Hinrich Trade Rumors

[Clint Eastwood]

i still dont understand the thread or the thread title. but welcome?

[kyrv]

Does the fat kid love cake?

Misleading thread titles for the win!

Love the new sig. Let's hope the next coach agrees.

[girlygirl]

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Girly, I know your a KU fan (grad?), but the Bulls don't need a low 40% shooter, 15 ppg guy. They need a player that can create a shot for themselves and others. Kirk isn't that guy.

Neither is Gordon, Duhon or Sefolosha.

I'm not against trading Hinrich. I just don't think he's going anywhere this year, in part because of he's BYC.

[bullzman23]

More likely to move Gordon, if they trade one of these guys

Ok that came straight from your butt. I don't know who is more likely to be traded, but it is worth noting that Hinrich was involved in the Kobe and Hughes rumors.

[girlygirl]

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Ok that came straight from your butt. I don't know who is more likely to be traded, but it is worth noting that Hinrich was involved in the Kobe and Hughes rumors.

My opinion is obviously just that, my opinion. But as I say, Gordon is easier to trade becuse of his contract, as opposed to Kirk's BYC status. Personally, I really think neither one of them will be traded before the end of the season. But again -- that is just my opnion. I have no "inside" information.


Also:

Gordon was involved in the Kobe rumors as well. And the Hughes rumor came from someone on this board who cleamed to have "inside information"

Gordon has been mentioned in many more trade rumors since he's been on the Bulls than has Hinrich.

[bullzman23]

Gordon was involved in the Kobe rumors as well. And the Hughes rumor came from someone on this board who cleamed to have "inside information"

Gordon has been mentioned in many more trade rumors since he's been on the Bulls than has Hinrich.

Right, but the "big" rumor involved Hinrich and the "someone on this board" is clearly someone who in fact does have an inside source.

Also, by the offseason Hinrich will be easier to trade. I'm not sure of many teams who want to trade for a guy who is going to be a free-agent. If Gordon signs an extension he'll be a PP player and hard to trade.

Also, Gordon's trade value is so low. I can't see there being any trade that would be worthwhile for the Bulls.

[step]

It seems that paying Hinrich 11.25 per for the next 5 is going to hurt Chi Moneywise

We're aren't paying him that much for the next 5 years, his salary decreases every year thankfully.

[BigUps]

Neither is Gordon, Duhon or Sefolosha.

I' m not against trading Hinrich. I just don't think he's going anywhere this year, in part because of he's BYC.

Gordon's career average is 18 ppg. He does one thing well, score. In fact, if he was in a different offense with a better sidekick I think he could average close to 24 ppg (he averaged 21.4 last year). IMO, you don't trade a scorer or a player that excels at anything and keep a player that is mediocre at everything.

I feel a tall SG that can handle the ball, shoot and finish at the rim (you know, the prototypical SG in the NBA) is one of the things we need and could push Gordon towards that 24 ppg.

However, th damn CBA and its ridiculous BYC rule makes it nearly impossible to deal Hinrich. I agree with that. But in a perfect CBA world, I deal Hinrich over Gordon every day of the week.

[Biggame 33]

I don't think Kirk goes. I betcha Pax sits tight unless someone offers up to take Ben Wallace off our hands (Pax better be calling Western Conference contenders). Duhon isn't coming back next year, esp. with Skiles not there supporting him. One of Deng or Gordon is gone by this offseason or the following year. Truthfully, Pax should try to see if he can move Deng for Iguodala (a disgruntled SF in Philly with their lack luster play). How about Deng + Duhon for Iggy and a spare part.

I know we all love Deng. But one thing he lacks that we need is a guy taking the ball to the bucket, strong enough to draw the fouls or connect on the shot. Deng just doesn't seem to have it in IMO. I know Philly won't do the deal straight up, but I'm sure if you give them a PG in Duhon, they might bite. We can snag up Andre Barrett if we have to. Give Thabo his minutes now. Let him develop, ditto for Tyrus, Noah, and Gray. The season's a wash.

