Bucks Fan: Question about Thabo/Thomas availability

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Right now, yes. But in a few years you'd be kicking yourself wondering how in the hell did we trade two players, one that hasn't even begun to scratch the surface yet, for a guy we knew exactly what we were getting, which again, isn't all that much offensively.

I wouldn't do it.

Don't even think about seriously talking about a Bogut for TT/Thabo.

That is hilarity at its finest.

I mean seriously? We're not trading Bogut. Period.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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ugghh. terrible.

I'd be curious to know why.

Both were top ten lottery picks

Both are big men.

CV is a more natural power forward who can score inside and out

TT is a more 3/4 combo forward who can block shots and create steals

TT is a putrid offensive player

CV is a putrid defensive player

Both have attitude issues

Both have motivation issues

Both have intelligence issues

[75totheMACCfund]

bogut and yi are untouchable. I don't think the bulls and bucks work as trading partners...

[dougthonus]

TT + Duhon for Bogut + Royal Ivey.

Though if push came to shove, I'd probably give up Thabo + Tyrus for Bogut as well.

[EastSideBucksFan]

TT + Duhon for Bogut + Royal Ivey.

Though if push came to shove, I'd probably give up Thabo + Tyrus for Bogut as well.

Bogut is untouchable


We wouldn't even move him for Pau Gasol let alone TT


CV is the most the Bucks would give up to get TT which is obviously not enough for you. So probably no dice on this one.

[Rerisen]

Bogut averages 13 points per game. I can't see Milwaukee ever being Bogut's team like Buck fans dream about while Redd is there. He is getting paid a ton of money to do one thing - take shots and score. It's hard to watch his game and see him ever taking on a diminished role.

Bogut is having a good January, but in December he failed to even reach 10 shot attempts in 50% of his games!

But who is going to take on Redd's contract?

Ah well, maybe they will get it sorted out, we have our own problems.

[RyGuy24]

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ugghh. terrible.

I'd be curious to know why.

Both were top ten lottery picks--Who cares?

Both are big men. --So?

CV is a more natural power forward who can score inside and out--We know he must be great on offense to negate his defensive liabilities, and so far in his career his FGA just about matches his PPG.
TT is a more 3/4 combo forward who can block shots and create steals

TT is a putrid offensive player--play him 30 minutes and he'll score 12ish points, and this is in his second year at an extremely young age. I wouldn't call it putrid. Plus in one year he's already dramatically improved his outside shot.

CV is a putrid defensive player
Both have attitude issues--no they don't

Both have motivation issues--and they are?

Both have intelligence issues--possibly, but both are still very young

[dougthonus]

Bogut is untouchable

We wouldn't even move him for Pau Gasol let alone TT

That's surprising given his attitude towards the Milwaukee franchise and the fact that Gasol is already much better than Bogut will ever be.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it represents complete idiocy on the part of your owners if they would be unwilling to do a Bogut / Gasol swap.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Bogut averages 13 points per game. I can't see Milwaukee ever being Bogut's team like Buck fans dream about while Redd is there. He is getting paid a ton of money to do one thing - take shots and score. It's hard to watch his game and see him ever taking on a diminished role.

Bogut is having a good January, but in December he failed to even reach 10 shot attempts in 50% of his games!

But who is going to take on Redd's contract?

Ah well, maybe they will get it sorted out, we have our own problems.

You don't watch Bucks games enough so I don't expect you to understand the shift in offensive philosophy that just happened while Redd sat out a few games.

Bogut is seeing the ball like he never has before. We are running our offense thru him. He is rewarding us by showing us why we picked him #1. We've been waiting for 3 years to see the Bogut we are seeing right now.

Redd is trying to "fit in" and we will see if he can. Otherwise he will be moved as this is is Boguts and Yis team moving forward.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Like many posters on here you have a lot of value placed in TT.

I would say you overvalue TT significantly.


Just like you would say we overvalue CV significantly.


Truth is, both have little value at this point in time.

