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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#21 » by dougthonus » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:47 pm

drosestruts wrote:These are pretty much pointless - not just AK's, really anyone's end of season press conference.

Matt Ishiba was much more animated, but who cares - results were even worse than ours. He's fired 4 coaches in the past 4 years. 5th times the charm Suns!

There's also rules from the NBA that makes these pointless, I don't think he could even name a player on another team without getting fined, and it'd be awful to say anything negative about a player on your own team.

By the rules - anything you can even say is vague.


I generally agree, but you can still get some type of vibe for someone seeing how they navigate these things. You can get a feel for how smart they are, and what their thought process is. AK has mostly telegraphed his future moves at his press conferences in a number of ways.

This year, he telegraphed standing pat and waiting for the summer of 2026 to do something, which under the circumstances isn't too crazy of a plan, even if it isn't a very creative one.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#22 » by drosestruts » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:55 pm

I also don't really believe in the question about "why are you afraid to take a step back and acquire a high pick as it's the most proven path to improvement"

Again, we have plenty of lottery picks, all of them pretty young too.

Ball - 2 (2017)
Williams - 4 (2020)
Giddey - 6 (2021)
White - 7 (2019)
Collins - 10 (2017)
Smith - 10 (2020)
Buzelis - 11 (2024)

All of these players are 27 or younger.

We pretty much "tanked" between 2017 and 2021. we have 6 top-10 picks over the 5 drafts. We tanked guys!
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#23 » by JimmyButler21 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:00 pm

drosestruts wrote:I also don't really believe in the question about "why are you afraid to take a step back and acquire a high pick as it's the most proven path to improvement"

Again, we have plenty of lottery picks, all of them pretty young too.

Ball - 2 (2017)
Williams - 4 (2020)
Giddey - 6 (2021)
White - 7 (2019)
Collins - 10 (2017)
Smith - 10 (2020)
Buzelis - 11 (2024)

All of these players are 27 or younger.

We pretty much "tanked" between 2017 and 2021. we have 6 top-10 picks over the 5 drafts. We tanked guys!

They never seriously tanked any of those years. It was always a half-ass tank.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#24 » by drosestruts » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:02 pm

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drosestruts wrote:I also don't really believe in the question about "why are you afraid to take a step back and acquire a high pick as it's the most proven path to improvement"

Again, we have plenty of lottery picks, all of them pretty young too.

Ball - 2 (2017)
Williams - 4 (2020)
Giddey - 6 (2021)
White - 7 (2019)
Collins - 10 (2017)
Smith - 10 (2020)
Buzelis - 11 (2024)

All of these players are 27 or younger.

We pretty much "tanked" between 2017 and 2021. we have 6 top-10 picks over the 5 drafts. We tanked guys!

They never seriously tanked any of those years. It was always a half-ass tank.


You're missing my point. We have the draft picks of a team that tanked.

We're a product of the same strategy just done a different way.

The core of our team are all high, top-10 picks over a 5-year period of time.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#25 » by yifsuibfe1 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:06 pm

I just could not care any less about this team
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#26 » by MGB8 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:06 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:I don't mind what AK said. I LIKE what he said about internal development being a focus.

I understand how they feel about a hub center but this won't work if the center cannot defend.

The last attempt was adding bunch of point of attack defenders which was working but our best one that could made it work was Zo.

I hope they move away from that. If Josh and Coby are going to be your starting guards going forward you will need bigger lineup that can defend the rim.

We really do better job at grabbing G-leaguers and turning them into valuable cheap contracts.


What did he say about a hub C? Was it in relation just to the past, or some sign that despite Giddey, he is still looking for one (which would make no real sense, IMO)?
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#27 » by Jcool0 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:10 pm

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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#28 » by Jcool0 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:27 pm

drosestruts wrote:
JimmyButler21 wrote:
drosestruts wrote:I also don't really believe in the question about "why are you afraid to take a step back and acquire a high pick as it's the most proven path to improvement"

Again, we have plenty of lottery picks, all of them pretty young too.

Ball - 2 (2017)
Williams - 4 (2020)
Giddey - 6 (2021)
White - 7 (2019)
Collins - 10 (2017)
Smith - 10 (2020)
Buzelis - 11 (2024)

All of these players are 27 or younger.

We pretty much "tanked" between 2017 and 2021. we have 6 top-10 picks over the 5 drafts. We tanked guys!

They never seriously tanked any of those years. It was always a half-ass tank.


You're missing my point. We have the draft picks of a team that tanked.

We're a product of the same strategy just done a different way.

The core of our team are all high, top-10 picks over a 5-year period of time.


Not all lottery picks are equal. A team of top 10 picks sounds great, when 5 are 6th or later sounds less great. The highest pick in Ball is never going to play more then 60 games a season. Williams at #4 currently isn't an NBA level player.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#29 » by drosestruts » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:39 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
drosestruts wrote:
JimmyButler21 wrote:They never seriously tanked any of those years. It was always a half-ass tank.


