Cowley: Bulls Zoned in on Demin at 12

[boozapalooza]

I like how he elevated BYU this past season.

He averaged 9.8 points on 38/22/66 with 5.5 assists and 3.2 TOV in 27 MPG in conference play. He shot 3-13 total in BYU's two conference tournament games. Played better in the NCAA Tournament. Not sure how much he elevated BYU this year.

In their first season in the high major Big 12, they made it to the conference championship and their first sweet 16 since the Jimmer days. Hes a guy who impacts winning more than stats. High IQ

[TheSuzerain]

He shot in the 60s from the FT line.

Talking about Duncan Robinson lmao

[dougthonus]

I guess the good news is that they aren't focused on Queen.

Maybe they see Demin has improved his shot? Maybe they have a S&T lined-up for a star for Giddey?

The one thing that AK hasn't done IIRC is put out misleading signals regarding his interest.

If he is impressing teams during the pre-draft process, maybe he is also impressing some team ahead of us.

All this.

Demin will never be a plus defender or able to get his own shot. He would have to become an elite movement shooter and passable on D. Both big asks. His median outcome is taller Kevin Huerter. His passing would be fun with Giddey but I don’t know how you can play them together on D.

I’m fine with Demin if Coward Noa KJ and Fleming are gone. They won’t be. Like Demin iver Queen which isn’t saying much.

Demin is a cream puff. No athletic advantage. Has nothing off the bounce. Our hope would be the 3 ball. There is a real chance hes Duncan Robinson

I don't know why you think he could never be a plus defender, most profiles I've read seem to think he's a solid defender now that has great instincts and enough athleticism to defend at the NBA level. Not saying he's all-defense team, but he seems to have enough defensive upside / instincts that I think you should project him out to be at least average on that end.

I also thin it's a bit early to say he can never get his own shot, probably isn't going to develop into a 1A scoring option, but I think there's enough upside there with his ball handling that if he develops as a shooter that he could easily end up being a guy who can get his own looks in the future. I wouldn't say he projects into being a good shot creator, but it's definitely within the range of reasonable outcomes.

In some ways as a prospect he reminds me of how I thought of Matas in that there's a good chance he's going to be nothing in the NBA, but with the right improvements he could be really good, because a lot of the more difficult traits to find are there, and you're really betting on him improving as a shooter.

[Evil_Headband]

I don't have an issue with Demin. The shot might come around. Buzelis was terrible shooting in the G-League.

I'm happy they wouldn't consider Queen. I don't want another terrible on defense C. I don't like any of the centers in this draft.

[TheSuzerain]

Queen is a better 4 prospect than Demin is.

[Evil_Headband]

Watch on YouTube

[dougthonus]

He shot in the 60s from the FT line.

Talking about Duncan Robinson lmao

He shot 69.5% from the FT line, certainly don't disagree with your point, but come one Describing that as 60s seems like going out of your way to try to make it seem even worse than the already not good reality.

[Chi town]

I guess the good news is that they aren't focused on Queen.

Maybe they see Demin has improved his shot? Maybe they have a S&T lined-up for a star for Giddey?

The one thing that AK hasn't done IIRC is put out misleading signals regarding his interest.

If he is impressing teams during the pre-draft process, maybe he is also impressing some team ahead of us.

All this.

Demin will never be a plus defender or able to get his own shot. He would have to become an elite movement shooter and passable on D. Both big asks. His median outcome is taller Kevin Huerter. His passing would be fun with Giddey but I don’t know how you can play them together on D.

I’m fine with Demin if Coward Noa KJ and Fleming are gone. They won’t be. Like Demin iver Queen which isn’t saying much.

Demin is a cream puff. No athletic advantage. Has nothing off the bounce. Our hope would be the 3 ball. There is a real chance hes Duncan Robinson

I don't know why you think he could never be a plus defender, most profiles I've read seem to think he's a solid defender now that has great instincts and enough athleticism to defend at the NBA level. Not saying he's all-defense team, but he seems to have enough defensive upside / instincts that I think you should project him out to be at least average on that end.

I also thin it's a bit early to say he can never get his own shot, probably isn't going to develop into a 1A scoring option, but I think there's enough upside there with his ball handling that if he develops as a shooter that he could easily end up being a guy who can get his own looks in the future. I wouldn't say he projects into being a good shot creator, but it's definitely within the range of reasonable outcomes.

In some ways as a prospect he reminds me of how I thought of Matas in that there's a good chance he's going to be nothing in the NBA, but with the right improvements he could be really good, because a lot of the more difficult traits to find are there, and you're really betting on him improving as a shooter.

Buz has much more athleticism and hops.

I’ve watched lots of tape and Demin isn’t strong, fast, or explosive. He’s smart. Much like Huerter with very similar profile. Herro toasted Huerter. No chance. Demin would be even worse.

A 6’9 Huerter isn’t bad but Demin has a long ways to go to become that.

