actually showed a lot of promise and put up stats, especially early in his career. We can take a gamble on someone who doesn't play, but that's not the Giddey method.

Yes Giddey really has just performed to projections once he got an actual PG role.
per 36,
Giddey age 20: 19 ppg 9 rpg 7 apg
Giddey now: 17 ppg 9 rpg 9 apg

The guy was the youngest player in NBA history to triple double, who could have predicted he'd be good. And he didn't stat pad to get a 10th rebound or something, it was 17/13/14 with 4 steals.

He also generally looked like Chicago Giddey back in OKC if SGA was out. Games like 20/13/13.

+1. Its actually still up in the air if Giddey can do this on a winning team. Regardless, Josh clearly displayed the ability to play like he has early in his career and he has just honed things like his shooting.

If you are looking for "the next josh giddey", go find a guy who has already played at a reasonable level but doesn't fit with his current team.

[HomoSapien]

There is a notable difference between Giddey and a lot of the people on this list. Giddey actually showed a lot of promise and put up stats, especially early in his career. We can take a gamble on someone who doesn't play, but that's not the Giddey method.

Yes Giddey really has just performed to projections once he got an actual PG role.
per 36,
Giddey age 20: 19 ppg 9 rpg 7 apg
Giddey now: 17 ppg 9 rpg 9 apg

The guy was the youngest player in NBA history to triple double, who could have predicted he'd be good. And he didn't stat pad to get a 10th rebound or something, it was 17/13/14 with 4 steals.

He also generally looked like Chicago Giddey back in OKC if SGA was out. Games like 20/13/13.

+1. Its actually still up in the air if Giddey can do this on a winning team. Regardless, Josh clearly displayed the ability to play like he has early in his career and he has just honed things like his shooting.

If you are looking for "the next josh giddey", go find a guy who has already played at a reasonable level but doesn't fit with his current team.

A guy who potentially fits that mold is Keegan Murray, who has shown flashes but is now extremely low on the shot chart behind DDR, Sabonis, LaVine, and Monk.

[Astaluego]

Cam Whitmore (Houston)
Osmane Dieng (Thunder)

This is probably nonsense, but a minimum bet (he was looking very good before getting injured)...James Wiseman

Another guy to give a position to for the minimum could be..Bol Bol

[Donkedave]

Cam Whitmore (Houston)
Osmane Dieng (Thunder)

This is probably nonsense, but a minimum bet (he was looking very good before getting injured)...James Wiseman

Another guy to give a position to for the minimum could be..Bol Bol

I think I’d be ok with our 27 1st for Whitemore into our TPE/NTMLE etc. with that pick gone we have 25,26 potentially Portland pick in 26 or 27 also.

Both Dieng and Whitemore have shown they can play at this level in limited roles/time tho. Why can’t we have both

Edit: Oh and yes I’d take a chance on Wiseman as a back up back up C. A 3 year deal on the min non guarantees should get it done.

[sco]

One guy who showed me some nice skill at the C position who is collecting dust on the MEM bench is Huff. I wonder if we could find a way to pry him loose?

[drosestruts]

One guy who showed me some nice skill at the C position who is collecting dust on the MEM bench is Huff. I wonder if we could find a way to pry him loose?

I know per 36 numbers have a lot of variables and if/buts or whatever in them.

But Jay Huff is an interesting per 36 player

he ranks 4th in 3PM per 36 (hits 41% of his 3's)

he ranks 4th in Blocks per 36


This is a pretty unique combo. I think we tried the poor mans Brook Lopez before with Luke Kornett, and you can see he's carved out a role for himself in Boston the past few years.

Could Huff fill a similar role for us?

[Chi town]

One guy who showed me some nice skill at the C position who is collecting dust on the MEM bench is Huff. I wonder if we could find a way to pry him loose?

I know per 36 numbers have a lot of variables and if/buts or whatever in them.

But Jay Huff is an interesting per 36 player

he ranks 4th in 3PM per 36 (hits 41% of his 3's)

he ranks 4th in Blocks per 36


This is a pretty unique combo. I think we tried the poor mans Brook Lopez before with Luke Kornett, and you can see he's carved out a role for himself in Boston the past few years.

Could Huff fill a similar role for us?

I think so. I’d happily trade Jalen Smith for an asset and for much cheaper Huff.

[Chi town]

I’d add that “the next Giddey” needs to have a ceiling of a top 3 player on a contender. That’s ultimately what we are looking for.