You're missing my point. We have the draft picks of a team that tanked.

We're a product of the same strategy just done a different way.

The core of our team are all high, top-10 picks over a 5-year period of time.


Not all lottery picks are equal. A team of top 10 picks sounds great, when 5 are 6th or later sounds less great. The highest pick in Ball is never going to play more then 60 games a season. Williams at #4 currently isn't an NBA level player.


So you like picks up until they become actual players?
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#30 » by MrSparkle » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:41 pm

Is there a shot clock on his EVP job? 24 years?

I've soured on the man, almost entirely. The "stealth smart killer" persona was a good myth. In truth, he's easy to read as a sports manager. I've found myself somewhat correctly predicting his summer and deadline moves. I don't know if his goal is to prove to every player and agent that he does exactly what he says he'll do, but I can guarantee that being an "open book" is not the best way to run a pro sports franchise. (Atleast not every year, for 4Y straight?)

He caught 3 breaks this year with Matas, Giddey and the Zach trade (although the return was not as much a great deal as much as a good bail-out return on a bad max contract). He really needed them. These were about as lucky as the breaks get. You had a talented #6 pick with an underage sex scandal on an elite emerging team that really didn't need his talent set. A top-3 consensus pick who dropped to #11 due to a garbage development team that folded. And of course the equally least winning franchise, the Sacramento Kings, doubling down on their stupid Demar trade by facilitating and absorbing Zach. The crazy thing is he didn't "own" any of these trades. He narrowly passed them with concessions, as far as most commentary went.

I can't fault him for the team laying an egg in the play-in. He did make a deadline move that made the team much more enjoyable for a month and half. At the cost of a decent shot at Cooper Flagg.

The moral, ethical dignity of not tanking is valiant and all, but I'm pretty nervous about this draft. So far, the only good picks AK made were higher projected prospects who slipped majorly on draft night: Ayo and Matas. The Chicago connection almost made them too comically obvious.

Every "under the radar" reach has been a bust or a completely replaceable player (Marko, Pat, Terry, Phillips). I hope the latter 3 become useful for our sake, but AFAIC the kids who visit NBADraft.net are able to draft about as well. (There was a lot of talk about Devin Carter. What a disaster and waste of a lottery pick he would've been, if Matas hadn't dropped.)

So my next prediction, is that if Kasparas does drop to our late lotto slot, he will be our next decent pick. Reasons being the Illini connection, and he was a top-5 consensus pick who dropped to 13 or wherever the hell we go. Secondary option being Malauch, with the Deng connection and also dropping out the consensus. God help us if they're taken, and AK gets cute with his next prospect. I could almost see him skipping on Queen, despite the talent, keeping Vuc, and seeing Queen become a ROY candidate.

Very nervous about Pat's $18m and the Josh negotiations. Not going to sweat it. Not looking for surprises. I do expect a humbling Vuc trade, just because his time is really up. That alone should make us better. I think we're stuck with Pat. The next "rehab value" project. As if we needed more after 2Y of re-signing Zach and Vuc and immediately being incapable of trading them for anything remotely enticing.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#31 » by League Circles » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:57 pm

DuckIII wrote:
kodo wrote:"Patience" = run it back.


I'm more or less okay with that. I'd in fact be pleasantly surprised if he does that and only that. Because despite our finish to the season I believe a team that purely runs this back plus a rookie is a bottom 10 team and we could use another year in the lottery at least.

Just to be clear, despite playing way better after the Zach trade, you expect us to be worse overall without him for the entire season?

My expectation is that we'd yet again be in the 35-45 win territory. The essence of mediocrity.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#32 » by League Circles » Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:01 am

dougthonus wrote:
drosestruts wrote:These are pretty much pointless - not just AK's, really anyone's end of season press conference.

Matt Ishiba was much more animated, but who cares - results were even worse than ours. He's fired 4 coaches in the past 4 years. 5th times the charm Suns!

There's also rules from the NBA that makes these pointless, I don't think he could even name a player on another team without getting fined, and it'd be awful to say anything negative about a player on your own team.

By the rules - anything you can even say is vague.


I generally agree, but you can still get some type of vibe for someone seeing how they navigate these things. You can get a feel for how smart they are, and what their thought process is. AK has mostly telegraphed his future moves at his press conferences in a number of ways.

This year, he telegraphed standing pat and waiting for the summer of 2026 to do something, which under the circumstances isn't too crazy of a plan, even if it isn't a very creative one.


In fairness, everyone including Helen Keller could accurately predict our summer. All you have to do is look at the contract status of everybody on the roster.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#33 » by kodo » Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:16 am

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TBH, he doesn't even look like he believes the words coming out of his own mouth.

