Am I the only one that doesnt want Pau?

[Jordan45822]

I wouldn't trade Deng for Gasol either but for the right shooting guard or small foward I would. But not for Gasol.

[DuckIII]

I wouldn't involve Deng in any Gasol trades, I'm pretty much in love with Luol.

Agreed. I don't consider Deng untouchable. But I do pretty much consider him untouchable in a Pau trade since I consider him to be the better player and he's 5 years younger.

Not to mention that its practically a given that Chapu would have to be involved to make salaries work. So that completely guts us at small forward.

[Shill]

I'd prefer not to trade for Pau, because I'm in the "blow it up" camp.

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd rather go with the youth movement to see if these guys can really play.

Pau gets us into the playoffs, but it's over in the 2nd round.

[Dr. Lechter]

Let's say we do get Pau for Tyrus, Noc and a pick or something else. What then? Who (realistically) gets what minutes? Would this put us in a "playoff" mentality and try to win games?

As I see it, if we did get that trade we would be playing:

C-Gasol
PF-Wallace
SF-Deng
SG-Gordon
PG-Kirk if healthy and Duhon otherwise

So then you have Joe Smith and Noah off the bench. Who backs up Deng? Thabo?

[Rerisen]

Gasol has started to play alot better the last few games + the owner knows that teams are in need of a low post scorer...they won't accept TT+Nocioni...no way. But I am pretty sure Paxson is with you guys and won't offer more.

here we come mediocrity. lets add another 10-16 pick this year and waste another season next year....

I'm all for these 'on the cheap' deals if they can happen. I just don't think they will. So if it took Deng (and no other major pieces) then I do it.

If we don't want to part with Deng, who most teams want, then we are pretty much declaring we are building around him as our star. Which still leaves about 9 teams just in the East with a better 'best player' than us. And a few more teams about equal. You have to assemble quite a group of talented players to start overcoming that head start those other teams have on you at that point. Not that a star grants you automatic success (see Miami) but the so-called Piston model is beginning to look just as difficult to realistically build as the star one, only its history of success is even less.

[#1TKfan]

memphis will most likely ask for the world for pau again. i say pursue brand for next year.

[DanTown8587]

Really, in the last 25 years or so in the NBA, one team won a championship without an uber-talent superstar (The Pistons) but when they won it, they had Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Tashayn Prince, Richard Hamilton, a younger Ben Wallace, Mehmet Okur, Mike James, Corlis Williamson who gave solid minutes. That was a pretty talented top 8 and they beat a more talented team but also more individualistic team in the Lakers. So I really feel like trading Deng only to get another superstar, or else we still don't have the talent to win the title.

[Kakali]

Pau ain't the answer. I know many won't like this but i'd rather have TT, Noah and co. and develop them rather than rushing for a guy who's paid like a superstar but isn't.
Sure he fills a need, but i'd rather wait, let the young guys develop and hope that a real star falls into our laps.

[cboksa]

Pau ain't the answer. I know many won't like this but i'd rather have TT, Noah and co. and develop them rather than rushing for a guy who's paid like a superstar but isn't.
Sure he fills a need, but i'd rather wait, let the young guys develop and hope that a real star falls into our laps.

whos the answer then?????

we cant get kobe no more, mcgrady is too injury prone, the only guy that can help us right now is GASOL. What about going after zach randolph? Randolph could help us down low. Ben Wallace for Randolph, or lets try to get David lee
for 1st round pick and thabo. The time for the Bulls to do something is now, we cant wait no longer.

[molepharmer]

I'm not a big fan of Pau Gasol.

Any interest I would have in acquiring him would be immediately dropped if the Bulls starting lineup would become:

Wallace
Gasol
Deng
Kirk
?

Can anybody suggesting getting Gasol honestly say the possibilty of Wallace remaining the starter is little to none ???

Before trading anybody, I'd prefer to see how well the Bulls could play with Wallace's minutes severely limited.

[Red Larrivee]

Like already said, if we have to give up Deng, I want no part. Because I think Deng will be better than Gasol. But if it's the right mix of players, then yea, I'll take him. He fills a hole that we desperately need to compete, and he'll make the offense easier for everyone. Inside/Out Offense.

[Rerisen]

I have heard Deng is (or is going to be) better than Gasol since early last year. So far no signs. He's in his 4th year already. Gasol has improved slightly from his 4th year, but is more or less the same player, so why wouldn't Deng be in a few years as well?

Anyway, I hope it happens soon. Here is Gasol's last 3 games.

19 pts, 12 rbs, 5 asts
21 pts, 18 rbs, 8 asts, 4 blks
43 pts, 11 rbs

Sure looks like production we could use. Especially from a big man since we get everything from the perimeter right now, including when Deng has a big night.