He has to become a really good shooter so he can use his handle to attack closeouts. I fully expect teams to leave him wide open for a long time before they start respecting his 3 ball.

We need athletes and defense. Demin is not that.

Don’t see how Giddey and Demin can ever be on the floor without a great rim protector.

[TheSuzerain]

He shot in the 60s from the FT line.

Talking about Duncan Robinson lmao

He shot 69.5% from the FT line, certainly don't disagree with your point, but come one Describing that as 60s seems like going out of your way to try to make it seem even worse than the already not good reality.

The take was so ridiculous that I couldn’t help myself.

[dougthonus]

Buz has much more athleticism and hops.

Agreed.

I’ve watched lots of tape and Demin isn’t strong, fast, or explosive. He’s smart. Much like Huerter with very similar profile. Herro toasted Huerter. No chance. Demin would be even worse.

He seems to be a smart defender though and has good Size. I think Lonzo Ball or Ricky Rubio as comps.

He has to become a really good shooter so he can use his handle to attack closeouts. I fully expect teams to leave him wide open for a long time before they start respecting his 3 ball.

We need athletes and defense. Demin is not that.

Well we need great players more than anything else. I'm not saying Demin is going to be a great player, but anyone at 12 is going to need to fix some stuff to be there. I think Demin has an easier path to be great than some other guys, because the instincts are there, but he would still need to make some unlikely leaps for it to happen, and if he doesn't make those leaps his floor is a lot less interesting than other guys for us.

Don’t see how Giddey and Demin can ever be on the floor without a great rim protector.

Not sure how these guys fit together either unless Demin becomes a much better shooter too. Of course, that's a problem with building with Giddey as a core piece with many players.

[burlydee]

I find it hard to believe that there won't be better players available at 12. AK tends to fall for this archetype - tall combo guard who can throw some nice passes but with a questionable shot - Giddey, Ball, Terry. I wonder how many of these guys you need on one team. Someone has to actually put the ball in the basket.

6'8-6'9 guys who can handle the ball will always have a path in this league. But what is his path to the floor? Worry about how Bulls would develop the 6th guard on the roster.

[Indomitable]

#1, I completely trust this info. The Bulls have a tendency to decide on a guy and then broadcast it.

#2, this guy would have a lot of work to do to be good at an NBA level but he is starting with a good base

He allows you to trade Giddey or Coby. Plus it saves on cap space.

[burlydee]

Buz has much more athleticism and hops.

Agreed.

I’ve watched lots of tape and Demin isn’t strong, fast, or explosive. He’s smart. Much like Huerter with very similar profile. Herro toasted Huerter. No chance. Demin would be even worse.

He seems to be a smart defender though and has good Size. I think Lonzo Ball or Ricky Rubio as comps.

He has to become a really good shooter so he can use his handle to attack closeouts. I fully expect teams to leave him wide open for a long time before they start respecting his 3 ball.

We need athletes and defense. Demin is not that.

Well we need great players more than anything else. I'm not saying Demin is going to be a great player, but anyone at 12 is going to need to fix some stuff to be there. I think Demin has an easier path to be great than some other guys, because the instincts are there, but he would still need to make some unlikely leaps for it to happen, and if he doesn't make those leaps his floor is a lot less interesting than other guys for us.

Don’t see how Giddey and Demin can ever be on the floor without a great rim protector.

Not sure how these guys fit together either unless Demin becomes a much better shooter too. Of course, that's a problem with building with Giddey as a core piece with many players.

I don't see his path to stardom. He'd have to really up his ability to score. I don't see how his instincts are necessarily all that. He's a good passer and he's 6'9. But i think people are holding on pass evaluations. He simply wasn't that good for BYU and that was a team that should have played to his strengths. Uptempo, tons of athletes, and tons of other ball handlers. He's a ways away imo. Not as close to being on the court as Buz.

[burlydee]

#1, I completely trust this info. The Bulls have a tendency to decide on a guy and then broadcast it.

#2, this guy would have a lot of work to do to be good at an NBA level but he is starting with a good base

He allows you to trade Giddey or Coby. Plus it saves on cap space.

Only if he is better than them. Which he won't be for at least 3 years, if ever.

[Indomitable]

#1, I completely trust this info. The Bulls have a tendency to decide on a guy and then broadcast it.

#2, this guy would have a lot of work to do to be good at an NBA level but he is starting with a good base

He allows you to trade Giddey or Coby. Plus it saves on cap space.

Only if he is better than them. Which he won't be for at least 3 years, if ever.

You act like they are about compete.

I want Coward or a player that fits. I feel the front office is just trying to extend their time frame.

In what world is the 12th pick will be better then Coby or Giddey.
They will do this to buy time.

[burlydee]

He allows you to trade Giddey or Coby. Plus it saves on cap space.

Only if he is better than them. Which he won't be for at least 3 years, if ever.

You act like they are about compete.

I want Coward or a player that fits. I feel the front office is just trying to extend their time frame.