We've had reports that ownership would fully support a tank & rebuild, I'm wondering how true that is because that's never been the case about our ownership since the Krause tank disaster.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#34 » by kodo » Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:33 am

drosestruts wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
drosestruts wrote:
You're missing my point. We have the draft picks of a team that tanked.

We're a product of the same strategy just done a different way.

The core of our team are all high, top-10 picks over a 5-year period of time.


Not all lottery picks are equal. A team of top 10 picks sounds great, when 5 are 6th or later sounds less great. The highest pick in Ball is never going to play more then 60 games a season. Williams at #4 currently isn't an NBA level player.


So you like picks up until they become actual players?


I actually think the picking up devalued former high pick players is an underrated strategy. I was thrilled with both the Lonzo and Giddey acquisitions. And TBH, they've been probably the two most impactful players we've gotten vs our own draft picks like PWill & Terry. We'll see about Matas...although he really should have been #5.

At the Giddey trade I said it's like we traded an expiring Caruso for a #6 pick, you could normally get nothing close to that. The best offer for a pick we know 100% was offered was 24, that's nowhere close to Giddey. The downside is you have to pay that #6 pick sooner, but it's still a huge win overall.

While Giddey isn't on this level, trading for top picks still in their rookie contracts like SGA, Haliburton has been as good as lucking into the top 5. It's just really rare for teams to be that dumb.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#35 » by dougthonus » Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:46 am

League Circles wrote:In fairness, everyone including Helen Keller could accurately predict our summer. All you have to do is look at the contract status of everybody on the roster.


Maybe, we have a ton of expiring salary, so possible we could do something to facilitate trades and acquire assets at the cost of 2026 cap space.
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Post#36 » by boozapalooza » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:06 am

ChettheJet wrote:I think the legit question was if DEN had contacted him about their opening. Next was mentioning that BRK looks like the only team with cap space to sign Giddey.

Some here make Joe Cowley look like the NBA Professor. Did you really think he was going to lay out the plan the day after they lose another play in? Were you shocked he didn't name the 12 players he was going to be trying to trade for? Nor did he throw the guys on the roster under the bus that he wants to ship out. The more I read here the more I like the current AK approach. I've endorsed it before and now he's talking about getting young guys with experience who maybe have gotten pushed down the bench and see if they can find a role. A lot of times a new regime takes over (that list is just starting to grow) and they either lust after big names and think a big turnaround is going to happen or they want to tank and love draft picks.

Look at how the Bulls style changed when Giddey got the ball, and Coby became a SG. Collins, Huerter and Jones really opened things up. I'm looking to move Vucevic to get a couple more young guys who can continue the change. You can't rule out anything because you don't know what new VP/GM might call looking to move young veterans they inherited and want expiring contracts


I think we have something to build around with Coby/Giddey/Matas. We need to find a way to turn the rest of our assets into 1 or 2 more foundational pieces.

Im looking to move Vuc, Ayo, Huerter and draft capital for a high level piece. Likely would have to be a guy on a team who wants out of his contract, preferably for tanking purposes. Easier said than done, I know. Zion Williamson be the dream. Couldnt tell you where his true trade value is around the league given how many games hes missed. Maybe the Luka deal has gotten my hopes up that the cost isnt as big as it should be.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#37 » by League Circles » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:09 am

dougthonus wrote:
League Circles wrote:In fairness, everyone including Helen Keller could accurately predict our summer. All you have to do is look at the contract status of everybody on the roster.


Maybe, we have a ton of expiring salary, so possible we could do something to facilitate trades and acquire assets at the cost of 2026 cap space.


Yeah it's just cause the only practical type of trade - several smaller contracts for one or two larger contracts, is one that we probably shouldn't do (think Vuc trade part 2). The reverse is highly unlikely because I doubt unless it's some miracle trade for a star, taking back more guys than we send out means cutting players with guaranteed deals, which is just not likely with this ownership by much for long.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#38 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:15 am

dougthonus wrote:
League Circles wrote:In fairness, everyone including Helen Keller could accurately predict our summer. All you have to do is look at the contract status of everybody on the roster.


Maybe, we have a ton of expiring salary, so possible we could do something to facilitate trades and acquire assets at the cost of 2026 cap space.


But why do that? No one is giving us lottery pick to take a bad contract. I’d rather use that money on actual good players in 2026 whether through free agency or trades.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#39 » by Chi town » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:16 am

HIGHLIGHT of the presser…

Gottlieb asks a question and AK says “you picked us to have 28 wins and we had 39.”

He reads and watches everything.
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Re: End of Season Press Conference 

Post#40 » by kodo » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:22 am

I liked Ishbia's press conference:
"Embarrassing season. Disappointed. Awful. No one is proud of it. No one is happy with it. Everyone is disappointed. It's a failure.
We didn't do a good enough job and we have to do everything differently and change. There's no running from that."

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