[fuzion]

I would let Deng go. We already have Nocioni. Deng may be better just because he's younger. But Gasol is a good low-post scorer.....those types of players are hard to find. SF, like Deng, are more common. Not to say Deng isn't good, it's just that Nocioni can be a good stop gap before finding another SF. This is our chance to get a good low-post scorer that we haven't found for how many years. do it.

[coldfish]

Would I trade Deng for Gasol? Probably, but I'm not really high on it. Since you can't trade the two for each other straight up, its a moot question though. Chicago has virtually no filler on the team. Every contract has some value other than Wallace, who memphis would not take.

I really can't see any trade where the Bulls give up Deng + $8M of valuable pieces for Gasol and I would be happy.

In summary, stop talking about Deng for Gasol unless you describe who exactly that filler is.

I'm all for these 'on the cheap' deals if they can happen. I just don't think they will. So if it took Deng (and no other major pieces) then I do it.

If we don't want to part with Deng, who most teams want, then we are pretty much declaring we are building around him as our star. Which still leaves about 9 teams just in the East with a better 'best player' than us. And a few more teams about equal. You have to assemble quite a group of talented players to start overcoming that head start those other teams have on you at that point. Not that a star grants you automatic success (see Miami) but the so-called Piston model is beginning to look just as difficult to realistically build as the star one, only its history of success is even less.

OK, I agree with that, but you just shot to hell the idea of trading for Gasol.
Garnett, Lebron, Howard, Wade and Bosh are all definitely better than Gasol in the east and there are several other guys who its arguable.

Essentially, if you trade for Gasol, you are saying that we are building around HIM as a star and, for all the reasons you state, that just doesn't cut it.

IMO, a team with Gasol is closer to a Pistons type team with Rasheed than a star based team. As I said before, Gasol for Deng works for me in theory, but the reality of the deal would move Chicago further away from both the superstar and pistons model.

Based on most objective analysis here, the answer is that you trade Deng, just for a better player than Pau.

[DuckIII]

I have heard Deng is (or is going to be) better than Gasol since early last year. So far no signs. He's in his 4th year already. Gasol has improved slightly from his 4th year, but is more or less the same player, so why wouldn't Deng be in a few years as well?

For starters, Pau was 2 years older in his 4th season than Deng is in his.

And actually, right now Pau is regressing statistically across the boards and is having little impact on his team's ability to win games. And his offensive production, which is not much different than Deng's, has come as the centerpiece of his team's offense - the first option. Deng has never been this team's first option.

That 5 year gap between Deng and Gasol is a pretty big deal to me. A deal breaker, in fact, given how close they are to one another in quality today. Over the coming years the gap between Deng and Gasol is going to widen, and not in a good way for the team that doesn't have Deng on its roster.

I am very much interested in acquiring Pau Gasol. I'd give up more than a lot of you, I'd wager. But not Deng.

[Rerisen]

Based on most objective analysis here, the answer is that you trade Deng, just for a better player than Pau.

I'm down with that if possible too. But If you think Pau is better than Deng (like I do) and also can help your other players become better (like I do) then it makes sense to move up that best players list if you can. Even if its not all the way to the top.

If you are waiting on getting LeBron or Wade or Kobe, I think that is a recipe for inaction, and the same as saying we are building around Deng, because I don't think those guys are coming here. And anyone else we trade for is not going to be as good either, obviously.

I really can't see any trade where the Bulls give up Deng + $8M of valuable pieces for Gasol and I would be happy.

What about Deng + Joe + Duhon for Gasol and Navarro?

[Rerisen]

I am very much interested in acquiring Pau Gasol. I'd give up more than a lot of you, I'd wager. But not Deng

I think we might actually be in agreement in the order of deals we would like to see for Gasol. Our only difference is if the final and only one possible is Deng, you don't do it and I probably would.

But if it can happen for less than that (and also not all our young/established talent) then I would be happy too.

[The Evidence]

Deng isn't superstar, nor will he ever be one. Quit fooling yourselves people.

[ATRAIN53]

i just don't see where he fits in with Wallace and Gray. Memphis isn't going to want Wallace so 2 CTRs at 15-20mil per year on Paxsons roster?

i don't see it.

the Bulls don't even play a legit post game to get the ball to a guy like Gasol.

if they did Gray has shown that he is capable of playing the post. who says he can't be a Gasol if you give him minutes.

but i would trade him for Deng if that was on the table.

[DuckIII]

Deng isn't superstar, nor will he ever be one. Quit fooling yourselves people.

Please cite the post in this thread referring to him as a superstar.