Is it time we discuss Isaac Okoro?

[ChettheJet]

Yes Okoro had a +17 so he played well but didn't score, Matas scored 21 and was a team worst -10 in 33 minutes, should he have not played as much? That's a worthless stat that some people love for whatever reason.

I hope Billy's reasoning behind starting Okoro is to add defense to the starting 5when Coby is healthy. They give up scoring from Okoro while he covers the defense that Giddey and White don't provide. I think this could work if they turn Patrick loose off the bench and he combines with Jones and Huerter to provide more shooting. 81 games to see how it shakes out.

[Red Larrivee]

Yes Okoro had a +17 so he played well but didn't score, Matas scored 21 and was a team worst -10 in 33 minutes, should he have not played as much? That's a worthless stat that some people love for whatever reason.

I hope Billy's reasoning behind starting Okoro is to add defense to the starting 5when Coby is healthy. They give up scoring from Okoro while he covers the defense that Giddey and White don't provide. I think this could work if they turn Patrick loose off the bench and he combines with Jones and Huerter to provide more shooting. 81 games to see how it shakes out.

Okoro is a very good man-to-man defender, and his 3P shot is much improved.

He's a logical fit on paper in a lineup so that you can cross match Giddey onto a weaker player and he doesn't need to dribble to create on court value.

But he can't be completely useless offensively either. He moved the ball well at least and didn't take any bad shots. He just wasn't a threat, which can't happen.

[DuallyNoted]

Nothing about his playstyle or sporting ability just himself in general. how is he doing what are his feelings?

Aquarius. Recently he has taken up pilates. He also enjoys activities related to boating, such as fishing, spearfishing, snorkeling, and scuba diving, and he is an avid reader

i knew it!

[sco]

He more or less shut down a supertar all night long last night. Not sure what everyone is upset about here. He was great on defense the vast majority of the game. Cade Cunningham looked like he was going to cry at half time. Even at the end when Cade was scoring, his defense was solid positionally. He had a few really great passes, and while he didn't score he also didn't take a bunch of bad shots or anything. I'm not sure what you expected out of Okoro, but the Bulls get their asses kicked last night if he didn't play, so not sure what the complaints are.

I'm not suggesting Okoro was a stud, but he was good in his role and just fine for an 8M dollar player. Like in comparison, Jalen Smith was basically unplayable.

I think people underestimate how long it takes for low utilization perimeter players take to become efficient in a new system. I'm fine giving him until the ASB to find his offensive game.

As Doug said, I think Okoro's stat line understated a strong defensive performance, but his +- stat tells a different story. IMO, if we start Vuc, we may need two defensive studs in the starting line-up. Last night the Jones/Okoro pairing did a heck of a job out there. I'm not so sure if we had White out there (with Vuc) that we win the game.

The Bogans example is somewhat apt here. I think someone noted that his year we were a very good team despite his offense. IMO, there really aren't a lot of shots out there for your 4th/5th option guys, so the value gained by adding more defense is much higher vs. another offensively skilled player.

[Seccci]

I view bulls core as Giddey/Matas.for now until another person steps up. VUC is good for now, but there's just no future there. White and ayo have to be signed again, which i prefer we get clear upgrade at SG
Everyone else is on evaluation how they fit/enable these guys strengths and help mitigate weaknesses.
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I'm fine with okoro actually, as he puts Pat on bench where he belongs, gets Huerter on bench where he is needed to space floor.
okoro helps hide Giddey from opponents top on ball threat, and he surprisingly moves the ball well on offense/ knows his role.

Just wish he would let it fly from corner 3 4-5x a game, if gets them 35% or better clip, it's a win for bulls as he enables rest of lineup to get theirs in the flow. He must be a threat or team will start to play passing lanes from his side, we will get mega amount turnovers from telegraphed drive and kicks.
0 pts is unacceptable no matter the defense, at least get the ole bogans 6

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Yes Okoro had a +17 so he played well but didn't score, Matas scored 21 and was a team worst -10 in 33 minutes, should he have not played as much? That's a worthless stat that some people love for whatever reason.