I wouldnt trade Deng for Igudola thats a bad move.
Deng is better than Iggy any day and will get better.
If your going to trade Deng get someone back like Amare in phoenix.
Use Deng in a package to get a superstar not a second tier player similar to himself.

[coldfish]

I would like to see how the team would do over a 10 game stretch with only Thabo, Hinrich and Gordon getting playing time. Thabo, when playing well, fixes a lot of problems and may look both Gordon and Hinrich look better.

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If that doesn't work, I see both Gordon and Hinrich going. I have always looked at them as a package combo. Hinrich's old skill set of handling the ball and defending 2's was maximized playing next to Gordon. Without Gordon's "special needs", Hinrich's value goes through the floor.

Next to a prototypical 2G, Hinrich's lack of PG instincts and lesser defense on quick guards become his primary attributes.

[DuckIII]

I would like to see how the team would do over a 10 game stretch with only Thabo, Hinrich and Gordon getting playing time.

When a pig flies through a frozen hell. God damn, I'm pissed off today.

[Red Larrivee]

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Right, but the "big" rumor involved Hinrich and the "someone on this board" is clearly someone who in fact does have an inside source.

Also, by the offseason Hinrich will be easier to trade. I'm not sure of many teams who want to trade for a guy who is going to be a free-agent. If Gordon signs an extension he'll be a PP player and hard to trade.

Also, Gordon's trade value is so low. I can't see there being any trade that would be worthwhile for the Bulls.

Gordon's value really isn't low at all. Especially when he's averaging near 23 a game since Boylan took over.

[BR0D1E86]

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Gordon's value really isn't low at all. Especially when he's averaging near 23 a game since Boylan took over.

It's not high, the games since Boylan's took over haven't helped either. He was as hot as hot can be for a few games then completely miserable for a few.

Couple that with what is perceived to be unrealistic contract demands and he doesn't carry a ton of value.

[girlygirl]

Does ANYONE on the team carry a lot of trade value right now? Maybe only Joe Smith... (several playoff-bound teams could likely use a vet PF who can shoot and rebound)

[Rerisen]

Does ANYONE on the team carry a lot of trade value right now? Maybe only Joe Smith... (several playoff-bound teams could likely use a vet PF who can shoot and rebound)

We need to look to move Joe. He is not in the team's long term plans. Right now there is no point to him playing 30+ minutes a night. Let the young guys get some burn and if we lose more in the process it can only help our draft position. The sooner Boylan and Pax realize this team is going nowhere this year, the better.

[Tommy Udo 6]

I really dont want to trade Joe, but I would do this:


Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to L.A. Lakers and Chicago being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Chicago had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #4421946


L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.3 ppg, -0.9 rpg, and -1.1 apg.

Incoming Players
Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
10.8 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.2 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.6 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 32.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Kwame Brown
6-11 PF / C from Glynn Academy (HS)
5.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.7 minutes
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 36.7 minutes

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +3.3 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +1.1 apg.

Incoming Players
Kwame Brown
6-11 PF / C from Glynn Academy (HS)
5.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.7 minutes
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 36.7 minutes

Outgoing Players
Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
10.8 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.2 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.6 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 32.5 minutes

[Sonny_D1]

No way LA trades Odom with Bynum being down. He's their only other scoring option right now and all the Lakers would be doing is replacing him with Smith. Wallace really brings nothing besides a $30m invoice.

I tell you what I would do though is trade Joe for Crittenton/filler/#1 pick. I know the #1 might not be very good, but I think Critt has the potential to be a stud in this league and we mine as well get what we can for Joe. LA could certainly use him.

[theanimal23]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any trade rumors in this thread?

[girlygirl]

That's because there aren't any right now...

[Neusch23]

I believe Wallace in Phil's system, he could be a d player of the year again....As long as he buys into phil's voodoo.