They are in similar positions career wise as far as teams/expectations/playing time/production so I felt a swap of them would or could be beneficial to both teams and players.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Bogut is untouchable

We wouldn't even move him for Pau Gasol let alone TT

That's surprising given his attitude towards the Milwaukee franchise and the fact that Gasol is already much better than Bogut will ever be.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it represents complete idiocy on the part of your owners if they would be unwilling to do a Bogut / Gasol swap.

Bogut is 23...Pau is 27


There have been plenty of arguments that we should trade Bogut for Pau to pair him up with Redd as a Redd/Pau combo could probably make the playoffs.


I think we just feel Bogut will be our franchise center for the next decade and for how "good" Pau is, he's never been a winner. That says a lot about a player sometimes. Granted Bogut hasn't proven anything yet, but we feel very strongly about his future.

[DuckIII]

I think EastSideBucksFan makes a lot of good points here. Thanks for participating and giving us your perspective.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Bogut is 23...Pau is 27


There have been plenty of arguments that we should trade Bogut for Pau to pair him up with Redd as a Redd/Pau combo could probably make the playoffs.


I think we just feel Bogut will be our franchise center for the next decade and for how "good" Pau is, he's never been a winner. That says a lot about a player sometimes. Granted Bogut hasn't proven anything yet, but we feel very strongly about his future.

Was Pau not a "winner" when his team won 49 & 50 games? Did you see who were on those teams with Pau? Not exactly a team of all-stars.


FWIW - Bogut averaged 16&8 when Redd was out - with one stand out game. I'm not quite sure what 3 points more than his average means.

[Rerisen]

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Fair enough. But if the reins have been turned over to Bogut then it should be interesting to see how the team does going forward. Looking at the Bucks January record, It's hard to draw any conclusions because you have pretty much won exactly the games you should have won and lost the ones you should have lost.

Outside of the fact that Bogut's game (and where he was drafted) might make him running the show more appealing than Redd and his one dimensional game, it seems to me it only really matters whose team it is if they are actually winning more with Bogut running the offense vs Redd.

The results seem inconclusive so far.

[showtimesam]

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Was Pau not a "winner" when his team won 49 & 50 games? Did you see who were on those teams with Pau? Not exactly a team of all-stars.


FWIW - Bogut averaged 16&8 when Redd was out - with one stand out game. I'm not quite sure what 3 points more than his average means.

Boguts averagint nearly 20 ppg. in 2008 so far. He's finally getting the ball regularly and delivering.

The bulls have no one to make the bucks trade bogut for. Bogut should get more credit on here than he does, TT and Thabo for Bogut? thats pathetic.

However besides Yi and Bogut everyone is available.

[Sonny_D1]

He just turned 23 two months ago. He's 6 months younger than Thabo and only 18 months older than Thomas. And the difference between him and Thomas is that while Tyrus might learn to score, we already know that Bogut can.

And I consider it a bit premature to say that just-barely-turned-23 Bogut has hit his offensive ceiling.

I realize he just turned 23 but the age has nothing to do with me not liking this trade. What does matter is that Bogut is in his 3rd year, and has averaged 32mpg in his career. That's 6mpg more than TT and Sefolosha, COMBINED.

While I agree Bogut hasn

[tyrissius]

tyrus/kirk for mowill/sorry charlie

[EastSideBucksFan]

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I realize he just turned 23 but the age has nothing to do with me not liking this trade. What does matter is that Bogut is in his 3rd year, and has averaged 32mpg in his career. That's 6mpg more than TT and Sefolosha, COMBINED.

While I agree Bogut hasn

[EastSideBucksFan]

tyrus/kirk for mowill/sorry charlie

Bucks do this swap in a heartbeat.

Even with Kirk struggling this year.

[tyrissius]

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Bucks do this swap in a heartbeat.

Even with Kirk struggling this year.

yea, i just wanted to change the tone of what was going on. now lets add simmons for bigben