I hope Billy's reasoning behind starting Okoro is to add defense to the starting 5when Coby is healthy. They give up scoring from Okoro while he covers the defense that Giddey and White don't provide. I think this could work if they turn Patrick loose off the bench and he combines with Jones and Huerter to provide more shooting. 81 games to see how it shakes out.

this is why +/- stats aren't helpful.

also, i think my fellow f=10 users didn't read the thread topic and are derailing this thread. i think he has a cool haircut. his name backwards is oroko which is almost a palindrome. his pops is named godwin.

[pipfan]

I love defense, so I hope he works out. I think it was a good gamble. Maybe it's a bust, but Ball was such a tease and will get hurt again. He was my favorite Bull after Caruso for the last few years, but we couldn't rely on him

If Okoro is bad, he's a $10 million expiring next year to use

[DuallyNoted]

I made this as a joke thread about overreactions after one game didn't think it'd be taken seriously. So how do you guys feel about uhhh Jalen Smith? i think that's someone on the team.

[Rose2Boozer]

Okoro is a defense first reserve starter. If he's giving the best perimeter scorer on opposing teams hell, and making open shots for twenty minutes, it's job well done. Ultimately, I think the starting three belongs to Matas, and Okoro and Terry are competing for the opportunity to be his backup. Terry has to show he's just as good of a defender, just as good of a outside shooter, and be cheaper than eleven million dollars.

[_txchilibowl_]

Burn it all down.

[BullChit]

Issacc Bogans FTW...

[Muzbar]

Issacc Bogans FTW...

As an Aussie, I prefer Keith Okoro.

[WesPeace]

Okoro is a defense first reserve starter. If he's giving the best perimeter scorer on opposing teams hell, and making open shots for twenty minutes, it's job well done. Ultimately, I think the starting three belongs to Matas, and Okoro and Terry are competing for the opportunity to be his backup. Terry has to show he's just as good of a defender, just as good of a outside shooter, and be cheaper than eleven million dollars.

Starting 3 should be battle between Williams and Huerter to be honest.
Matas belongs to PF, because of skills, IQ, lenght and defensive instincts

[sco]

Okoro is a defense first reserve starter. If he's giving the best perimeter scorer on opposing teams hell, and making open shots for twenty minutes, it's job well done. Ultimately, I think the starting three belongs to Matas, and Okoro and Terry are competing for the opportunity to be his backup. Terry has to show he's just as good of a defender, just as good of a outside shooter, and be cheaper than eleven million dollars.

Starting 3 should be battle between Williams and Huerter to be honest.
Matas belongs to PF, because of skills, IQ, lenght and defensive instincts

In terms of Matas at the 3 or 4, I think his quickness and length will let him play either. I think it will have zero impact on his role on either end. The fact that Giddey is better suited to guard forwards, I think our focus should be having someone added to the starting line-up that defends guards.

[terry]

Okoro had a Tony Snell type of opening game. 0 points in 23 minutes. But I guess played defense.

[PaKii94]

Frustrating games so far for him but he should be better than this. Remember giddey took time to adjust too. Give him some time.

But idk if he should continue starting

[BullChit]

Issacc Bogans FTW...

As an Aussie, I prefer Keith Okoro.

As a fellow Aussie I support the amendment

[GoBlue72391]

If he makes it 3 games in a row without scoring it's officially panic time. Even Bogans and Pat never pulled that off.

I do appreciate his hustle though.

[Indomitable]

If he makes it 3 games in a row without scoring it's officially panic time. Even Bogans and Pat never pulled that off.

I do appreciate his hustle though.

Pat never went back to back games without scoring

[GoBlue72391]

If he makes it 3 games in a row without scoring it's officially panic time. Even Bogans and Pat never pulled that off.

I do appreciate his hustle though.

Pat never went back to back games without scoring

Bogans did though.