Cam and Keegan fit the bill. Both will be costly.

[Hangtime84]

Podziemski is my choice
I would have said Keegan Murray last year.

Dark horse Jonathan Isaac

[drosestruts]

I think teams will be circling the Pacers this offseason as well.

They seem intent on re-signing Myles Turner but also seem to not want to pay the tax, which will likely be impossible and made even more difficult if they intend to keep players like Obi Toppin and Mathurin.

Toppin is ranked 5th in the entire NBA in eFG% and 10th in TS%

[Chi town]

Podziemski is my choice
I would have said Keegan Murray last year.

Dark horse Jonathan Isaac

Huerter for Isaac?

They need shooting bad.

[Muzbar]

It's amusing that some people think this team is '1 piece away' from being a "contender".

A contender to me is a team that can compete for a championship season after season, a team like that needs at least some type of superstar, this team definitely doesn't have that.

This is a young team and some of their players could definitely develop and lead this team, playoffs (not the play-in) could very well be in the conversation every season, but they've got a long way to go before they're a contender.

[HomoSapien]

There is a notable difference between Giddey and a lot of the people on this list. Giddey actually showed a lot of promise and put up stats, especially early in his career. We can take a gamble on someone who doesn't play, but that's not the Giddey method.

To a lesser degree, Huerter actually falls into this category. He was a contributor pretty much from day one and then his stock dropped.

[MrSparkle]

The way Giddey has played… he’s running the offense like Nash. His 3P shot has cooled off (2-11 in the last 4), but OTOH 17/22 FTs. Which is still in line with #1 production.

I’m having a hard time having a problem with the guy. If Huerter finished the open jam, the back-n-forth “blooper reel” from last night would’ve had 1 of the best highlights of the year (that Giddey outlet pass was insane).

[Dominator83]

It's amusing that some people think this team is '1 piece away' from being a "contender".

A contender to me is a team that can compete for a championship season after season, a team like that needs at least some type of superstar, this team definitely doesn't have that.

This is a young team and some of their players could definitely develop and lead this team, playoffs (not the play-in) could very well be in the conversation every season, but they've got a long way to go before they're a contender.

Yea while I do enjoy watching these guys, is their collective ceiling any higher than those Hinrich/Gordon/Deng teams?

[Am2626]

It's amusing that some people think this team is '1 piece away' from being a "contender".

A contender to me is a team that can compete for a championship season after season, a team like that needs at least some type of superstar, this team definitely doesn't have that.

This is a young team and some of their players could definitely develop and lead this team, playoffs (not the play-in) could very well be in the conversation every season, but they've got a long way to go before they're a contender.

Yea while I do enjoy watching these guys, is their collective ceiling any higher than those Hinrich/Gordon/Deng teams?

Yes that is a good comp. A good but not great core. They didn’t become a legitimate championship caliber team until they lucked into Rose. Stars win in this league and the Bulls haven’t done anything since 1998 because the one star they had in Rose blew out his knee.

[DrModesty]

I was reminded about this thread after a thought I had earlier today. This thread was talking about finding players that could be found cheaply and grow in to good talents. But another way to achieve something like this is to buy low on a player that a team has to move for non-talent reasons. That might be something like a player demanding a trade, but it can also be a team needing to dodge the tax.

The Bulls should buy low on Porzingis. He has flaws for sure, but I don't even know if he is a positive asset right now. We have seen him average 20 points consistently when healthy, and he fills the same role as Vuc but with better defense and less demanding touches.

[ghostinthepost1]

The most obvious candidate for being the "next" Josh Giddey is Johnathan Kuminga.

Both are/were:
- High draft picks
- Questionable fits for their current teams
- Shown flashes of being roughly all-star players
- Are available due to their value being at an all time low.
- Questions around their ability to shoot.

I kind of like the idea of having Matas and Kuminga on the wings, would give us two very athletic wings with size who both play defense.

[dawhizz]

Julian Strawther is the first guy who came to my mind. He seems pretty good when he plays, but I don’t think he’s ever going to crack a playoff rotation for as long as the Nuggets see themselves as contenders (which is as long as Jokic is there). He would make sense as a target if we wanted to trade someone like Coby, who I think would get playoff minutes on the Nuggets where they are looking for anyone on the bench who can provide a spark. I haven’t done any trade machine figuring on how that would work, just throwing it out there as an example.