In what world is the 12th pick will be better then Coby or Giddey.
They will do this to buy time.

I don't think he'll ever be better than Giddey or Coby, certainly not in time to justify trading either one. I don't see it. He shot 27% from 3 last year. Get a guy with a higher upside. Bonus they may actually compliment the players already on the team.

[coldfish]

#1, I completely trust this info. The Bulls have a tendency to decide on a guy and then broadcast it.

#2, this guy would have a lot of work to do to be good at an NBA level but he is starting with a good base

He allows you to trade Giddey or Coby. Plus it saves on cap space.

He isn't going to be anything in the NBA for years. If he allows you to trade Giddey or Coby then you can trade Giddey or Coby now with nothing.

I have looked around and none of the guys who might be available at 12 impress me. All of them have major holes that they are going to have to spend years working on to fix. If they think Demin is the guy most likely to do that, then fine. I just don't see anyone available as being a big contributor next year.

Not going to be popular, or maybe it will be, but if Buzelis was available in this draft he would be top 5. This really doesn't seem like a particularly good draft year.

[Jcool0]

All this.

Demin will never be a plus defender or able to get his own shot. He would have to become an elite movement shooter and passable on D. Both big asks. His median outcome is taller Kevin Huerter. His passing would be fun with Giddey but I don’t know how you can play them together on D.

I’m fine with Demin if Coward Noa KJ and Fleming are gone. They won’t be. Like Demin iver Queen which isn’t saying much.

Demin is a cream puff. No athletic advantage. Has nothing off the bounce. Our hope would be the 3 ball. There is a real chance hes Duncan Robinson

I don't know why you think he could never be a plus defender, most profiles I've read seem to think he's a solid defender now that has great instincts and enough athleticism to defend at the NBA level. Not saying he's all-defense team, but he seems to have enough defensive upside / instincts that I think you should project him out to be at least average on that end.

I also thin it's a bit early to say he can never get his own shot, probably isn't going to develop into a 1A scoring option, but I think there's enough upside there with his ball handling that if he develops as a shooter that he could easily end up being a guy who can get his own looks in the future. I wouldn't say he projects into being a good shot creator, but it's definitely within the range of reasonable outcomes.

In some ways as a prospect he reminds me of how I thought of Matas in that there's a good chance he's going to be nothing in the NBA, but with the right improvements he could be really good, because a lot of the more difficult traits to find are there, and you're really betting on him improving as a shooter.

Buz has much more athleticism and hops.

I’ve watched lots of tape and Demin isn’t strong, fast, or explosive. He’s smart. Much like Huerter with very similar profile. Herro toasted Huerter. No chance. Demin would be even worse.

A 6’9 Huerter isn’t bad but Demin has a long ways to go to become that.

He has to become a really good shooter so he can use his handle to attack closeouts. I fully expect teams to leave him wide open for a long time before they start respecting his 3 ball.

We need athletes and defense. Demin is not that.

Don’t see how Giddey and Demin can ever be on the floor without a great rim protector.

Demin has a better shot to become the GOAT then a ++ 3 PT shooter. I dont get the Huerter comp at all. They aren't even remotely similar players. His comp is Giddey.

[Jcool0]

I like how he elevated BYU this past season.

He averaged 9.8 points on 38/22/66 with 5.5 assists and 3.2 TOV in 27 MPG in conference play. He shot 3-13 total in BYU's two conference tournament games. Played better in the NCAA Tournament. Not sure how much he elevated BYU this year.

In their first season in the high major Big 12, they made it to the conference championship and their first sweet 16 since the Jimmer days. Hes a guy who impacts winning more than stats. High IQ

In there one win in the conference tournament a 96-92 win vs Iowa St, Demin had 3 points 3 rebounds and 3 assists in 20 minutes. He shot 1-4 (was 1-3 from 3), attempts no FTs and had 4 TOVs.

[Indomitable]

#1, I completely trust this info. The Bulls have a tendency to decide on a guy and then broadcast it.

#2, this guy would have a lot of work to do to be good at an NBA level but he is starting with a good base

He allows you to trade Giddey or Coby. Plus it saves on cap space.

He isn't going to be anything in the NBA for years. If he allows you to trade Giddey or Coby then you can trade Giddey or Coby now with nothing.

I have looked around and none of the guys who might be available at 12 impress me. All of them have major holes that they are going to have to spend years working on to fix. If they think Demin is the guy most likely to do that, then fine. I just don't see anyone available as being a big contributor next year.

Not going to be popular, or maybe it will be, but if Buzelis was available in this draft he would be top 5. This really doesn't seem like a particularly good draft year.

I am looking for a defensive wing. I believe the Front office are people trying to protect their jobs and sell the masses on hope.

I am talking about them selling us something. I am not for this move. I prefer a wing that can actually do what Pat was suppose to do.

Get us a a big man that can rim protect and we are in the mix in my opinion.

I love what the Pacers are doing. Rick Carlisle is an extraordinary coach and has those players believing.